Thank you for your help testing the latest version. 1.4 has Frostfall compatibility baked-in, and you can use it even if you don't have Frostfall installed. Cheers
I really love your houses, you have your own style and ability to make your home cozy and comfortable. I really hope that someday a similar hut will appear not far from the Skaal village. Thank you ♥
Again, if it's "free" (no quest/payment/building process) then it's not "lore-friendly"
EDIT: I understand my first comment is ambiguous and sounds rude, so let me re-phrase it: generally, player homes tagged as "lore-friendly" but also "fair and balanced" are player homes that could have been added by the developers themselves. TES developers wouldn't have given to the players a free house like this. It's totally okay and nice to make this kind of mods, but doesn't reflect a fair and balanced Skyrim experience to me. Please also understand this is just my opinion, and some people favor "imagination" as the solution for everything. However, as a perfectionist in my own creations, I wouldn't solve the issues of my own creations with "imagination". This doesn't work, let's just pretend it does ? So yep, I'd remove at least the tag "fair and balanced", but it's JUST my opinion, and I didn't want to offend anyone by giving it. As a creator myself, I generally do not take criticism and negative feedback with so much emotion as you guys did, because I question my own decisions using people's feedback, even when that it's negative ! I can see you guys' reaction was very emotional, with little argumentation, and for some, was just a bunch of insults and judgemental criticism on the person I am. You should focus on arguments rather than insults, it is much more intelligent.
I do recognize my first comment was not well-written, and was probably written too quickly too. As a self-criticism, it was probably written in an unintelligent manner too, and could have been phrased in a much better and friendly way. Therefore, I understand people might react with emotion to that. However, you guys should keep your temper... Negative feedback must never be answered with insults. I didn't insult anyone in my comment above.
Have a great day, thanks for your work and efforts on making those amazing mods. Cheers
the internet, I think, has ruined the imagination of most people, especially younger generations. Have you seen the complaints of the average child on here?
I'm sorry if my comment seemed rude, it was not my intention. It's just generally not "fair and balanced" and "lore-friendly" when the home is just "free by default" without any kind of logical grinding or quest. I can understand the argument of saying that "lore-friendly" can be okay with a bit of imagination ! However, fair-and-balanced mods are mods that take inspiration from the vanilla game experience, and generally in the vanilla game, you cannot own a home for free at the start of the game.
So, to answer you all: - I do not pretend to be smarter than any of you, and I am sorry if you felt attacked and hurt in your feelings, which wasn't my original intention - "just roleplay" can be acceptable for "lore-friendly" but not really for a "fair-and-balanced" playthrough. Also, the "roleplay" part could be added by the modder himself, which makes it even better imo ! - "The internet has ruined the imagination of most people especially younger generations" feels really useless. Are you really complaining about other people complaining ? And are you judging a WHOLE generation without any distincition ? It is kind of a lack of imagination, don't you think ? :') In the end, I gave an opinion, and you reacted with your emotions, by insulting my whole presumed generation, which is reminescent of what children do. Instead of going for the arguments, you go for the insults. This is not the behavior of an adult person. Grow up. - "Collect 8k gold" Yeah I know but it's better when included inside, I understand the argument tho. I'd think of learning how to patch it, I can maybe provide a public patch to make this player home purchasable, or even better simply obtainable through a small quest. That house looks so great and cosy, I really would like to use it on my playthrough.
you cannot own a home for free at the start of the game
This is also not exactly true. Here is a list of locations that do not respawn, meaning they could theoretically be used as ad-hoc player homes. Many of them are dungeons, so you'd need to clear them first, but locations like Angi's Camp or Anise's Hut are fairly in line with this mod. Another note is that back in Morrowind literally *any* house could be a free player home. In many cases it is certainly more immersive to have an acquisition quest or purchase (which is something I did for Old Gate Mill) but that wouldn't make sense for this location.
