Hi Rob. So I'm using all your fixes for the COTN Series and JKs, but in ssedit it says my JK is loading lower than the COTN series, even though my thing is structured such as:
Am I doing something wrong? I don't seem to get the error when placing COtN above JKs but for load order purposes, I'm told that JKs should be before COtN?
Thanks so much for doing all you do. Reading your responses to so many questions has cleared up a lot for me. If I'm using (this is my plan, not my current situation) The Great Cities and JK's Skyrim and Cities of the North, I should apparently use the The Great Cities of JK's North Patch (a mouthful lol).
The general LO advice given on that last mod's page is The Great CitiesJK's SkyrimCities of the NorthThe Great Cities of JK's North
You say that Cities of the North should be above Skyrim because that's what is needed and expected by the CotN-JK's Skyrim patches, which I get. So patches could "dictate" what your LO has to be?
Would I assume then that THG-CotN-Jk's Skyrim patches must be expecting a different LO then? Hence the differing LO advice I see?
So if I added a completely new and different mod to my LO, it's not only where in the LO that mod need to be that's important, because you might have to change the position of other mods too? Which would also explain why the Load Orders of some really large but apparently stable WJ modlists can be so different from one another?
EDIT: Also wondering if you are available on Discord at all, because I sometimes have LO questions related to more than one particular mod, and I don't want to clutter up that mod's Posts pages?
Actually my advice would be to not use TGCoJKN *no offense Gardden you do good work* mainly because that patch requires the TGC AIO, which isn't going to be updated in the near future. I suggest using the individual TGCs, which have had updates to winterhold, dawnstar, and falkreath.
And you can enable/disable cities individually which is nice. When im working on stuff i load the mods COTN > JKs > TGC > Patch if im working on a 3 way. Although anything i work on i try to make them load order agnostic.
In an oversimplified way to put it, yes patches can "dictate" master plugin load order. Its more complicated then that but thats a decent way to think about it. Advanced Load Order Management is tricky business.
I'm on discord all the times thats the best place to reach me. Join The Patching Pub. linked on Janquel/Czasior patch collection pages.
What should be the load order if i'm gonna use this with TGC Winterhold 4.0 and JKs? I put the plugins from this mod below TGCow yet I am still having clipping objects and houses on the exterior.
The Missives patch from the Main mod is incompatible with your fixes. There's navmesh conflicts: [00:00] Start: Checking for Errors [00:00] Checking for Errors in [08] COTN - Winterhold.esp [00:00] [REFR:000177FB] (places FarmhouseLDoor01 "Wooden Door" [DOOR:00029CB0] in GRUP Cell Persistent Children of [CELL:00000D74] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C]) at 26,24) [00:00] REFR \ XNDP - Navigation Door Link \ Teleport Marker Triangle -> <Warning: Navmesh triangle not found in "[NAVM:000DAFD0] (in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of WinterholdExterior02 [CELL:00008EC1] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 26,24))"> [00:00] [REFR:000DAF21] (places FarmhouseLDoor01 "Wooden Door" [DOOR:00029CB0] in GRUP Cell Persistent Children of [CELL:00000D74] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C]) at 26,24) [00:00] REFR \ XNDP - Navigation Door Link \ Teleport Marker Triangle -> <Warning: Navmesh triangle not found in "[NAVM:000DAFD0] (in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of WinterholdExterior02 [CELL:00008EC1] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 26,24))"> [00:00] Done: Checking for Errors, Processed Records: 3610, Errors found: 2, Elapsed Time: 00:00
Hey Rob - any chance you'd look at this mod and potentially include a cleaned up version for your fixes? It adds a much needed wall to the JK/COTN combo and I'd hope it isn't overlapping any of your work.
Hi! Thank you so much for the bugfixes. For the main esp file, I've noticed it's requiring CC mods (from AE) as a master. Could this please be fixed? Thank you!
It shouldn't need to be fixed because you shouldn't be removing parts of the vanilla game from your system. Nonetheless on my next update I'll clean those out.
I did go through your mod log/post section and found out that the same issue has already been patched. However, I am still having the issue regarding people can't open the door. Is there a way to find out why people can't enter jarl hold (I am a noob at using Xedit and don't know where to start)?
more than likely it is an issue with one of your other winterhold mods. ive checked this out with JUST cotn and with the jks/tgc patch and no issue. i would binary search it and load into the test character and test.
