i think what he meant was the architecture design style that didnt exist back then due to construction technology he probably noticed it was really obvious when the windows are designed for high rise buildings and there was a spot where the homeowner would need to climb out of window to service the festive ring where now it is no longer possible (you have a high rise building design elements for such a low roof) on the stage side of roof, those windows are very modern design that is very diffficult to manufacture and maintain because they dont have modern construction materials like sheetrock and power tools to cut the shapes. they used to make bay windows instead
Don't these windows look too modern? But this is the 15th century.
These windows look very modern, don't they? But this is the turn of the 16th-17th centuries. If sombody pull out a separate element from the whole, it can seem like anything.
in your pics if you examine closer, you will realize all the windows are large enough to get out. thats the primary method of people transporting materials and accessing maintainance. theres no lifts and people generally dont have ladders in their homes. heres an example, just to hang the festive stuff or just to clean bird poo .endarie needs purchase a ladder and has no place to store it or go to saymas room and use her window to jump on her own roof and back. makes you wonder how edarie built it in first place
the first pic is a modern sheetrock roof fyi ancient construction simply do not have the tools and flashing to keep it that shape and weather proof for such designs to simplify what i mean is that theres no power tools for materials that requires mass factory production to be able achieve such designs back then theres no home depo. nails and bolts would be insanely expensive and handmade, people would use wooden pegs, mortise and tenon they dont have cement or concrete, they would just use lime and someshit that is why it is a certain shape and design instead of nails, clay roof tiles are hanged on rafters held in position by gravity, this is why the design they all have modern roofs in the pics because restoration works, cheaper and easier for repairs i hope it helps you :) love your job regardless
The first pic is not 'modern sheetrock roof' at all, it’s just an ordinary medieval half-timbered structure. This is Albrecht Dürer's House in Nuremberg, built around 1420. Of course, over the 600 years of its existence, it was repaired and restored, this inevitably happened over such a long time, it was badly damaged during WW2, but was carefully restored.
from your links Timber framing (Holzfachwerk) and "post-and-beam" construction are traditional methods of building with heavy timbers, creating structures using squared-off and carefully fitted and joined timbers with joints secured by large wooden pegs. <---not bolts and nails
as i mentioned before, all restoration uses modern materials please review the pics in your links before it was destroyed in war its so modern you can zoom in and see the sheet copper flashing which IS a critical element for such roof design to even exist even that, 600 years ago is considered very modern considering the bible is only 6000years old (theres even cars in the pics)
i think your timeframe reference is too far away. you need to add a decimal and some more numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_history i hope this helps
I second the notion that they look modern, it's what got my attention in the Proudspire manor. I suggest making them arched on the top end. But otherwise great stuff, waiting/hoping for an AIO.
Do I disagree with you that these things made of shiny, polished metal look a little out of place? I agree with you that it would be better if they were wooden. There is one thing, I’m only giving a mesh replacer, but these things are drawn on the texture, I didn’t draw them like that. You should contact the author of the texture. There is no dispute.
These gutters are absolutely modern, and they are most likely made of plastic rather than copper. This house also has electricity, LED lights, running water, sewerage, fire alarms, CCTV cameras and many other modern things. Of course, these photos were taken in our time without the use of a time machine, so something modern was included in the frame. The structure of the building itself is well preserved and well restored, that’s very important.
When did gutters begin to be used in Northern Europe and what materials were used. Read the History section.
By the way, while we're talking about gutters, there are gutters in the concept art of Solitude buildings! It's a pity that they weren't implemented in the models. And in general, the art makes a much better impression than the final result, in my opinion.
We are talking about medieval European architecture, and you mean Biblical times, you should remember Atlantis:)
I second the notion that they look modern, it's what got my attention in the Proudspire manor. I suggest making them arched on the top end. But otherwise great stuff, waiting/hoping for an AIO.
