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Here's an odd conundrum: What if the vampire NPC I'm trying to edit doesn't have a Keyword section? (Which is weird, I know.) Is there a way to add one? (I've never figured out how to do that in SSEEdit, though I have tried to.)
Well, I feel very dumb, but I still can't find it. I can find the keyword section on other things, but not this NPC.
And now... doubley dumb because I wanted to post an image in a spoiler but it kept telling me "the entered data is invalid" no matter where I uploaded the image to insert. *sigh* Well, here's a link then to a compiled screenshot of everything listed in the "Non-Player Character (Actor)" data in SSEEdit for this NPC.
You likely have Hide No Conflict & Empty Rows option enabled in SSE Edit... Trust me - every NPC has the Keywords line. I've added the necessary data to enable Bloodthirst for NPCs countless times so I know for a fact that it's there.
I believe you. I just don't know what I'm missing. =/ Your suggestion sounds awesome, though I don't see those exact toggles. I tried unticking Hide Ignored, Hide "Never Shown," and Hide Templated Fields on Actors (so no Hide options are ticked), as well as ticking Track All EditorID and unticking Remove OFST Offset Data when that didn't work (you can tell I have no idea what I'm doing).
Looks like my SSEEdit is one version out of date. Probably won't make any difference but I'll upgrade that and see. And if not, well, I'll give up on this NPC for the time being and look at him with fresh eyes later.
Thanks for helping me even though I've probably been quite frustrating. I really appreciate it.
Since this is all about xedit compatibility.... https://imgur.com/uJUoPJG
This is how to make Better Vampires, or any other Vampire mod compatible.
Copy the BV or whatever mod's version of the sun damage spell to your compatibility patch. This assigns BV as a master. Manually add Bloodthirst as master. Add BloodthirstResistDisease as last effect. Add conditions as shown.
Can you do this with Creation Kit? Also, can you recommend a video that shows how to use SSEdit for the type of modifications you are recommending? Thanks.
It's much easier to make these edits in SSE Edit. No video is needed given my guide being in step by step format. Not that hard at all. It's merely a matter of reading each step & following the instructions provided in each step. Doesn't get any simpler than that.
Tried and Tried but couldn't find video to explain how to use SSEdit, and so just gave up. But I did use the advice to do the same thing in CreationKit and it worked great. Thanks. I found out that with more than one Vampire Follower, only one will do the biting indoors after entering. Also, that with the mod Follower Commentary Overhaul on it would often prevent BloodThirst from working by making the follower talk right before they would begin to sneak.
Go to YouTube. Gamerpoets & Gopher both have videos on SSE Edit/Wrye Bash/LOOT/etc that explain everything you need to know in great detail.
Bloodthirst should be loaded as far down in the load order as possible for maximum compatibility. Also, make sure Bloodthirst loads below Better Vampires/Sacrosanct if either of those are installed so it takes priority.
Take that up with flexcreator, the original author... flexcreator explained to me a long ways back that there were issues some folks were having on LE that he needed to fix before he ports Bllodthirst to SSE himself. Of course, said "fixes" never materialized. This tutorial explains how to successfully port Bloodthirst over to SSE format in full detail. It's quite simple really.
Thank you for this. You my want to consider putting oshea14's post in sticky, because it has full text required to make this work. Again thank you and I love your guides :)
Thanks for responding. Your guide does not have the [bracketed parts] [SPEL:000F5B5D] [KYWD:00013796] [KYWD:000A82BB] Please forgive me if I'm coming across as complaining. I really do appreciate all your wonderful mods and guides. Thank you soooo much for sharing your creations and knowledge with the Skyrim community.
I used copy and paste. I guess if I had typed it I would have discovered that. Sorry about my confusion. I'm still green with using SSE Edit, still learning. Used your guide on Pandorable's Malora and she is now feasting. Thank You
Just recently came across this Mod/Post/Instruction Set and it's been a Godsend! For years I've had a problem where Bloodthirst would work with most NPC's but not all and could never figure out how/what to change! Even recently on the original LE site someone else had the same problem and I could point them in the right direction to fix it. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much !!!
Your load order is not correct if Bloodthirst isn't firing in your game. Either that or you didn't load Bloodthirst BELOW any vampire overhaul mod (Better Vampires/Sacrosanct/etc) in your load order...
Something isn't right with your setup. The mod works since I've employed it in my game for well over a year. Bloodthirst must load BELOW Better Vampires/and add-ons for Better Vampires for it to take effect. You obviously have a mod conflict somewhere. I use Sacrosanct since Better Vampires is extremely script-heavy...
Ported Bloodthirst, ran it through CK, checked the keywords for my followers, but no action. I do have Better Vampires NPC loaded. BloodThirst is near the bottom of my LO. Am I inpatient, or is there a conflict with Better Vampires? Thanks for your help.
Bloodthirst must load AFTER Better Vampires so it takes priority. The feeding is random. Make sure you have crVampireSunDamage "Weakness to Sunlight" set under Actor Effects in addition to the ActorTypeUndead & Vampire keywords under the Keywords section in SSE Edit (NPC tab).