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Am I doing something wrong? I don't seem to get the error when placing COtN above JKs but for load order purposes, I'm told that JKs should be before COtN?
If I'm using (this is my plan, not my current situation) The Great Cities and JK's Skyrim and Cities of the North, I should apparently use the The Great Cities of JK's North Patch (a mouthful lol).
The general LO advice given on that last mod's page is
The Great CitiesJK's SkyrimCities of the NorthThe Great Cities of JK's North
You say that Cities of the North should be above Skyrim because that's what is needed and expected by the CotN-JK's Skyrim patches, which I get. So patches could "dictate" what your LO has to be?
Would I assume then that THG-CotN-Jk's Skyrim patches must be expecting a different LO then? Hence the differing LO advice I see?
So if I added a completely new and different mod to my LO, it's not only where in the LO that mod need to be that's important, because you might have to change the position of other mods too? Which would also explain why the Load Orders of some really large but apparently stable WJ modlists can be so different from one another?
EDIT: Also wondering if you are available on Discord at all, because I sometimes have LO questions related to more than one particular mod, and I don't want to clutter up that mod's Posts pages?
And you can enable/disable cities individually which is nice. When im working on stuff i load the mods COTN > JKs > TGC > Patch if im working on a 3 way. Although anything i work on i try to make them load order agnostic.
In an oversimplified way to put it, yes patches can "dictate" master plugin load order. Its more complicated then that but thats a decent way to think about it. Advanced Load Order Management is tricky business.
I'm on discord all the times thats the best place to reach me. Join The Patching Pub. linked on Janquel/Czasior patch collection pages.
[00:00] Start: Checking for Errors[00:00] Checking for Errors in [08] COTN - Winterhold.esp
[00:00] [REFR:000177FB] (places FarmhouseLDoor01 "Wooden Door" [DOOR:00029CB0] in GRUP Cell Persistent Children of [CELL:00000D74] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C]) at 26,24)
[00:00] REFR \ XNDP - Navigation Door Link \ Teleport Marker Triangle -> <Warning: Navmesh triangle not found in "[NAVM:000DAFD0] (in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of WinterholdExterior02 [CELL:00008EC1] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 26,24))">
[00:00] [REFR:000DAF21] (places FarmhouseLDoor01 "Wooden Door" [DOOR:00029CB0] in GRUP Cell Persistent Children of [CELL:00000D74] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C]) at 26,24)
[00:00] REFR \ XNDP - Navigation Door Link \ Teleport Marker Triangle -> <Warning: Navmesh triangle not found in "[NAVM:000DAFD0] (in GRUP Cell Temporary Children of WinterholdExterior02 [CELL:00008EC1] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 26,24))">
[00:00] Done: Checking for Errors, Processed Records: 3610, Errors found: 2, Elapsed Time: 00:00
Is there any chance for an updated patch?
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/71022
Is there a way to find out why people can't enter jarl hold (I am a noob at using Xedit and don't know where to start)?
Here is my modlist for Winterhold:
"0235","+","Winterhold HD SE"
"0236","+","Winterhold HD SE (Ideal Master Crystal Mesh)"
"0237","+","Winterhold Bathhouse"
"0238","+","Winterhold Bathhouse and Keep It Clean Patch"
"0239","+","Cities of the North - Winterhold"
"0240","+","Winterhold Keep Tweaks for COTN"
"0241","+","Cities of the North - Winterhold Blacksmith"
"0242","+","Menskr - A Winterhold Home"
"0243","+","Menskr Reworked - a buyable home for COTN Winterhold"
"0244","+","Cities of the North - Winterhold (Alternative Start Patch)"
"0245","+","Cities of the North - Winterhold - Keep it Clean Patch"
"0246","+","COTN Winterhold Patch Collection"
"0247","+","Rob's Bug Fixes - COTN Winterhold"
"0401","+","At Your Own Pace - College of Winterhold"
"0407","+","College of Winterhold - Quest Expansion"
"0408","+","College of Winterhold - Quest Expansion (Quest Markers Addon)"
"0409","+","College of Winterhold - Quest Expansion (AYOP Patch)"