Hey great mod, really like how this works with your other mods to help the difficulty progression make a lot more sense. Been testing my load order recently and have found a few things that are worth mentioning:
1. Dagoth Gilvoth, Odros, Tureynul, Uthol & Vemyn have all had their speed multiplied by 10 (from 4 to 40), this makes them move really, really fast. (Present in both the full & modular versions)
2. There is a soft incompatibility with the popular Sixth House mod 'The Tribe Unmourned' by von djangos: loading your mod after it makes it so none of the unique voice lines show up and loading yours before it overwrites all your rebalance changes. Just a warning for anyone looking for Sixth House mods to use.
1. intentional, you can kite them forever without a speed increase 2. as a general rule if you plan on joining the 6th house don't use this mod, there's no sense in making them harder if you're going to be one of them :P
I'd recommend setting their Speed to 9 or 10. Ash Vampires have a strange reaction to Speed increase, with 9 being akin to around 100 for the player, unlike other creatures. That way they're still fast, but not zipping around at the speed of sound and walking into walls during their idle wandering.
As for compatibility with TTU: just use an object-merger. Merging is a must-have for any mod list.
1. SpaceDevo is right, ash vampires should have their speed set between 1-10. They move at the speed of light when at a speed of 40. 2. Managed to get Tribe Unmourned compatible in the end by removing the creature edits from it using TESAME and merging the scripts into your mod. Doesn't allow you to join the Sixth House as far as I'm aware, it just fleshes out dialogue for them.
For additional content and compatibility I recommend using this mod with <a href="https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45165">The Rise of the Tribe Unmourned</a>
Ok thanks, I'm at the begining coming back to Morrowind after few years. I plan to increase difficulty setting while levelling my car, will this affect also your mod making it even harder ?
This looks fantastic! I intend to use this on future full playthroughs.
On my current playthrough, I'm literally in the middle of finishing the main quest - I've already gotten Sunder and Keening, and all I have left is Tureynulal and Dagoth Ur. Would installing the mod now cause me problems because I've already done most of it? Also, what difficulty slider would you recommend (Against the vanilla 6th house at the moment I have difficulty at 100 and my level 46 mage has not had any trouble.) I don't want to keep it at 100 though if this mod makes Dagoth Ur really hard even on normal mode.
If there wouldn't be any technical problems with installing the mod now (bugs/crashes etc.) I might in the future just install this mod right before the final quest - I don't really think every single ash creature ought to be super powerful (ash zombies and slaves being the lowest on the totem pole I think ought to be fairly weak).
Also, is this mod compatible with MCA and Divine Dagoths? I have both installed. I've noticed the new 6th House baddies added by MCA (dreamer champions and sharpshooters specifically) are actually quite tough at 100 difficulty.
Also, is this mod compatible with MCA and Divine Dagoths?
As far as I know, MCA and BtSH don't touch any of the same objects, since the former mostly just adds new content instead of tweaking vanilla creatures. As for Divine Dagoths, you just have to load it after this mod and use an object merger like TES3Merge to get both the stat changes and new models.
Has anyone tried Darknut's GDR with the npc rebalance loader below/after? I'd imagine any new npcs added by GDR will have lower stats than the ones touched by this mod
To get this and DNGDR to work together, you'll definitely need to use an object-merger. For TESTool, this plugin would need to have Sunder removed from Dagoth Vemyn to preserve DNGDR's relocation of it during the merge process.
As for TES3Merge, you can probably get the two mods to work as they are if you load this mod before DNGDR. That way DNGDR's creature inventories will overwrite those of BtSH, but you'll still (hopefully) get this mod's stat changes since DNGDR doesn't seem to edit those.
Greetings! Two quick questions, please: If I am interested in using the stat and spells module of your mod do you forsee any issues with installing the plugin midway through a playthrough? I'd like the option to test the new values with my load order when I progress far enough into the main quest. Do you forsee any save compatibility issues with your upcoming 2.0 release of this mod? i.e new game for the new version
Would it be possible to incorporate the Ash Vampire fix from Morrowind Patch Project into this mod? It lowers their Fight to 50 from 90, so the player can talk to them before fight (each of these guys has unique dialogue).
