This version is mostly a bug fix. Blackface, Blood on the ice, gift giving, etc. There have been multiple bugs reported and I thank some of the mod users for their work in fixing it on their own. I had to incorporate some of their fixes into mine since I didn't know how to do them, so HUGE shout out to Glanzer and ntBlood for doing some of the work for me.
Would love testing and feedback on the issues. I am working on version 4.5 using this cleaned version which will have more features you have requested (Giving the guild back to Brynjolf, quest order, mod compatibilities, etc.)
This new feature is based on the incredible mod, Freedom for Nightingales. Assets used with permission from the mod author!
I have also implemented several bug fixes to hopefully fix some of the issues, including dialogue not showing up, etc.
That being said, as some of you have pointed out, you need to do things in order! I don't know how to fix it to where if you take items ahead of time it won't break the quest. Just follow the questline as it comes to you.
You can get your soul back from Nocturnal now! All you have to do is finish the main TG questline, then once you've become Guild Master, go back to Nocturnal and make her a deal. You will need to have a Dragon Soul available for this option to work as you will exchange one for your soul!
I have also implemented a way to turn off the ability to give gold. You can stop this by speaking to Brynjolf a few quests into the game.
NOTE: When first approaching Brynjolf, make sure to ask "Why are we doing this to Brand-Shei" if you want the more moral option. Once he gives you an answer, then you can say "okay lets get this started" (but only do that when you are outside at the proper time!.
As far as some of the other issues with Honor Among Thieves, I am still working on a few things with that quest. But to prevent you from having issues, here are some essential tips:
For HONOR AMONG THIEVES quest to make sure it goes well, here are some essential tips: 1. Do not install after you have already started the Thieves Guild Quest Line. This apparently makes the new quest buggy. 2. Don't steal or take stuff in Riften unless someone tells you to as part of a quest. Again, Do not pick up the quest items before you have the quest! a. For example, the mod author says if you get the bag of gems in Maven’s house before you have the quest that tell you to, it messes up the quest 3. TALK TO BOTH DELVIN AND VEX BEFORE TAKING ANY JOBS, AND BEFORE READING ANY BOOKS IN THE THIEVES GUILD & The Ragged Flagon! 4. AFTER talking to Delvin and Vex, read the required books and notes in the Thieves Guild--one on the bar, one to the left of the bar, and one on Mercer's desk. 5. Keep watch on your Thieves Guild quest objectives: a. Do them logically in order and b. follow what they say. 6. Do everything you can before becoming Guild master. a. This means doing everything up to and including getting the dirt on a certain someone and speaking to Delvin about it. Once you get the quest log that says "wait for the right time", you can proceed as normal with Thieves Guild Questline 7. Once you become Guild master, go back to Delvin and talk to him. It's the same line of dialogue at first, but new options will appear and you can advance! 8. You will get the option to return to Nocturnal and make her a deal after you have become Guild Master! a. PS For proper immersion, I’d strongly advise waiting to get your soul back until after you find out that you are the Dragonborn 9. Note: It does NOT matter if you side with the Imperials. You can still bring Maven to heel. The dialogue works fine either way.
Bonus Tip: Save your game OFTEN. Particularly before doing anything quest related. Also, you may want to save the game before you speak to each person in the guild. This will all you to go back in case something doesn't work, you screwed something up, or made a wrong dialog choice.
I think this broke the becoming the guild master part for me. I did all 4 special quests and it hasn't triggered them to make me the guild master. And yes. Mercer is dead. Edit: Might have to do with a mod I have where I can reject becoming a Nightingale and made Karliah return the key. She never showed up either so I had to use console command. Oh well. Next time I'll just accept becoming one and then getting my soul back.
When you say "Do everything you can before becoming Guild master.", does that mean I must do all of Vex and Delvin quest before becoming guild master or does it mean that once I become guild master I can not go back and do those quest.
In other words, can I skip Vex and Delvin quest without breaking the main quest with this mod?
I'm using this mod and Thieves Guild Requirements SE. I've met the requirement for the recruitment quest but Brynjolf still just treats me like just another fool in the market. He wont try to recruit me. I think it's because I have both mods.
In this modes description it says NOW FULLY COMPATIBLE THIEVES GUILD REQUIREMENTS! followed by a console command and some variables. Do I need to set some of those variable to make these mods work together?
Hey, installed the mod before i joined the thieves guild and started the honor among thieves quest. I talked to vex and delvin before reading the books, then read the books, got the piece of paper asking me to give bolli his gems back, got the gem bag, tried to give them to bolli, no luck. I proceeded with the thieves guild questline and am now guildmaster, but i still cant give the gems to bolli. I also have an objective for HAT saying, "talk to brynjolf" but no new dialogue options come up when i talk to him.
Hay everyone. I'm trying to "Do everything you can before becoming Guild master" so I'm work through some of Vex quest. I need to steal from Nepos's House and the Treasury. Both seem impossible because all the people are there, awake, and active 24hr a day. Has anyone done theses guest? If so how do you do them without killing everyone in the house?
In that case you'd better use the console command "tdetect" or invisibility potions if you don't want to cheat.If you can get boots with the "muffle" enchantment even better.
I need help to get the correct walkthrough; 1 question.
1] Focus guild jobs solely on the RICH homes and businesses. -- Ask Vex or Delvin to get the jobs ? Same as Vanilla ? I mean I cannot see any dialogue change.