If you've ever been in the woods you may have come across old semi-abandoned wood and branch lean-tos made by bushcrafters. There's no acquisition quest or payment you need to do IRL to sleep under those. The same for remote bothies in Scotland and Scandinavia.
This is a remote shelter built by an unknown individual for the purposes of survival, who seems to have disappeared, so there is no reasonable possibility of purchase or acquisition via quest. It is fair and balanced in the sense that there are no overpowered treasures inside, and even though it is technically a 'free house', it's also in the middle of f*#@ing nowhere, isn't near to any facilities or settlements, and is a bit inconvenient to get to. So that balances it out. All by design of course.
You're right, such shacks and little abandoned locations totally make sense lore-wise. Very immersive. And I think that's the main mistake I've made in my initial post.
However, in terms of "fair & balanced", developers didn't intend you to live in those places you quoted earlier. There is generally no indication you can live there, there is no indication in the vanilla game that containers there are safe or not. Also, beds in those places are generally unowned, which clearly shows they were not intended originally to let you live there. The reason behind it is that Bethesda wants your first home (usually Breezehome) to feel like an accomplishment. Getting a home for free kind of removes the point of even buying Breezhome at all, if you know what I mean ? A fair and balanced player home would be, to me, a house that feels relevant in comparison to the original Bethesda housing balance.
I wish you to have a great day. Thanks again for your kind approach, and I hope you forgive me for my initial ambiguous approach.
The difference is that Breezehome is customizable, can house an adopted child, has more storage, and is right in the middle of the most convenient location in the game...
As ak0d said, in the Highlands of Scotland (and on islands like Skye, where I live) the landscape is littered with abandoned and collapsing buildings. Given that land ownership in Skyrim is probably a somewhat more amorphous concept than the trespass laws that prevail here, having a tiny little hovel built of mud and sticks, half buried in a snowdrift, be available for free to the player is perfectly fair, balanced and lore-friendly.
If it was a mansion with a gallery, armoury, 4 bedrooms, all crafting stations and a room full of mannequins, then I could understand your criticism. But just look at this place - it's a bundle of sticks in the middle of a frozen wasteland. Apart from anything else, who would you buy it from?
If anything, if you want to work for it, have the player gather the materials and literally build it yourself. I'm sure it could be done with a similar mechanic to Campfire.
Dont use this if you use Song of the Green (Auri follower). For some reason it entirely and permanently fucks up her pathing AI when you enter the edited world cell and the inside of the hut. She'll stop following, lag miles behind, or just entirely start walking home for some reason. it has happened on every new game I've started with both installed.
If you don't mind me asking, should I be ok as long as I never take her inside? This is a great starter home for my current playthrough, but I do intend on meeting up with Auri later on.
This is the home that fits my I-have-to-isolate-myself-to-not-hurt-people werewolf player the best. Other huts are more geared to mages and druids... thanks!
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1.4 has Frostfall compatibility baked-in, and you can use it even if you don't have Frostfall installed.
Cheers
I've got this and your clever man's abode.
I'll be enjoying resting between these.
EDIT: I understand my first comment is ambiguous and sounds rude, so let me re-phrase it: generally, player homes tagged as "lore-friendly" but also "fair and balanced" are player homes that could have been added by the developers themselves. TES developers wouldn't have given to the players a free house like this. It's totally okay and nice to make this kind of mods, but doesn't reflect a fair and balanced Skyrim experience to me. Please also understand this is just my opinion, and some people favor "imagination" as the solution for everything. However, as a perfectionist in my own creations, I wouldn't solve the issues of my own creations with "imagination". This doesn't work, let's just pretend it does ? So yep, I'd remove at least the tag "fair and balanced", but it's JUST my opinion, and I didn't want to offend anyone by giving it. As a creator myself, I generally do not take criticism and negative feedback with so much emotion as you guys did, because I question my own decisions using people's feedback, even when that it's negative ! I can see you guys' reaction was very emotional, with little argumentation, and for some, was just a bunch of insults and judgemental criticism on the person I am. You should focus on arguments rather than insults, it is much more intelligent.
