I just wish ST fans would just admit they didn’t like Star Wars, and weren’t fans before the Disney buyout.People are allowed to like what they like, but pretending to be a long time fan to add credibility to your opinion of TLJ is just utter bunk. And no one who has been a fan of the OT through out their lives could enjoy TLJ.To better illustrate my point, no fan of Lord of the Rings would be happy if some corporation bought the rights, and made a “canon” sequel that would be attached to the collected books, where Sauron came back because the ring actually had nothing to do with his supremacy, and Gandalf came back, from what was supposed to be his peaceful retirement to paradise, as an ally of Sauron. And then we find out Gondor has fallen apart because Aragorn became a drunk and a layabout. Some dwarf girl suddenly appears out of nowhere, totally unrelated to prior canon, defeats evil Gandalf the first time they meet, and then several more times, all before the exciting climax where Gandalf unexpectedly cuts Sauron down, only for Morgoth to return bodily in the final act.It would subvert expectations, but Tolkien fans would hate it. Of course certain sects of the internet would praise it, because the dwarf is female, and they see her racial attributes as some sort of nod towards people with disabilities or something. Then they’d claim they always loved Tolkien, and this story is the best one. Probably also try to say it was based on secret letters and rough drafts, up until the point where the Tolkien estate revealed that unequivocally false, at which point they’d say Tolkien was never a great writer to begin with.Just writing this made my head hurt.
The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (ST) has been a point of contention since its inception, with The Last Jedi (TLJ) serving as a particularly divisive installment. Many longtime fans of the Original Trilogy (OT) and even the Prequel Trilogy (PT) have expressed disappointment with the direction taken by Disney and Lucasfilm, while others passionately defend the new films. However, a frustrating trend has emerged wherein some ST defenders claim to have been lifelong fans, using this alleged history to validate their praise for TLJ. This claim is dubious at best, as no dedicated fan of the OT could reasonably accept the thematic and narrative upheaval presented in TLJ without fundamentally misunderstanding the original saga. People are, of course, entitled to enjoy what they enjoy. However, the problem arises when self-proclaimed longtime fans attempt to leverage that status to dismiss criticisms of TLJ as mere nostalgia or resistance to change. The truth is, TLJ does not merely challenge expectations; it fundamentally rewrites characters, lore, and themes in a way that disregards the essence of Star Wars. Luke Skywalker, the beacon of hope in the OT, is depicted as a broken, cynical recluse who contemplates murdering his nephew in his sleep. This is not the natural evolution of a hero who once refused to give up on Darth Vader, one of the most irredeemable figures in cinematic history. No genuine fan of the OT, someone who grew up loving Luke Skywalker, could truly embrace such a radical departure from his core identity. To better illustrate this issue, one can consider a parallel scenario involving another beloved franchise: The Lord of the Rings. Imagine if a corporation purchased the rights to Tolkien’s work and released a “canon” sequel that completely undermined the original narrative. Suppose Sauron returned, revealing that the One Ring was never the source of his power, thereby rendering Frodo and Sam’s journey pointless. Gandalf, instead of having departed for eternal rest in the Undying Lands, returns as an ally of Sauron, inexplicably reversing his entire arc. Gondor collapses, not due to external threats, but because Aragorn has become a washed-up drunk, abandoning his responsibilities. This hypothetical sequel would be met with universal outrage from true Tolkien fans, who understand the significance of the original story and characters. Adding to the absurdity of this hypothetical Lord of the Rings sequel, a new character—let’s say a young dwarf girl with no prior connection to established lore—appears and repeatedly bests evil Gandalf in combat, without struggle or training. Despite this, the story insists that she is the most capable character, overshadowing the legacy heroes. Then, in an unexpected twist, Gandalf kills Sauron, only for Morgoth to make an inexplicable return, making the entire conflict feel cyclical and meaningless. While this might “subvert expectations,” it would do so at the cost of narrative integrity, which is precisely what TLJ did to Star Wars. If such a travesty were to befall The Lord of the Rings, certain