Yet another "we're banning you because you can't read" news post

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I'm still getting reports almost daily in my inbox about people thinking they've been banned unfairly for rating down mods, leaving abusive and unconstructive comments or just generally being a nuisance. There are numerous warnings posted on the site and available within the terms and conditions that everyone has to agree to before they can post or make ratings on the site and I'm begrudgingly taking the time out of doing other more productive things, like adding new features to the site, to write this small article on why so many accounts are getting banned at the moment.

First of all let me start by saying you don't have an inalienable right to post, rate or say whatever you want on these sites. I've been saying this for 8 years and I'll continue to say this; this isn't the U.S. of A., this is a website with clear terms, conditions and rules. Your false perceptions of free speech don't exist here. "But Dark0ne", I hear you say, "that sounds so Draconian, you're not going to make any friends like that!", well, that's how it is folks. It's our way or no way.

We're not some crazy mad men on power trips, we're active members of this community who want to see as many people happy as possible. We're nice like that you see. Unfortunately we want to run a tight ship, a ship where the people making the great (and sometimes not so great) content that you download (for free, I'll add) can feel free to do so without being spat on by every Tom, Dick and Harry that doesn't like something for one reason or another.

Let me reitterate exactly what we want and what we don't want. The terms for rating and commenting on files states that it provides:

  • an interface to offer positive feedback on the functionality of the file in question based on the author's initial intentions
  • the ability to offer constructive criticism on aspects of the file that could be improved
  • the chance to ask for feature requests and discuss such requests with other users of the site or the author
  • the ability to ask for help in troubleshooting problems with the file in question


I've put the key points in bold because they are the parts that people fall short on and what ultimately gets people banned. Essentially our saying is "If you're got nothing good to say then don't say it". It's so, so, so simple and yet every day I get complaints from banned people who are wondering why they can no longer access the site because they told an author they can go to hell for adding content to the game that didn't fit in with the lore of the game.

The fact of the matter is that over 1,500 new people register to use this site, TESNexus and the forums every day. That's a lot of new people that need moderating. It's why we put up a lot of warnings before you rate or post that if you don't follow our ettiquette then you will be banned, because I don't have the time to go through each individual banned member case day in day out. If I did I'd get no work done at all. Being strict saves us time and allows us to provide help where it's actually necessary to people who actually deserve it. To people who can actually read. I don't think myself and the moderation staff should be penalised because people can't follow simple instructions. The fact is most people get banned from the site because they just don't bother to read our terms, conditions and ettiquette on posting and rating. That's not our fault, the message is very clear: if you don't like it, move along without doing anything.

So what do we allow? We don't want you to not post because you fear the ban hammer, this whole community revolves around interaction and sharing, but we do want you to understand that ratings are for people who have made good use of a mod and who have something productive to say. Give a rating of 5 or under to mods that have missing textures, that don't do what the description says or that have potential but haven't quite cut it for whatever reason. The point is here you need a reason other than just "I don't like this mod" or "I don't think the mod fits the lore". If the mod doesn't meet your standards then provide reasons why and how it can improve. Your rating is meant to provide help, not a way of spitting on the author and saying "screw you it sucks!". Most importantly if you don't like the concept of the mod because it doesn't fit in with your beliefs, your personal feelings, your idea of what is right or wrong or your idea of what fits in with the game then for the love of god don't rate the file; because you're going to get insta-banned. We don't care if you think Octupus-men don't fit in to the Fallout 3 canon, move along.

Lastly I will say that the people running this site are here to make the experience better, not worse, and most of all they're operating on my set of rules, so if you're going to hate on anyone, make it me. I have no tolerance for moderator bashing no matter what's been done and anyone airing dirty laundry about moderator actions is going to be shown the door very quickly. If you have problems with a moderator then you should be getting in contact with me.

There are far more people getting banned on FO3Nexus than there are on TESNexus, even though TESNexus has about 30% more traffic than FO3Nexus. I'm putting this down to the still relative youth of the Fallout 3 community. While the Morrowind and Oblivion community have had time to mature and instill the good ettiquette in authors and downloaders alike Fallout 3 is still young and many people don't understand the boundries there are within the community. The moderation team and I are hoping that this will smooth out over time, because it really is noticeable.