2] No Stone Unturned / The Litany of Larceny -- I want my character keep good guy but some item cannot pick up free. Example) The Honningbrew Decanter, The East Empire Shipping Map, and The Dwemer Puzzle Cube.
Can anybody post the questid, that would be very helpful :) I found the id, give in the console "MordQuestGoodThief" without bracket, to find out how far you are in the quest, type again without bracket "getstage MordQuestGoodThief", in my case it was 190, that means I was nearly at the end, when you type "setstage MordQuestGoodThief 200", you have the final talk with Brynjolf, and after you can kick Maven in the ASS and tell here she is a bitch. If something unclear, write here I will try better to explain, but Englisch are not my mother tongue.
I have completed the thieves guild questline and had become the guild master. But talking to Delvin Mallory does not give the option for the completion of the "Wait for the right time to deal with Maven" subquest.
I'm trying to do the alternative recruitment quest. It says I need to plane the note on Brand-Shei but I don't seem to have any note and it doesn't say where I would get the note.
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This version is mostly a bug fix. Blackface, Blood on the ice, gift giving, etc. There have been multiple bugs reported and I thank some of the mod users for their work in fixing it on their own. I had to incorporate some of their fixes into mine since I didn't know how to do them, so HUGE shout out to Glanzer and ntBlood for doing some of the work for me.
Would love testing and feedback on the issues. I am working on version 4.5 using this cleaned version which will have more features you have requested (Giving the guild back to Brynjolf, quest order, mod compatibilities, etc.)
Thank you everyone for your patience!
NEW FEATURE: Get your soul back from Nocturnal!
This new feature is based on the incredible mod, Freedom for Nightingales. Assets used with permission from the mod author!
I have also implemented several bug fixes to hopefully fix some of the issues, including dialogue not showing up, etc.
That being said, as some of you have pointed out, you need to do things in order! I don't know how to fix it to where if you take items ahead of time it won't break the quest. Just follow the questline as it comes to you.
You can get your soul back from Nocturnal now! All you have to do is finish the main TG questline, then once you've become Guild Master, go back to Nocturnal and make her a deal. You will need to have a Dragon Soul available for this option to work as you will exchange one for your soul!
I have also implemented a way to turn off the ability to give gold. You can stop this by speaking to Brynjolf a few quests into the game.
NOTE: When first approaching Brynjolf, make sure to ask "Why are we doing this to Brand-Shei" if you want the more moral option. Once he gives you an answer, then you can say "okay lets get this started" (but only do that when you are outside at the proper time!.
As far as some of the other issues with Honor Among Thieves, I am still working on a few things with that quest. But to prevent you from having issues, here are some essential tips:
For HONOR AMONG THIEVES quest to make sure it goes well, here are some essential tips:
1. Do not install after you have already started the Thieves Guild Quest Line. This apparently makes
the new quest buggy.
2. Don't steal or take stuff in Riften unless someone tells you to as part of a quest. Again, Do not
pick up the quest items before you have the quest!
a. For example, the mod author says if you get the bag of gems in Maven’s house before
you have the quest that tell you to, it messes up the quest
3. TALK TO BOTH DELVIN AND VEX BEFORE TAKING ANY JOBS, AND BEFORE READING ANY BOOKS
IN THE THIEVES GUILD & The Ragged Flagon!
4. AFTER talking to Delvin and Vex, read the required books and notes in the Thieves Guild--one on
the bar, one to the left of the bar, and one on Mercer's desk.
5. Keep watch on your Thieves Guild quest objectives:
a. Do them logically in order and
b. follow what they say.
6. Do everything you can before becoming Guild master.
a. This means doing everything up to and including getting the dirt on a certain someone
and speaking to Delvin about it. Once you get the quest log that says "wait for the right
time", you can proceed as normal with Thieves Guild Questline
7. Once you become Guild master, go back to Delvin and talk to him. It's the same line of dialogue
at first, but new options will appear and you can advance!
8. You will get the option to return to Nocturnal and make her a deal after you have become Guild
Master!
a. PS For proper immersion, I’d strongly advise waiting to get your soul back until after you
find out that you are the Dragonborn
9. Note: It does NOT matter if you side with the Imperials. You can still bring Maven to heel. The
dialogue works fine either way.
Bonus Tip: Save your game OFTEN. Particularly before doing anything quest related. Also, you may want
to save the game before you speak to each person in the guild. This will all you to go back in case
something doesn't work, you screwed something up, or made a wrong dialog choice.
Edit: Might have to do with a mod I have where I can reject becoming a Nightingale and made Karliah return the key. She never showed up either so I had to use console command. Oh well. Next time I'll just accept becoming one and then getting my soul back.
In other words, can I skip Vex and Delvin quest without breaking the main quest with this mod?
In this modes description it says NOW FULLY COMPATIBLE THIEVES GUILD REQUIREMENTS! followed by a console command and some variables. Do I need to set some of those variable to make these mods work together?
1] Focus guild jobs solely on the RICH homes and businesses.
-- Ask Vex or Delvin to get the jobs ? Same as Vanilla ? I mean I cannot see any dialogue change.
2] No Stone Unturned / The Litany of Larceny
-- I want my character keep good guy but some item cannot pick up free.
Example) The Honningbrew Decanter, The East Empire Shipping Map, and The Dwemer Puzzle Cube.
How do I keep my character, Good Guy ?
If something unclear, write here I will try better to explain, but Englisch are not my mother tongue.