corners of the internet would undoubtedly praise it, not because it was a well-crafted story, but because of superficial elements such as diversity in casting or supposed progressivism. They would claim to have always been fans of Tolkien’s work, celebrating the changes as bold and innovative. Yet, when the Tolkien estate or knowledgeable scholars debunk any claims that these changes were based on Tolkien’s original ideas, the defenders would likely pivot, asserting that Tolkien was outdated and that his work needed modernization. This mirrors the exact rhetorical tactics used by TLJ’s defenders, who first claimed that Rian Johnson’s choices were based on Lucas’s vision, only to dismiss Lucas’s influence when it was proven otherwise. The argument here is not against diversity or progress but against the deliberate subversion of beloved characters and lore for the sake of shock value. Change is not inherently bad, but change that contradicts the fundamental principles of a story is not creative—it is destructive. Luke’s arc in TLJ is the equivalent of Gandalf joining Sauron or Aragorn abandoning Gondor. It fundamentally breaks the character and the story’s established logic. For a true fan, seeing such a betrayal of core themes is not exciting or thought-provoking; it is deeply frustrating. It is important to recognize that new fans exist, and they have every right to enjoy the sequels. However, pretending that TLJ’s approach aligns with the original spirit of Star Wars is dishonest. The ST, particularly TLJ, was not made for longtime fans; it was made for a new audience, one that values subversion over continuity. Those who champion TLJ as the best Star Wars film often do so not because it is a faithful continuation of the saga, but because it challenges and deconstructs it. That may be a valid artistic approach, but it is not Star Wars. In the end, the frustration many fans feel is not simply about disliking TLJ—it is about the erasure of a saga that meant so much to them. If people enjoy TLJ, they are free to do so, but they should not claim to have always been Star Wars fans if their appreciation for the franchise only began when it was redefined to suit a different ideology. Just as Tolkien fans would reject a bastardized sequel to The Lord of the Rings, true Star Wars fans have every right to reject a sequel trilogy that disregards everything that made the original story resonate. TLJ did not honor Star Wars; it tore it down. And those who defend it under the guise of being longtime fans should at least be honest about when their fandom truly began.
I just wish ST fans would just admit they didn’t like Star Wars, and weren’t fans before the Disney buyout.People are allowed to like what they like, but pretending to be a long time fan to add credibility to your opinion of TLJ is just utter bunk. And no one who has been a fan of the OT through out their lives could enjoy TLJ.To better illustrate my point, no fan of Lord of the Rings would be happy if some corporation bought the rights, and made a “canon” sequel that would be attached to the collected books, where Sauron came back because the ring actually had nothing to do with his supremacy, and Gandalf came back, from what was supposed to be his peaceful retirement to paradise, as an ally of Sauron. And then we find out Gondor has fallen apart because Aragorn became a drunk and a layabout. Some dwarf girl suddenly appears out of nowhere, totally unrelated to prior canon, defeats evil Gandalf the first time they meet, and then several more times, all before the exciting climax where Gandalf unexpectedly cuts Sauron down, only for Morgoth to return bodily in the final act.It would subvert expectations, but Tolkien fans would hate it. Of course certain sects of the internet would praise it, because the dwarf is female, and they see her racial attributes as some sort of nod towards people with disabilities or something. Then they’d claim they always loved Tolkien, and this story is the best one. Probably also try to say it was based on secret letters and rough drafts, up until the point where the Tolkien estate revealed that unequivocally false, at which point they’d say Tolkien was never a great writer to begin with.Just writing this made my head hurt.
I guess one good thing about Disney canon is that it leaves not-Disney canon alone, allowing it to be a headcanon sandbox without fear of incoming retcons, poor character/event direction, or anything like that. I tried giving Disney canon a chance, but... nah. The not-Disney canon had its lumps and problems, but it still fits better than Disney canon.
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Love this mod.
Could you please make a mod that removes all the prequel content?
Thanks and may the force be with you!