I do recognize my first comment was not well-written, and was probably written too quickly too. As a self-criticism, it was probably written in an unintelligent manner too, and could have been phrased in a much better and friendly way. Therefore, I understand people might react with emotion to that. However, you guys should keep your temper... Negative feedback must never be answered with insults. I didn't insult anyone in my comment above.
Have a great day, thanks for your work and efforts on making those amazing mods. Cheers
So, to answer you all:
- I do not pretend to be smarter than any of you, and I am sorry if you felt attacked and hurt in your feelings, which wasn't my original intention
- "just roleplay" can be acceptable for "lore-friendly" but not really for a "fair-and-balanced" playthrough. Also, the "roleplay" part could be added by the modder himself, which makes it even better imo !
- "The internet has ruined the imagination of most people especially younger generations" feels really useless. Are you really complaining about other people complaining ? And are you judging a WHOLE generation without any distincition ? It is kind of a lack of imagination, don't you think ? :') In the end, I gave an opinion, and you reacted with your emotions, by insulting my whole presumed generation, which is reminescent of what children do. Instead of going for the arguments, you go for the insults. This is not the behavior of an adult person. Grow up.
- "Collect 8k gold" Yeah I know but it's better when included inside, I understand the argument tho. I'd think of learning how to patch it, I can maybe provide a public patch to make this player home purchasable, or even better simply obtainable through a small quest. That house looks so great and cosy, I really would like to use it on my playthrough.
This is also not exactly true. Here is a list of locations that do not respawn, meaning they could theoretically be used as ad-hoc player homes. Many of them are dungeons, so you'd need to clear them first, but locations like Angi's Camp or Anise's Hut are fairly in line with this mod. Another note is that back in Morrowind literally *any* house could be a free player home. In many cases it is certainly more immersive to have an acquisition quest or purchase (which is something I did for Old Gate Mill) but that wouldn't make sense for this location.
If you've ever been in the woods you may have come across old semi-abandoned wood and branch lean-tos made by bushcrafters. There's no acquisition quest or payment you need to do IRL to sleep under those. The same for remote bothies in Scotland and Scandinavia.
This is a remote shelter built by an unknown individual for the purposes of survival, who seems to have disappeared, so there is no reasonable possibility of purchase or acquisition via quest. It is fair and balanced in the sense that there are no overpowered treasures inside, and even though it is technically a 'free house', it's also in the middle of f*#@ing nowhere, isn't near to any facilities or settlements, and is a bit inconvenient to get to. So that balances it out. All by design of course.
You're right, such shacks and little abandoned locations totally make sense lore-wise. Very immersive. And I think that's the main mistake I've made in my initial post.
However, in terms of "fair & balanced", developers didn't intend you to live in those places you quoted earlier. There is generally no indication you can live there, there is no indication in the vanilla game that containers there are safe or not. Also, beds in those places are generally unowned, which clearly shows they were not intended originally to let you live there. The reason behind it is that Bethesda wants your first home (usually Breezehome) to feel like an accomplishment. Getting a home for free kind of removes the point of even buying Breezhome at all, if you know what I mean ? A fair and balanced player home would be, to me, a house that feels relevant in comparison to the original Bethesda housing balance.
I wish you to have a great day. Thanks again for your kind approach, and I hope you forgive me for my initial ambiguous approach.
Cheers
If it was a mansion with a gallery, armoury, 4 bedrooms, all crafting stations and a room full of mannequins, then I could understand your criticism.
But just look at this place - it's a bundle of sticks in the middle of a frozen wasteland. Apart from anything else, who would you buy it from?
If anything, if you want to work for it, have the player gather the materials and literally build it yourself. I'm sure it could be done with a similar mechanic to Campfire.