Since there is some misunderstanding about what a Harmony mod is, and how the EULA affects it, allow me to explain.
Harmony is a Dynamic Link Library (DLL) that allows code injection in .NET applications, including Unity games. It allows, amongst other things, prefixes and postfixes that modify program logic.
To create such a mod, assuming you've already integrated Harmony (which sometimes requires modification of the core program, already violating the EULA) you decompile the Intermediate Language back to C# (strike one) so you can reverse engineer the project (strike two) to produce a DLL that modifies the way the core program operates through code injection (strike three). There is no way any Harmony mod is not a breach of this particular EULA.
Often some leeway is given to modders, but with the addition of the clause that requires permission to create a mod, this explicitly includes mods under these prohibitions. I do not wish to violate their EULA, but do not agree to their terms. Thus the end of support.
Again, if anyone disagrees or doesn't care about the EULA, please continue the project. You would make many people very happy.
A fork of this mod has been created, there's no longer a reason for the Nexus mod page to exist except as a redirect to the new mod. Feels like the original mod author is choosing to be a drama queen over the EULA for no particular reason, if they genuinely cared about it why not delete the mod page entirely? As long as this page exists, especially with the author's acknowledgement of having broken the EULA, they continue to violate the EULA.
good cause f*#@ any control freak of a company that wants to ruin peoples fun because they can that Eula might as well be a Kick me sign for all the good it will ever do anyone. All it amounts to is just that a Kick to us to the company that makes it and anyone that enforces it as it stands it's nothing but a provocation and it shouldn't have been made as is in the first place.
I uninstalled all mods, UMM (and updated), WotR, and reinstalled everything. Mods I downloaded from Nexus reinstalled fine saying OK under status, but the .zip I got from github and installed is blank under status.
don't reinstall combat relief this replaces that, just delete combat relief altogether and download the file linked above, and install that, it really should work after that.
don't reinstall combat relief this replaces that, just delete combat relief altogether and download the file linked above, and install that, it really should work after that.
Here are a few quotes from Owlcat about the EULA from reddit:
"There were no changes to EULA since release of the game and this section had always been there. It's a pretty standard document used by most games. If the EULA popped up again during startup, it could be due to a settings refresh or corrupted file being restored after a file checkup."
"It's there mostly to prevent piracy and have a legal base in case an offensive, disturbing or malware-containing mod is published. If the mod author isn't doing anything crazy and isn't having any malicious intent, they have nothing to worry about. In fact, it's the opposite - we actively encourage modding. Enough to say, Turn Based mode came into the game thanks to the existance of a mod that demonstrated us there's a big demand for it."
"It's worded that way intentionally by a dedicated team of people who handle the legal stuff. I'm not much into this area personally, so don't expect me to explain in detail, but I know it's there for a reason and provides protection from certain unpleasant situations and a way to easily act on them if needed."
"It's a standard legal agreement, and out of my head I don't remember even a single case where we would use it to actually enforce something on the author."
And here's a quote from someone else that provides a pretty apt conclusion: "Modders and making a scene. Name a better duo. Like most of this stuff, it's all just a misunderstanding and the modder is going nuclear over a perceived slight that never happened."
Dude if you got bored of modding and wanted out, just say that, no need to make up a bulls*** excuse and blame the devs for it.
The EULA has never been changed since the launch of Kingmaker, the "you can't change the .exe without permission" is standard practice and is in every single game ever made and exists primarily to stop piracy or to take down people that add viruses or malware in their mods and Starrok said explicitely that they never enforced it and is there exclusively in case of emergency if they need to take down something really bad (like the aformentioned viruses).
Hey. I don't see your mods. At least this guy made a great mod and bothered to elaborately explain his current stance on the matter which seems well-grounded.
While what you just wrote is the real bulls*** claim: you popped up out of nowhere to accuse the author of lying and defamation out of the blue.
Ah yes, the classic nonsense response of "you don't make [insert whatever here] so you are not allowed to talk about something vaguely related to that". PS: i have actually made a few mods, i just removed them because i no longer have the free time to maintain them lol.
Also my claim is not out of nowhere, you can literally check and the EULA was not changed, it's really not that difficult to look it up, and the devs themselves responded and confirmed that the EULA was not changed.
But hey, i guess double checking would be too hard for someone of your intellectual magnitude.
The EULA hasn't had a revision since kingmaker. He just wanted out and used a BS excuse to move on. Which it's his mod, he's more than right to do whatever petty nonsense he wants.
If it hasn't been modified and I only noticed it when it popped up again, that's my failure. Had I noticed the clauses initially (I had no intention of modding when I started the game) I'd have never released the mod in the first place. "Don't worry, we won't enforce this" is problematic in many ways. It's their choice to put that in the EULA and then not enforce it, it's my choice to refuse their terms, even if I missed them until they reminded me, and it's your choice to not believe me. It's all good.
Every single game ever made has this clause in their EULA (it literally comes pre-built into Unity) it's there so the devs can legally take down viruses or other extremely problematic stuff. But hey, if some basic protection against malice that is industry standard and has been for over a decade is enough of a dealbreaker then i suggest you just don't bother with modding again, because you will just never be happy.
It's not "We have this to threaten people into doing what we want".
It's "We have this band-aid to take problematic stuff down like child smut and viruses".
Now if counter measures for aforementioned problems are enough to turn you away from modding pathfinder games in the future, maybe you should just stay away from modding period.
It's not "We have this to threaten people into doing what we want".
It's "We have this band-aid to take problematic stuff down like child smut and viruses".
Now if counter measures for aforementioned problems are enough to turn you away from modding pathfinder games in the future, maybe you should just stay away from modding period.
I don't need to create to critique, that's not how it works.