Super based mod
Nevermind, I guess it was too good to be true.People are, of course, entitled to enjoy what they enjoy. However, the problem arises when self-proclaimed longtime fans attempt to leverage that status to dismiss criticisms of TLJ as mere nostalgia or resistance to change. The truth is, TLJ does not merely challenge expectations; it fundamentally rewrites characters, lore, and themes in a way that disregards the essence of Star Wars. Luke Skywalker, the beacon of hope in the OT, is depicted as a broken, cynical recluse who contemplates murdering his nephew in his sleep. This is not the natural evolution of a hero who once refused to give up on Darth Vader, one of the most irredeemable figures in cinematic history. No genuine fan of the OT, someone who grew up loving Luke Skywalker, could truly embrace such a radical departure from his core identity.
To better illustrate this issue, one can consider a parallel scenario involving another beloved franchise: The Lord of the Rings. Imagine if a corporation purchased the rights to Tolkien’s work and released a “canon” sequel that completely undermined the original narrative. Suppose Sauron returned, revealing that the One Ring was never the source of his power, thereby rendering Frodo and Sam’s journey pointless. Gandalf, instead of having departed for eternal rest in the Undying Lands, returns as an ally of Sauron, inexplicably reversing his entire arc. Gondor collapses, not due to external threats, but because Aragorn has become a washed-up drunk, abandoning his responsibilities. This hypothetical sequel would be met with universal outrage from true Tolkien fans, who understand the significance of the original story and characters.
Adding to the absurdity of this hypothetical Lord of the Rings sequel, a new character—let’s say a young dwarf girl with no prior connection to established lore—appears and repeatedly bests evil Gandalf in combat, without struggle or training. Despite this, the story insists that she is the most capable character, overshadowing the legacy heroes. Then, in an unexpected twist, Gandalf kills Sauron, only for Morgoth to make an inexplicable return, making the entire conflict feel cyclical and meaningless. While this might “subvert expectations,” it would do so at the cost of narrative integrity, which is precisely what TLJ did to Star Wars.
If such a travesty were to befall The Lord of the Rings, certain corners of the internet would undoubtedly praise it, not because it was a well-crafted story, but because of superficial elements such as diversity in casting or supposed progressivism. They would claim to have always been fans of Tolkien’s work, celebrating the changes as bold and innovative. Yet, when the Tolkien estate or knowledgeable scholars debunk any claims that these changes were based on Tolkien’s original ideas, the defenders would likely pivot, asserting that Tolkien was outdated and that his work needed modernization. This mirrors the exact rhetorical tactics used by TLJ’s defenders, who first claimed that Rian Johnson’s choices were based on Lucas’s vision, only to dismiss Lucas’s influence when it was proven otherwise.
The argument here is not against diversity or progress but against the deliberate subversion of beloved characters and lore for the sake of shock value. Change is not inherently bad, but change that contradicts the fundamental principles of a story is not creative—it is destructive. Luke’s arc in TLJ is the equivalent of Gandalf joining Sauron or Aragorn abandoning Gondor. It fundamentally breaks the character and the story’s established logic. For a true fan, seeing such a betrayal of core themes is not exciting or thought-provoking; it is deeply frustrating.
It is important to recognize that new fans exist, and they have every right to enjoy the sequels. However, pretending that TLJ’s approach aligns with the original spirit of Star Wars is dishonest. The ST, particularly TLJ, was not made for longtime fans; it was made for a new audience, one that values subversion over continuity. Those who champion TLJ as the best Star Wars film often do so not because it is a faithful continuation of the saga, but because it challenges and deconstructs it. That may be a valid artistic approach, but it is not Star Wars.
In the end, the frustration many fans feel is not simply about disliking TLJ—it is about the erasure of a saga that meant so much to them. If people enjoy TLJ, they are free to do so, but they should not claim to have always been Star Wars fans if their appreciation for the franchise only began when it was redefined to suit a different ideology. Just as Tolkien fans would reject a bastardized sequel to The Lord of the Rings, true Star Wars fans have every right to reject a sequel trilogy that disregards everything that made the original story resonate. TLJ did not honor Star Wars; it tore it down. And those who defend it under the guise of being longtime fans should at least be honest about when their fandom truly began.
THE SEQUELS ARE CANON
A view I choose not to follow, Disney made their decision, but given it's an incredibly stupid decision, I have elected to ignore them.
but you can't deny it :)
Dude is going to look back on this ten years from now and feel so embarrassed.
0/10 too much sequel