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I really hate to do this, but I'm just going to nip this in the bud now. The majority of my comments regarding my work have been wonderful, highly positive, and encouraging. Then there are those who do not like my mods but move on. That is the mature thing to do. But there are those in this world who insist on giving their entitled input. Constructive criticisms are welcome. Toxicity is not. I try to give my mod pages a positive environment while trying to help people get the most out of my mods. Yet, while I am a happy person, I don't have the patience for entitlement. I will be blunt.
If you do not like my mods, you are free to find what you like elsewhere. Free will is a wonderful thing. Modders work very hard making their creations for you all that are FREE. Don't be that person who complains about free stuff. The gaming industry is toxic enough. Let's keep things positive and fun. If you don't like my mod, do not comment on how much you hate it. Those kinds of comments benefit no one. That includes in email. I do not care about your perceived entitlement.
1. I've dramatically changed some NPCs, especially if they are marriageable.
2. I have changed up all the NPCs. I have overhauled my overhauls. I've added .nif files to the mods, rebuilt the faces using Tempered Skins and SOS Light (mod does not have skins attached) for consistency purposes, and made some other minor tweaks. I'm happier with it all.
3. I've created each updated NPCs from my other mods as well as this with High Poly Head V.4.
4. I will NOT make one large mod page for all my NPCs yet... 'yet' being the operative word. I have a lot more NPCs to do. When they are all finished, then I will do so. For now, you have to suffer separate files.
For example: If you only want my Vilkas, you can remove all my NPCs and leave him in there. If you have another NPC mod that changes the Companions, you will need to REMOVE their Vilkas that you are replacing to prevent the blackface bug.
Thanks to smr1957 and sattyre for the heads up on the blackface issue if you edit.
The short of it is, with this mod in play Farkas and Torvar have a dark faces, and all the obvious solutions fail to fix the problem.
The detailed explanation. . .Changing overwrite order (left window in mo2) has no effect. Changing load order (right window in mo2) has no effect. There are no missing mod prerequisites. There are no residual facegeom or facetint files; the only versions of their specific facegeom and facetint files present are the vanilla game versions (present from the initial installation), and the replacer versions this mod supplies. After exhausting all known solutions for Dark Face, I tried other male replacers just to see if I would get different results. Once again, all the other intended NPCs changed, all except Farkas and Torvar. From all appearances, it simply seems as though Farkas and Torvar become outraged beyond all cooperation when any attempt is made to change their appearance from the vanilla one (this is hyperbole but only slight).
After some additional troubleshooting, I confirmed that this mod is the only one changing their appearance: went into the esp, removed the changes it made to the two NPCs (essentially making Farkas and Torvar unaffected by the mod), and upon loading the game, both had resumed their vanilla appearance with no dark face bug appearing.
Thus, I am wondering if anyone has a longer list of potential causes for Dark Face bugs in general, that I might try troubleshooting those. Also, if there is an underlying commonality between these two NPCs, exclusive to these two NPCs (other than being stubborn gits), I would appreciate that sort of heads up as well.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
I managed to "solve" the issue by executing a simple command mentioned here:
https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/5755942-the-dark-faces-bug-how-to-fix-it/page-2
It didn't make Vilkas look as shown in the screenshots, but gave him an improved face (over vanilla) and fixed the black face issue, so I'm happy with that.
To execute the command, I simply walked to Vilkas, opened the console, selected him and ran setnpcweight 35
setnpcweight 25 works too.
The rest of NPCs work just fine, it's only Vilkas that has a black face.
I'm not using any other male NPC replacers per se (does Better Males count?).
I use Bijin and Pandorable's for female NPCs only, I doubt they're the cause of Vilkas' black face.
If it's conflicting with Better Males, I wonder why it's only messing with Vilkas...
Seems to me that it should conflict with either all males or none of them.
Yes, I tend to load npc mods towards the end (I'm also using LOOT).
Oh well, I'll move things around again, keep trying stuff, see if I get lucky.
If not, I guess I'll keep using the setnpcweight workaround
Great work, btw!
It might be a good idea to edit Pride of Skyrim 10's description, listing all the included packs accurately.
Also, I guess you could edit the description of this mod as well, making it clear that it's included in Pride of Skyrim 10.
Thanks again for the mods, great work!
A couple things were learned in the process tho.
Firstly, I confirmed there are no other facegeom or facetint files that could be overwriting the ones from this mod (there are literarlly no other 0001A962/0001A6DB files in the data folder)
Secondly, I, somewhat exasperatedly, made all the necessary changes (both in the esp and in the facegeom/facetint folders) to swap Farkas' appearance to be a copy of Vilkas' (since Vilkas' appearance - esp, facegeom, and facetint - shows up perfectly in game, I figured I'd be able to get a successful test result for Farkas). After a save clean and a second check to make sure Pride was at the bottom of my load order . . . still nothing.