It's not insults to point out that you could have gotten the same point across without resorting to use an old EULA as an excuse to stop development.
I'm not entitled, i don't care. Toybox does the same thing and is much easier to use, i am simply pointing out the truth of the matter. If you don't like what i have to say, block me.
Here's a word of advice to future modders, if you want to take your ball and go home because you're done with it. Take your ball and go home. No one will think less of you.
You don't have to act like you're taking a stand for something so minor to stop modding, literally no one will care or even remember when you leave.
One is a bog-standard EULA written by a team of lawyers to absolve the company of any liability, financial or otherwise, from the start of recorded time until the heat death of the universe.
The other is outright disinformation.
I'm not sure either is "good," but I know which one is worse.
This mod works just fine in 1.3.7d, all this kerfuffle is very silly.
I actually saw a guy leave a negative Steam review because he believed everything he read here and thought Owlcat had targeted and broken this mod specifically.
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Since there is some misunderstanding about what a Harmony mod is, and how the EULA affects it, allow me to explain.
Harmony is a Dynamic Link Library (DLL) that allows code injection in .NET applications, including Unity games. It allows, amongst other things, prefixes and postfixes that modify program logic.
To create such a mod, assuming you've already integrated Harmony (which sometimes requires modification of the core program, already violating the EULA) you decompile the Intermediate Language back to C# (strike one) so you can reverse engineer the project (strike two) to produce a DLL that modifies the way the core program operates through code injection (strike three). There is no way any Harmony mod is not a breach of this particular EULA.
Often some leeway is given to modders, but with the addition of the clause that requires permission to create a mod, this explicitly includes mods under these prohibitions. I do not wish to violate their EULA, but do not agree to their terms. Thus the end of support.
Again, if anyone disagrees or doesn't care about the EULA, please continue the project. You would make many people very happy.
https://github.com/alterasc/CombatRelief
Here's a fork of the original github project, updated to work on 1.4!
Fixed, thank you for the link and help.
"There were no changes to EULA since release of the game and this section had always been there. It's a pretty standard document used by most games. If the EULA popped up again during startup, it could be due to a settings refresh or corrupted file being restored after a file checkup."
"It's there mostly to prevent piracy and have a legal base in case an offensive, disturbing or malware-containing mod is published. If the mod author isn't doing anything crazy and isn't having any malicious intent, they have nothing to worry about.
In fact, it's the opposite - we actively encourage modding. Enough to say, Turn Based mode came into the game thanks to the existance of a mod that demonstrated us there's a big demand for it."
"It's worded that way intentionally by a dedicated team of people who handle the legal stuff. I'm not much into this area personally, so don't expect me to explain in detail, but I know it's there for a reason and provides protection from certain unpleasant situations and a way to easily act on them if needed."
"It's a standard legal agreement, and out of my head I don't remember even a single case where we would use it to actually enforce something on the author."
And here's a quote from someone else that provides a pretty apt conclusion: "Modders and making a scene. Name a better duo. Like most of this stuff, it's all just a misunderstanding and the modder is going nuclear over a perceived slight that never happened."
The EULA has never been changed since the launch of Kingmaker, the "you can't change the .exe without permission" is standard practice and is in every single game ever made and exists primarily to stop piracy or to take down people that add viruses or malware in their mods and Starrok said explicitely that they never enforced it and is there exclusively in case of emergency if they need to take down something really bad (like the aformentioned viruses).
I don't see your mods.
At least this guy made a great mod and bothered to elaborately explain his current stance on the matter which seems well-grounded.
While what you just wrote is the real bulls*** claim: you popped up out of nowhere to accuse the author of lying and defamation out of the blue.
PS: i have actually made a few mods, i just removed them because i no longer have the free time to maintain them lol.
Also my claim is not out of nowhere, you can literally check and the EULA was not changed, it's really not that difficult to look it up, and the devs themselves responded and confirmed that the EULA was not changed.
But hey, i guess double checking would be too hard for someone of your intellectual magnitude.
The EULA hasn't had a revision since kingmaker. He just wanted out and used a BS excuse to move on. Which it's his mod, he's more than right to do whatever petty nonsense he wants.
But hey, if some basic protection against malice that is industry standard and has been for over a decade is enough of a dealbreaker then i suggest you just don't bother with modding again, because you will just never be happy.
It's "we haven't HAD to enforce this yet".
It's not "We have this to threaten people into doing what we want".
It's "We have this band-aid to take problematic stuff down like child smut and viruses".
Now if counter measures for aforementioned problems are enough to turn you away from modding pathfinder games in the future, maybe you should just stay away from modding period.
It's "we haven't HAD to enforce this yet".
It's not "We have this to threaten people into doing what we want".
It's "We have this band-aid to take problematic stuff down like child smut and viruses".
Now if counter measures for aforementioned problems are enough to turn you away from modding pathfinder games in the future, maybe you should just stay away from modding period.
It's not insults to point out that you could have gotten the same point across without resorting to use an old EULA as an excuse to stop development.
I'm not entitled, i don't care. Toybox does the same thing and is much easier to use, i am simply pointing out the truth of the matter. If you don't like what i have to say, block me.
Here's a word of advice to future modders, if you want to take your ball and go home because you're done with it. Take your ball and go home. No one will think less of you.
You don't have to act like you're taking a stand for something so minor to stop modding, literally no one will care or even remember when you leave.
One is a bog-standard EULA written by a team of lawyers to absolve the company of any liability, financial or otherwise, from the start of recorded time until the heat death of the universe.
The other is outright disinformation.
I'm not sure either is "good," but I know which one is worse.
I actually saw a guy leave a negative Steam review because he believed everything he read here and thought Owlcat had targeted and broken this mod specifically.