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  1. buddah
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    http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/top.php

    By their own numbers the mean rating of all mods in the entire database is 9.59/10


    Let's be honest here: Nothing in nature or art has a score distribution like this.


    I see you are back again, now it is ratings....well yesterday is was child porn that didn't actually exist except in your own mind.

    Well another moderator has already banned this account. So I will await for you to create another from which to troll, knock your self out. Continue doing what you are doing if it makes you happy....if just further defines you as what you are, a TROLL.

    Where is Stampede when you need a troll hunter.

    What is your next username GraveDiggerTROLL?

    Buddah
  2. GodOfAtheism
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    I've noticed hardly anyone rates anything unless they are giving it an 8 or higher...you only see some 7's and lower from people who are usually the trouble makers...

    Because everyone who would give lower ratings has been banned. This means the only people who are left are the sycophants, who will give 8's, 9's, and 10's (or a 7 if it somehow manages to set your computer on fire through sheer awfulness.)

    perhaps when you register, you should be required to maintain a certain amount of ratings to downloads to remain registered...maybe 40% or so...just to encourage rating, but not make it a requirement for every mod you download to be rated...

    That would only further stack the ratings since most people who don't care one way or the other are just going to rate 10, say good mod, and go on their way. Apparently you can't be banned for that, if the comments for most of the 10 votes in the top 50 are any indicator.

    I'm not going make a criticism without a resolution though, so...

    My ideal system would work as follows-

    Upon downloading a mod, if you are registered with an account, a timer is set, and a notation on a page is made. The timer is a week. The page the notation is made on? Your downloaded mods page. After that week is up, you are prompted that you have mods to review on your initial visit to the site each day (of course, you can review it sooner if you want. Premium members can even turn off the prompt altogether.) The review is a simple thumbs up, thumbs down review. You either liked it or didn't like it. We don't need to quantify that you liked it 10, or you liked it 9, since, as noted by previous commentators (GravediggerCIA), that system doesn't work since apparently everything is a 9 or 10. You can comment on the mod, or not comment on it, up to you. As I previously noted, a lot of the forced comments from rating are just "great mod" or similar, so it's not like much is being lost.
  3. Pushkatu
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    Haha....this discution has no ending(it's like polithics and religious sfaff). You know why the sides don't get along? It's quite simple actualy ...it's becouse we are all people...and what people do best? ....huh? they ARGUE! YEsss.....you see.... we ARGUE!!! a lot!! .. and we like it! Don't tell me you don't, becouse I know you do....but it's pointless most of the times...


    I have lot's of mods downloaded from this site....close to 100 GB. I dind't rate all of them of course, but my 100 GB mod pack contains all the mods I love and use so I rate them 10 of course, but ....another user...who also downloads a mod from my pacK rates the mod 5 becouse like Dark0ne said he likes the idea behind it...but is has some nasty bugs(bugs that I(yes...me, I don't realy care about, but that person does). You see where I'm getting at? By doing this we'll avoid havin GODLIKE mods with 1000 rates of 10 and instead we'll get a more balanced rating sistem.


    Trolls are out of discution here and they will get banned if trying to do bad things <img class="> you suck becouse your mod doens't work


    The rating sistem is FRICKIN OK!!!! It's WE that don't understand how to use it.
    I am only thankfull that this site exists and I realy hope we'll enjoy having it for as long as it's possible.

    THANK YOU Dark0ne and THANK YOU staff members for making it what it is today.


    Have a nice day and play some god damn OBLIVION! <img class=">



    Cheers!


    p



    THE END!