These are already in the actor effects crVampireSunDamage "Weakness to Sunlight" [SPEL:000F5B5D] do I need to delete the last part? In the actor type there are two lines ActorTypeUndead [KYWD:00013796] and Vampire [KYWD:000A82BB] Not sure if I need to delete the last parts of those also
No. Those are what's needed to trigger Bloodthirst's scripts on a vampire NPC at random. Everything works on my end so you may have a mod conflict somewhere...
Bloodthirst should be loaded towards the BOTTOM of one's load order AFTER any vampire overhauls (Better Vampires/Sacrosanct/etc) in one's load order...
You will need to download/install the CK from Bethesda.net & convert the plugin to Form 44 in order to use it in SSE. flexcreator will not allow ports of Bloodthirst on Skyrim SE Nexus. His reason for this is due to him working on an updated version for SSE... This is why I provided my tutorial since flexcreator will not allow anyone to port his mod over to SSE Nexus...
Nexus policy dictates proper permissions must be obtained prior to porting any mod from Skyrim LE Nexus to Skyrim SE Nexus. Failure to do so will likely result in getting banned from the Nexus for mod theft...
Porting Bloodthirst for one's own personal use is a s simple as loading the .esp into the SSE CK & resaving it. That's about as simple as it gets...
However, to get Bloodthirst to apply to any Vampire NPCs/followers in one's game requires the procedure outlined in my tutorial I posted here. Not that hard to do using SSE Edit...
oh thank you i thoug it was only necesary to make the mod to form 44... So i have to do what you wrote even for vanilla npcs like serana and valerica? i will try later then.
That is correct. Bethesda was LAZY & didn't even bother adding the correct Actor Effect\Keywords to Serana or Valerica. Other vanilla\Dawnguard NPCs may also need to have these added as well...
Sorry for be like this but i never had done something like this, i am in ssedit and loaded skyrim and all dlcs and update, plus the unofficial patch, then searched for serana in non-player character actor in DLC dawnguard, then to the right im in "actor effects (shorted)" then see 3 lines wich looks like the skills of serana, in wich part of those i add the " crvampiresundamage "Weakness to Sunlight" " ?
Sorry i hope this comment can help ppl like me who know nothing about modding and would like to have this mod working.
Edit: i did it, i made right click in unofficial patch part and click in "add" then write the suggested in your guide, thank you i hope it works. Valerica has all the values correctly but serana dont.
How do I properly transfer Bloodthirst from Oldrim (43) to SE (44), please? Does it simply mean to Load oldrim bloodthirst into ck se and save? Or are there more spcific things to be done? Thanks for an advice in advance. :D
The only thing that needs converted is the .esp. Everything else will work right out of the box. Save the plugin (.esp) in the SSE CK & presto, you now have a fully-converted Bloodthirst - Vampire NPCs Can Feed for Skyrim SE.
I finally got Bloodthirst to work in my new play-through. Other vampire followers are now happily chewing at my neck, but Faye does not seem to do anything. She has the keywords, but I notice in her ESP she has an NPC "FayeClone". I can add the Actor Effects, but there are no keywords in this part. Anything I can look for extra, please?
The clone is the Faye that one fights in Falkreath's graveyard & should be disregarded... The required Actor Effect/Keywords need to go in their respective places under the Seductress Faye record under the NPC tab instead...
On your end? That sounds a little...painful. Perhaps it is because you have clean, non-furred arteries. Anyhow, it's not really worth pursuing. I've got something out of Bloodthirst at long last!
Lol. My vampire follower fed on Avulstein Greymane while he was talking to me. Amusing watching him talking while having his throat torn out. Faye? Still not a thing. Oh well.
None whatsoever. Here's my Faye esp and a pic of the closest she ever gets to feeding in game: https://postimg.cc/gallery/kkpjubi4/ (Post Image is being a bit weird right now - try opening the images in a new tab)
I just stumbled across this anecdote on an old "Better Vampires" note: "The standing feeding animation is very buggy in Skyrim itself, for example if there is any major height difference (i.e. vampire and/or victim are on stairs or slope) it simply won't play, and there is no reliable way of fixing this." Since Faye is somewhat shorter than my player, maybe that's the cause. I'll have a tinker with this and report back.
Now this is curious. Faye (now set at 1.000 height) crept up to a guard. Nothing happened except for a puddle of blood on the floor arriving. So she's almost working...
I replied back in the PM. But here it is just in case. Lately I have been using Immersive Amazing Follower Tweaks SE. I don't have the problems you seem to be having. My followers will sometimes sneak around too long if they happen to lock on a guard and the guard keeps walking and patrolling. For test purposes I like going to the bards college at around 4 pm and head right in the main hall. There are plenty of standing people around, and gives a decent chance for sneaking and biting. Also, I have the sneak stats on my followers maxed so that they will succeed better.
@oshea14: Make sure you have the PerkSkillBoosts perk added to your followers in their respective plugins... If PerkSkillBoosts isn't present, Stealth perks will not work on followers. Stupid Bethesda & their so-called "genius" design...