EDIT: Another thing I've noticed is that the new .esp has been renamed, so it's better to be careful when installing the new version, delete the old file and rename the new one manually. Otherwise Wrye won't redate it correctly.
it should be noted odros' dialogue makes him having keening on his person, as in this mod, make no sense, seeing as he refers to it being "well hidden"
This is great and I have been waiting for this but is this compatible with Darknut's GDR? Will 2.0 be compatible as well alongside Endusal and Tureynulal Redone?
My only concern with this mod is how it might make the Main Quest have weird difficulty spikes - Illunibi might now be harder to deal with than anything else up until you attack Red Mountain. Maybe some of the content for the 4th and 5th trials should also get a boost?
Or, maybe Illunibi should be made slightly easier than every other 6th House Base, given the previous quest merely deals with random undead.
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1. Dagoth Gilvoth, Odros, Tureynul, Uthol & Vemyn have all had their speed multiplied by 10 (from 4 to 40), this makes them move really, really fast. (Present in both the full & modular versions)
2. There is a soft incompatibility with the popular Sixth House mod 'The Tribe Unmourned' by von djangos: loading your mod after it makes it so none of the unique voice lines show up and loading yours before it overwrites all your rebalance changes. Just a warning for anyone looking for Sixth House mods to use.
2. as a general rule if you plan on joining the 6th house don't use this mod, there's no sense in making them harder if you're going to be one of them :P
As for compatibility with TTU: just use an object-merger. Merging is a must-have for any mod list.
2. Managed to get Tribe Unmourned compatible in the end by removing the creature edits from it using TESAME and merging the scripts into your mod. Doesn't allow you to join the Sixth House as far as I'm aware, it just fleshes out dialogue for them.
<a href="https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45165">The Rise of the Tribe Unmourned</a>
Looking forward to v2.0
On my current playthrough, I'm literally in the middle of finishing the main quest - I've already gotten Sunder and Keening, and all I have left is Tureynulal and Dagoth Ur. Would installing the mod now cause me problems because I've already done most of it? Also, what difficulty slider would you recommend (Against the vanilla 6th house at the moment I have difficulty at 100 and my level 46 mage has not had any trouble.) I don't want to keep it at 100 though if this mod makes Dagoth Ur really hard even on normal mode.
If there wouldn't be any technical problems with installing the mod now (bugs/crashes etc.) I might in the future just install this mod right before the final quest - I don't really think every single ash creature ought to be super powerful (ash zombies and slaves being the lowest on the totem pole I think ought to be fairly weak).
Also, is this mod compatible with MCA and Divine Dagoths? I have both installed. I've noticed the new 6th House baddies added by MCA (dreamer champions and sharpshooters specifically) are actually quite tough at 100 difficulty.
As for TES3Merge, you can probably get the two mods to work as they are if you load this mod before DNGDR. That way DNGDR's creature inventories will overwrite those of BtSH, but you'll still (hopefully) get this mod's stat changes since DNGDR doesn't seem to edit those.
If I am interested in using the stat and spells module of your mod do you forsee any issues with installing the plugin midway through a playthrough? I'd like the option to test the new values with my load order when I progress far enough into the main quest.
Do you forsee any save compatibility issues with your upcoming 2.0 release of this mod? i.e new game for the new version
EDIT: Another thing I've noticed is that the new .esp has been renamed, so it's better to be careful when installing the new version, delete the old file and rename the new one manually. Otherwise Wrye won't redate it correctly.
Just posting to say that I 2nd this change request. It would make a great change that would fit in with the mod.
thanks
2.0 will explicitly be compatible alongside those mods, theyre fantastic.
Or, maybe Illunibi should be made slightly easier than every other 6th House Base, given the previous quest merely deals with random undead.