Feedback: - works as advertised on 7.5 with VRO and RE mod with tons of other mods without issue
- boarding(it resets relations back to normal) so you can just park yourself near ship you are boarding, issue board command, press C and 1 under second to completely negate retaliation loss or counterattacks(not including missiles already fired, those will hit you anyway)
1st) thank you for that great mod 2nd) would be awesome if you could fix following issues: a) most of the times you only have the "Apologize for Attack" option - but not all other options b) sometimes when you have the "surrender" option it does not give an answer c) while boarding is active it should not "reset" your affiliation to normal d) we need a multi-language version (i know its very easy to translate the current version, yet then you have like X versions, so would be nice to have it /t/ in each xml) - i could help with german, french, spanish, russian 3rd) thank you again :)
btw i wrote you here: forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=5248001#p5248001
this mod is really cheesy when doing boarding/pirating runs. to be honest its downright cheating, would suggest to only reset relations ONLY when you shot a ship, boarding is a very different form of attack than shooting someone so yeah would actually make sense if relations won't reset if A LITERAL POD FILLED WITH MARINES ABOUT TO WIPE OUT YOUR CREW. and since i have no coding knowledge i do hope its doable because this is just downright cheating since i could just fly to a random XL/L ship get really really close to guarantee everyone passing Phase I, Pause, Open Comms and let mod the magic and bam i don't have to worry about having an entire fleet bearing down on me. anyway other than that it does what i expected it to do, saved my ass a lot of times where i was fighting with xenons and i just accidentally hit friendly fighters with flak
I don't understand this mindset, it is only cheesy and cheating if you choose to abuse it, so why should the mod get changed? If people can't restrain from abusing mods or game mechanics it is their fault, it is a sandbox game after all.
there is a new mod around "friendly fire tweaks" that completely prevents stations from becoming hostile to your turrent shooting, basically it checks if you targetted the station and if you are using your main guns. it works wonders without becoming cheating.
"If people can't restrain from abusing mods or game mechanics it is their fault, it is a sandbox game after all."
That's not what Sandbox means. The real world is a sandbox, but you can't cheat its rules of Nature or physics. You can't just do a magic spell and make everyone love you, for example. You still have to follow the basic rules of existence. A sandbox game allows you freedom in its world, but not to break its core rules... Imagine what would happen if people realised they could just use a magic spell and have it all in real life? Most people would do it. People would 'mod' the hell out of real life and cheat.
So if a Mod allows cheating, that really should be fixed, if the maker wants to maintain the limitations of the world core sandbox rules.
I think you all have good points... there's pros & cons to everything.
On one hand using this mod to abuse boarding is a bit much and as a player I would actively avoid this. But sometimes it's hard to prevent yourself from abusing stuff, depending on your mood or character... On the other hand, if you can avoid the abuse with an easy fix from a modder's perspective then maybe it's worth it. But .... it might not be an easy fix....
In all cases it's up to the modder/author 's willingness & availability so ... edit: not to mention also skill & available API
I have a very good alternative to all the calls of "reee cheating" : don't install and use it. There you go, simple. Let others enjoy things. Alternatively, create your own mod that 'fixes' it and use that. There you go. Solutions. Another alternative is to just relax. It's a videogame. It's also a single player video game. How others enjoy things has 0 affect on you.
>People would 'mod' the hell out of real life and cheat. Yeah, everyone already does that. It's called conveniences. Using a dishwasher instead of manually scrubbing your dishes is "cheating" by your definition.
> You still have to follow the basic rules of existence. Again, it's a video game. If you're getting THIS worked up over a single player video game, boy I have news for you when it comes to life.
Everything you said was exactly what I was thinking; it was just worded way more coherently than if I had tried to type it.
I have never understood people who complain about mods that enable gameplay that those people consider "cheating" when that mod is 100% optional for a single player game whose devs have fully implemented modding support for just about every aspect of said game. As you stated, it has literally no effect on @Socratatus's game experience if someone else decides to use nothing but cheat mods.
@Socratatus, since the devs have fully implemented robust modding support into this single-player sandbox game, I'd go out on a limb and say that the devs clearly intended the "core sandbox rules" to be whatever a modder decides to set them as. That is what makes easily moddable sandbox games so great--you can customize the game and its elements into whatever you prefer. And as so many others have already said, if you don't like the gameplay elements this mod changes, there is a shockingly easy way for you to deal with that--don't install it and move on.