No. There's a perk called PerkSkillBoosts that allows followers to utilize Stealth, Lockpicking, Alchemy, etc... Without it, said perks will not apply to followers due to how Bethesda designed the perk system...
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And now... doubley dumb because I wanted to post an image in a spoiler but it kept telling me "the entered data is invalid" no matter where I uploaded the image to insert. *sigh* Well, here's a link then to a compiled screenshot of everything listed in the "Non-Player Character (Actor)" data in SSEEdit for this NPC.
Looks like my SSEEdit is one version out of date. Probably won't make any difference but I'll upgrade that and see. And if not, well, I'll give up on this NPC for the time being and look at him with fresh eyes later.
Thanks for helping me even though I've probably been quite frustrating. I really appreciate it.
Since this is all about xedit compatibility....
https://imgur.com/uJUoPJG
This is how to make Better Vampires, or any other Vampire mod compatible.
Copy the BV or whatever mod's version of the sun damage spell to your compatibility patch. This assigns BV as a master. Manually add Bloodthirst as master.
Add BloodthirstResistDisease as last effect. Add conditions as shown.
Also, can you recommend a video that shows how to use SSEdit for the type of modifications you are recommending?
Thanks.
But I did use the advice to do the same thing in CreationKit and it worked great.
Thanks.
I found out that with more than one Vampire Follower, only one will do the biting indoors after entering.
Also, that with the mod Follower Commentary Overhaul on it would often prevent BloodThirst from working by making the follower talk right before they would begin to sneak.
Bloodthirst should be loaded as far down in the load order as possible for maximum compatibility. Also, make sure Bloodthirst loads below Better Vampires/Sacrosanct if either of those are installed so it takes priority.
Actor Effects
crVampireSunDamage "Weakness to Sunlight" [SPEL:000F5B5D]
keyword
ActorTypeUndead [KYWD:00013796]
Vampire [KYWD:000A82BB]
Thank you for this. You my want to consider putting oshea14's post in sticky, because it has full text required to make this work.
Again thank you and I love your guides :)
02 February 2019, 11:58AMI found out needed to put these in, Se edit, to work.
Actor Effects
crVampireSunDamage "Weakness to Sunlight" [SPEL:000F5B5D]
keyword
ActorTypeUndead [KYWD:00013796]
Vampire [KYWD:000A82BB]
[SPEL:000F5B5D]
[KYWD:00013796]
[KYWD:000A82BB]
Please forgive me if I'm coming across as complaining. I really do appreciate all your wonderful mods and guides. Thank you soooo much for sharing your creations and knowledge with the Skyrim community.
oshea14
02 February 2019, 11:58AMI found out needed to put these in, Se edit, to work.
Actor Effects
crVampireSunDamage "Weakness to Sunlight" [SPEL:000F5B5D]
keyword
ActorTypeUndead [KYWD:00013796]
Vampire [KYWD:000A82BB]
and ils track but no action.
need help please.
tanks
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In the actor type there are two lines ActorTypeUndead [KYWD:00013796] and Vampire [KYWD:000A82BB] Not sure if I need to delete the last parts of those also
Porting Bloodthirst for one's own personal use is a s simple as loading the .esp into the SSE CK & resaving it. That's about as simple as it gets...
However, to get Bloodthirst to apply to any Vampire NPCs/followers in one's game requires the procedure outlined in my tutorial I posted here. Not that hard to do using SSE Edit...
Sorry i hope this comment can help ppl like me who know nothing about modding and would like to have this mod working.
Edit: i did it, i made right click in unofficial patch part and click in "add" then write the suggested in your guide, thank you i hope it works. Valerica has all the values correctly but serana dont.
Other vampire followers are now happily chewing at my neck, but Faye does not seem to do anything.
She has the keywords, but I notice in her ESP she has an NPC "FayeClone". I can add the Actor Effects, but there are no keywords in this part.
Anything I can look for extra, please?
Might have guessed it! Thank you.
Anyhow, it's not really worth pursuing. I've got something out of Bloodthirst at long last!
Faye? Still not a thing. Oh well.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kkpjubi4/
(Post Image is being a bit weird right now - try opening the images in a new tab)
"The standing feeding animation is very buggy in Skyrim itself, for example if there is any major height difference (i.e. vampire and/or victim are on stairs or slope) it simply won't play, and there is no reliable way of fixing this."
Since Faye is somewhat shorter than my player, maybe that's the cause. I'll have a tinker with this and report back.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/59132
Even got Amelia using this Vampire Lord form:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/89028
Lately I have been using Immersive Amazing Follower Tweaks SE.
I don't have the problems you seem to be having. My followers will sometimes sneak around too long if they happen to lock on a guard and the guard keeps walking and patrolling.
For test purposes I like going to the bards college at around 4 pm and head right in the main hall. There are plenty of standing people around, and gives a decent chance for sneaking and biting.
Also, I have the sneak stats on my followers maxed so that they will succeed better.
-oshea