I must commend you on your handling of this matter. You were very professional, and kept things very tidy...no confusion to your findings at all! I was vaguely familiar with this situation, but was more familiar with the legitimate theft over at the Polish site. Once again great job, and thanks for standing behind all modders, screen-shooters and their work.
When I was still playing Oblivion, the Loading screens were a must have mod for me. And Gal, always, maintained an very professional appearance where his mod was concerned. This is why I was a bit confused when the whole deal hit the fan.
And I know that Floy is a professional too, when it comes to modding. Maybe the theft of Floys pics over at the Polish site sparked this all somehow! Or just a misunderstanding!
I'm just glad that things are set straight; at least from the Permission side of things!
A case was opened at TESNexus regarding a theft accusation of Floydian's images in Galahaut's mod(s) called Atmospheric Dark UI Loading Screens. Research has shown that Galahaut does in fact have permission to include screenshots by Floydian prior to June 5, 2008. The latest image included is dated April 13, 2008 and no action will be taken against Galahaut. Any further accusations about this subject will not be tolerated. According to our rules, this matter is closed and not up for public debate.
Floydian contacted Galahaut on Aug 27, 2008 and asked that all his images be purged from his mod. Galahaut refused because work was already performed based on permissions already given. Floydian then requested that no further work be done including his images. Galahaut agreed that he would no longer add additional images and would delete the screenshots he had to ensure new images by Floydian would not be added in his mods. Galahaut released an update to his mod on Sept 28, 2008 that was in the works for some time but it did not matter to Floydian that Galahaut included nothing new of Floydians that was not already in the original mod. At this point, Floydian began a slander campaign along with friends that could post where he could not rather than letting TESNexus administrators handle the report.
The staff at TESNexus will stand by any author (banned or otherwise) that has not given their permission for their work to be used in other mods but will not support a decision by an author to retroactively revoke permissions already given. Imagine if Bethesda were given permission by a third-party vendor to include content in Oblivion and then they withdraw permission for use in Oblivion after it was released demanding a recall of the product. This would not happen unless there was an epic breach of contract. Similarly, the vendor cannot withdraw their permission if the game is updated, patched, or add-ons are made available for the game that build on the original work.
Evidence Section
January 20, 2007 Request and Permission Granted
From: Galahaut To: Floydian
I'm currently working on a collection of scenic/atmospheric loading screens for Oblivion, and I was wondering if I could use your pictures. I'm currently making them in DarkUI style, since that is what I currently use, but I may eventually redo the mod in vanilla style. I have about 50 of my own shots completed so far, but I could definitely use a lot more to speed the process up.
...use all of your publicly posted screenshots? (Thanks!) ...use some of them? (Thanks! Which ones can I or can't I use?) ...use none of them? (That's fine, but why not?)
You would, obviously, receive credit for your shots.
I would only currently be interested in "scenic" shots or "atmospheric" shots, not action shots, "pure" character shots, etc. Basically, screenshots where the focus is on the environment, not the character.
Thanks in advance (again), ~Galahaut
From: Floydian To: Galahaut Date: Jan 20 2007, 11:49 AM
Feel free to use what ones you want.
May 13, 2008 Clarification Request and Permission Granted
From: Galahaut To: Floydian
Hello,
Recently an "issue" came up in regards to the permissions to use your screenshots. Ismelda Lasombra released a set of retextures of the loading screens I created to match Luchaire's new DarNified UI recolors. I granted Ismelda permission to do so, but someone brought up that permission should be asked of my contributors as well.
I assume you would have no problem with Ismelda's work, but I'm just checking to make sure. I would also like to take this opportunity to clarify your permissions for any such future issues.
Please answer the following questions.
1) Can Ismelda release retextures of my loading screens based on your screenshots? 2) Can anyone else do the same? 3) Can anyone further alter your screenshots that I have used in my loading screens in addition to whatever alterations I have already made?
Thank you for your time and continued amazing screenshots. :goodjob:
From: Floydian To: Galahaut Date: May 13 2008, 02:33 PM
Is it okay if I use any of the screenshots you posted of Kvatch Reclaimed (is that the name?). I know (err, I think?) that it's still a WIP, so I wasn't sure if it would be better to wait until it is released.
Is it okay if I use screenshots you posted on Image Share? I'm not sure if they're in your web gallery (or elsewhere) too, but until recently, of course, I had been downloading your latest environmental shots from there.
Finally, just want to make sure you haven't changed your mind on any permissions issues (me using your shots, others being able to retexture my screens, anything else you can think of, etc.)
Thanks again, ~Galahaut
From: Floydian To: Galahaut Date: Jun 4 2008, 08:04 AM
Feel free to use any of the Kvatch ones if you think they look nice enough, permissions still the same (just give credit). Imageshare? If you are referring to Nexus I've quit there and removed all my images from there and deleted my accounts. My main album is linked in my sig which has all my screenshots in it plus there's a link to a smaller page with a collection of favorite shots.
Regards
Files in the SI mod that contain Floydian's screenshots along with original Datetime stamps
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When I was still playing Oblivion, the Loading screens were a must have mod for me.
And Gal, always, maintained an very professional appearance where his mod was concerned. This is why I was a bit confused when the whole deal hit the fan.
And I know that Floy is a professional too, when it comes to modding. Maybe the theft of Floys pics over at the Polish site sparked this all somehow! Or just a misunderstanding!
I'm just glad that things are set straight; at least from the Permission side of things!
Good work Hamms!
Cheers!
A case was opened at TESNexus regarding a theft accusation of Floydian's images in Galahaut's mod(s) called Atmospheric Dark UI Loading Screens. Research has shown that Galahaut does in fact have permission to include screenshots by Floydian prior to June 5, 2008. The latest image included is dated April 13, 2008 and no action will be taken against Galahaut. Any further accusations about this subject will not be tolerated. According to our rules, this matter is closed and not up for public debate.
Floydian contacted Galahaut on Aug 27, 2008 and asked that all his images be purged from his mod. Galahaut refused because work was already performed based on permissions already given. Floydian then requested that no further work be done including his images. Galahaut agreed that he would no longer add additional images and would delete the screenshots he had to ensure new images by Floydian would not be added in his mods. Galahaut released an update to his mod on Sept 28, 2008 that was in the works for some time but it did not matter to Floydian that Galahaut included nothing new of Floydians that was not already in the original mod. At this point, Floydian began a slander campaign along with friends that could post where he could not rather than letting TESNexus administrators handle the report.
The staff at TESNexus will stand by any author (banned or otherwise) that has not given their permission for their work to be used in other mods but will not support a decision by an author to retroactively revoke permissions already given. Imagine if Bethesda were given permission by a third-party vendor to include content in Oblivion and then they withdraw permission for use in Oblivion after it was released demanding a recall of the product. This would not happen unless there was an epic breach of contract. Similarly, the vendor cannot withdraw their permission if the game is updated, patched, or add-ons are made available for the game that build on the original work.
Evidence Section
January 20, 2007 Request and Permission Granted
From: Galahaut
To: Floydian
From: Floydian
To: Galahaut
Date: Jan 20 2007, 11:49 AM
May 13, 2008 Clarification Request and Permission Granted
From: Galahaut
To: Floydian
From: Floydian
To: Galahaut
Date: May 13 2008, 02:33 PM
June 4, 2008 Request and Permission Granted
From: Galahaut
To: Floydian
From: Floydian
To: Galahaut
Date: Jun 4 2008, 08:04 AM
Files in the SI mod that contain Floydian's screenshots along with original Datetime stamps
Fixed now.
Thread cleanup.
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