Thirdly, in tandem with Secondly, I am doubtful that the issue has anything to do with Faceparts. Since both Farkas and Torvar share certain faceparts with other NPCs (ie, Vilkas and Farkas have the same brow, and Torvar and Kodlak share the same beard), and those latter NPCs show up just fine. It might be the hair, that being the only facepart each one has that is exclusive to each, but I cannot find any overwriting meshes or textures for those faceparts.
Rationally speaking, I know it has to be something; the problem has a cause. Non-rationally speaking, I am increasingly reaching the point where yeeting the two of them off of the Throat of the World is seeming the sane option.
I don't have this problem because I don't use multiple NPCs mods for men. I only use mine. The point of me making over 300 NPCs really was because people would only need one mod and not have to do that. But it's their prerogative.
There are two fixes for this. 1) Download the hair mods so the hair meshes in the mods can read the textures. or, 2) Link the hair textures to the hair mesh in the mod, which is really simple. See the image below by clicking spoiler (this is Farkas' hair):
After backing up Pride3 esp, I went into the esp, to the npc category, and down to the head parts section and changed the Farkas' PNAMs to Vilkas' (brow/beard/head etc). Then I went into the actual facegeom data folder, found Vilkas' head mesh (0001A694), copied it, and renamed the copy 0001A692 (Farkas' mesh); I did the same thing with the facetint textures. My thinking here was that 1) there might be some part of Farkas' original mesh - head part, texture, etc - that was somehow being overwritten in my load order. 2) If I changed every part of his appearance to another character, one with a working appearance, and I could confirm or reject that theory: ie, if Farkas loaded in successfully with Vilkas' appearance, then the issue was a HP being overwritten/interfered with, and not a bad file path.
However, all of that ended up being moot because Farkas still turned out brown, even when loaded into the game with Vilkas' meshes and textures; and Vilkas was still working too, right beside his brown-faced twin.
At this point my new theory is that it might be a script, if that is even possible. I recently stumbled on an issue when one npc wasn't loading their correct outfit, and turned out it wasn't the esp or faulty file path but a script that was directing a different outfit to be loaded onto the character. I don't suppose there are any precedents or well known popular mods with scripts that affect npc's facegeoms/tints? Because at this point I just cannot figure out what else it could be.
(I did give the linking the hair mesh to texture solution a try, but it didn't have any perceivable effect)
Not just that, but if you load NPC mods and tinker with them mid-game (editing, removing, installing), you're going to have issues like this. I suggest you a) start a new game or b) remove other male NPC mods as a test and see if that does anything... in a NEW game.
You can install NPC mods mid-game, but not when you are manipulating several ones at the same time.
One thing I know is that it's not on my end, otherwise everyone would be having this problem.
I cannot both succinctly and sufficiently express my gratitude, not only for the mod but also for the patience, but I hope that my tone carries through when I say "Thank you".
Happy Holidays and a Peaceful New Year.
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The black face bug can come from several sources, but so far I have found there is always some kind of conflict. Most often the conflict is because you have another mod that changes something and the changed assets are not in the same order as the esps. Many mods that are not NPC overhauls still come with the vanilla facegen in the esp for certain individuals, like Ulfric or Tullius. This will create the black face bug because it is overwriting the overhaul esp but not the overhauled assets. All NPC overhauls need to have the exact same load order for both the esp and the assets, otherwise, you end up with black faces.
You can find a lot more info on black face issues here: Merging NPC Overhauls made easy.
This is on latest FOMOD version
Did you uninstall the old version first as I instructed?
FOMOD Installer
BUT /yeahh... there's always a but, eh/... I have the beard problem when they talk. I have the Expressive Facial Animation -Male Edition and I also use Tempered skins. Also your mod is at the end of the load order - where is the problem ? :(
Your download order should be: (not load order but installation order)
Expressive Facegen Morphs
Expressive Facial Animations
High Poly Head
Well I suppose it's a bit confusing cause in the EFM mod page it's said "This mod replaces the morphs for the vanilla human and elf character creations and adds a morph for Racemenu." and first I decided that I don't need it cause it's only for the character creation. Also in the sticky you said that we don't need High poly head or it's more of a personal choice.
I'm in the process of adding hair .nifs to my NPC mods and that means I have to rebuild them. I am rebuilding using HPH V.4. Those WILL definitely require the two facial mods.
There you just drag and drop the mods according to the order they should be /or you want them to be/. aka load order is only for the right panel /the same in which we use LOOT/ and priority order is on the left side of the screen /in which we overwrite and prioritize/.
I loaded EFM then EFA then HPH then my mod.. I don't have a beard clipping issue anymore. If you don't want to try, then go for it. And overwriting isn't load order. These two are not the same thing.
If it doesn't work then the only thing I can think of is you have an animation mod that causing problems. The beard clipping when they talk is an animation issue.
I know that now it just WORKs lol - but it bugs me why Bishop redone was making funny things with your mod.
I am lost in the depths of skyrim modding.