But seriously... did you really just use the fact that use cheat mods in real life in support of your argument that you shouldn't be able to use cheat mods in video games?
He's right, I hate people who reduce everything to abbreviations at every turn in a sentence, just because they're lazy or they think it's cool to write like that I don't know, you have to think that people may not understand because they speak another language or even because it's not obvious to everyone.
Would it be possible to extend this mod so that when you apologize, any player ships that may be targeting the thing you apologized to break off their attacks?
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- works as advertised on 7.5 with VRO and RE mod with tons of other mods without issue
- boarding(it resets relations back to normal) so you can just park yourself near ship you are boarding, issue board command, press C and 1 under second to completely negate retaliation loss or counterattacks(not including missiles already fired, those will hit you anyway)
Sure wish they'd come up with a non-cheat vanilla version.
2nd) would be awesome if you could fix following issues:
a) most of the times you only have the "Apologize for Attack" option - but not all other options
b) sometimes when you have the "surrender" option it does not give an answer
c) while boarding is active it should not "reset" your affiliation to normal
d) we need a multi-language version (i know its very easy to translate the current version, yet then you have like X versions, so would be nice to have it /t/ in each xml) - i could help with german, french, spanish, russian
3rd) thank you again :)
btw i wrote you here: forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=5248001#p5248001
Unless I'm doing something wrong, is there a way after apologizing to automagically remove all attack orders on the friendly objects?
If not, please update ^^
That's not what Sandbox means.
The real world is a sandbox, but you can't cheat its rules of Nature or physics. You can't just do a magic spell and make everyone love you, for example. You still have to follow the basic rules of existence. A sandbox game allows you freedom in its world, but not to break its core rules... Imagine what would happen if people realised they could just use a magic spell and have it all in real life? Most people would do it. People would 'mod' the hell out of real life and cheat.
So if a Mod allows cheating, that really should be fixed, if the maker wants to maintain the limitations of the world core sandbox rules.
there's pros & cons to everything.
On one hand using this mod to abuse boarding is a bit much and as a player I would actively avoid this.
But sometimes it's hard to prevent yourself from abusing stuff, depending on your mood or character...
On the other hand, if you can avoid the abuse with an easy fix from a modder's perspective then maybe it's worth it.
But .... it might not be an easy fix....
In all cases it's up to the modder/author 's willingness & availability so ...
edit: not to mention also skill & available API
I have a very good alternative to all the calls of "reee cheating" : don't install and use it. There you go, simple. Let others enjoy things. Alternatively, create your own mod that 'fixes' it and use that. There you go. Solutions.
Another alternative is to just relax. It's a videogame. It's also a single player video game. How others enjoy things has 0 affect on you.
>People would 'mod' the hell out of real life and cheat.
Yeah, everyone already does that. It's called conveniences. Using a dishwasher instead of manually scrubbing your dishes is "cheating" by your definition.
> You still have to follow the basic rules of existence.
Again, it's a video game. If you're getting THIS worked up over a single player video game, boy I have news for you when it comes to life.
Everything you said was exactly what I was thinking; it was just worded way more coherently than if I had tried to type it.
I have never understood people who complain about mods that enable gameplay that those people consider "cheating" when that mod is 100% optional for a single player game whose devs have fully implemented modding support for just about every aspect of said game. As you stated, it has literally no effect on @Socratatus's game experience if someone else decides to use nothing but cheat mods.
@Socratatus, since the devs have fully implemented robust modding support into this single-player sandbox game, I'd go out on a limb and say that the devs clearly intended the "core sandbox rules" to be whatever a modder decides to set them as. That is what makes easily moddable sandbox games so great--you can customize the game and its elements into whatever you prefer. And as so many others have already said, if you don't like the gameplay elements this mod changes, there is a shockingly easy way for you to deal with that--don't install it and move on.
But seriously... did you really just use the fact that use cheat mods in real life in support of your argument that you shouldn't be able to use cheat mods in video games?
turn in a sentence, just because they're lazy or they think it's cool to
write like that I don't know, you have to think that people may not
understand because they speak another language or even because it's not
obvious to everyone.