    PS: I ain't going to say anything more about this so don't pestle me with this subject via PM or anything like that. <img class=">
  4. Satanabusjones
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    I've noticed hardly anyone rates anything unless they are giving it an 8 or higher...you only see some 7's and lower from people who are usually the trouble makers...but really as far as how many people download and how many of them rate...there is a huge void...My most downloaded mod only sees 2.8% of it's downloaders come back to rate...and it has the highest return of my 4 total mods..the rest are around 1.3% to 2.4%...perhaps when you register, you should be required to maintain a certain amount of ratings to downloads to remain registered...maybe 40% or so...just to encourage rating, but not make it a requirement for every mod you download to be rated...
  5. GraveDiggerCIA
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    http://fallout3nexus.com/downloads/top.php

    By their own numbers the mean rating of all mods in the entire database is 9.59/10


    Let's be honest here: Nothing in nature or art has a score distribution like this.
  6. GraveDiggerCIA
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    Someone on another forum did some analysis:
    I did a little test today on FO3Nexus. I sorted by rating, and checked the first 1, 7, and 8 rating. The results are shocking!

    Page 113 is the first 1 rating

    Page 128 is the first 7 rating

    Page 144 is where the 8's start.

    531 is the last page.

    That means that 418 pages have rated content on them, of those, 31 pages are rated between 1 and 7.99999. It also means that 387 pages of content (3865 mods, on the page where the 8's start is one high 7, on the last 10's page is 6 mods.) is rated between 8 and 10. This of course, leads me to only one conclusion.

    FALLOUT3NEXUS SURE HAS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF!


    If you guys aren't going to let people give bad ratings to bad files then you should just disable ratings below 8.
  7. HadToRegister
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    @noonsa

    Sorry man, but I didn't understand a word of what you said.

    Daggerfall? What?

    ????
  8. noonsa
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    I have come to suspect that your assertion that your increased bannination rates are due to youth is totally false. I would suggest you look at the number of people you're banning whose accounts were created BEFORE F3nexus existed. There seems to be a serious issue on this site with reporting any kind of issue. How am I to know if the guy who made enclave house knows that he put the wrong ammo in the guard inventory, leaving them to fistfight radscorpians. There is nothing mean spirited in telling in that. But under this new regime, those of us old timers feel you can no longer even speak on this site. For eg, I made a fix years ago for daggerfall to repair my own savegames, him/her bug. I gave it to friends who so on and so on. I've seen another better fix on most sites(but I suppose most of them are dead now, if you want some old daggerfall mods PM me before my bannination and I’ll track down my old archive. I generally don’t UL most of my work just pass it around, I do a lot of fixing things like in the bolt pistol mod, they all appear in the metaton house, so I changed my version to appear in the inventories of the various shops. Did the same with the 40k plasma guns. So I've been into modding in a minor way for years. I'm not some "youth" or f3 rabble. When I gave my STALKER mod to my buddy for him to test out, I WANTED him to tell me not just how it worked, but how he FELT about it, its CRITICAL feedback for a modder. This particular manifestation of the elder scrolls/nexus is depriving these young modders from actual bugs and real constructive criticism.


    EDIT - We need to have a fish slap and a Kudos, and no other rating system but those, have a top 50 for both the Kudos'd and the fish slap'd.
  9. Satanabusjones
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    It would be nice if the people who rated actually left constructive commentary...I see 10's on some mods and the person rating will actually report a bug or issue and still rate a 10...then I see a 7 or an 8 and their only comment is "Great Mod" or something of the like...then there is the fact that almost nobody rates stuff anyway...I look at my mods alone, and only have like 2.5% of the downloaders come back to rate...it usually seems like the same few people are the only ones rating, and everyone else either doesn't rate, or just decides to talk smack...
  10. Krysee
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    I agree with Stewb. There's no special honors for getting into the top 50, it's just a page with names and links to mods, yet I honestly feel that there are people out there talking their friends into maliciously down-rating competing mods just so they make it into the top 50, just for the props of being on the page.

    I think it may have happened to me at least once, but like Stewb said, how are you going to prove it? (Also, I really don't care if I'm there or not, I don't even check that page, so who am I to complain ...)

    Kill the top 50, and make rankings only a method of sorting search results, and possibly make people wait a day after downloading a file to be able to rank it. That'll get modders back on track to actually listening to commentary about their mods rather than playing some stupid numbers game.