Doesn’t the glass avant-corps on the Bremen City Hall (see photo above) seem too modern to you? So similar to modern office buildings! But in fact it was built 500 years ago:)))
i do not wish to end this with a sour taste there has been lots of misunderstanding for instance flashing is NOT gutter yes, even before biblical times even 14th century is way too modern. not to argue historical dates but as a rule of thumb, architecture that requires materials that in turn requires industrial process (anything you can buy from home depo) should be ruled out i would suggest you to refer to the hand tools found on the workbench in game and think about what a homeowner can build in 10 years with those tools and surrounding materials you reserve the creative rights to all your work but i do hope you take our feedback into consideration thanks for all your hard work!
Doesn’t the glass avant-corps on the Bremen City Hall (see photo above) seem too modern to you?
Not really, maybe just the center ones, since they don't have an arched top side. It's beside the point anyway, even if there is a historical example, such windows don't register as "old times" in my mind. Btw it's not the materials (texture) that's the problem, it's the narrow and vertical rectangular shape. An arched top side, like in vanilla, makes it feel more rustic.
Just nitpicking of course, overall it's still a huge improvement.
at the back of your mind is probably shouting somethings not right but you cant put a finger on it i'll tell you that the dragons on the roof are precision cnc or laser cut because back in the days, they carved it on a solid piece instead of 3d such intricate carvings without modern materials will just melt like a popsicle in the weather after the first winter the most mind boggling part is that they could repeat precisely for a position nobody can view up close most ordinary gamers do not know what to make of it because it is like when you texture a cannon with porcelain or wood for space ship. your mind doesnt see it for what it is because of the texture if you take your time and notice, you will see the new windows he changed dont even line up structurally and looks like they are flying or tacked on. these are the things that redflags at back of mind
im pretty sure most people finds it aesthetically pleasing because it is after all illogical, like an eye candy, a treat to the mind. like ai generated pictures
Yeah, I found that in English it’s called 'flashing', well,this thing is sold in the same department of the store as 'gutter', so the inaccuracy I made doesn't affect the meaning of what I said.
If Skyrim builders followed your advice and used in theirwork only the meager range of tools that are presented in the game, then their work wouldn't take 10 years at all, but would last until the Second Coming. By the way, has anyone met builders in Skyrim? Me not.
I cannot take into account something that either has nothingto do with the subject of my work, or is your unfounded IMHO.
i do not blame him for not knowing the glaring mistakes. some mistakes made by the original are even amplified in his version. example mistake is the porch roof beam exposed, this mistake is made by bethesda and he amplified it
Yeah, I found that in English it’s called 'flashing', well,this thing is sold in the same department of the store as 'gutter', so the inaccuracy I made doesn't affect the meaning of what I said.
If Skyrim builders followed your advice and used in theirwork only the meager range of tools that are presented in the game, then their work wouldn't take 10 years at all, but would last until the Second Coming. By the way, has anyone met builders in Skyrim? Me not.
I cannot take into account something that either has nothingto do with the subject of my work, or is your unfounded IMHO.
its alright to take pride in what you do and own up to the mistakes as well. you can watch some building techniques on yt to help you understand how it is made and how long it really takes watch 'amish barn build' very traditional non modern i believe this will make you make better stuff for game :)
*please check for your other mods too the roof protects the wood! NOT wood protects the roof i uploaded a picture for you (private use). i hope i contributed to you fixing the issues
i do not blame him for not knowing the glaring mistakes. some mistakes made by the original are even amplified in his version. example mistake is the porch roof beam exposed, this mistake is made by bethesda and he amplified it
This mistake cannot be corrected while remaining within the mesh replacer. If I add a pillar in that place, this will require changing the Navmesh, otherwise NPCs may get stuck bumping into this pillar. How did I amplified this glaring mistake? Maybe I removed another pillar? Don't be shy, tell me.
This mistake cannot be corrected while remaining within the mesh replacer. If I add a pillar in that place, this will require changing the Navmesh, otherwise NPCs may get stuck bumping into this pillar. How did I amplified this glaring mistake? Maybe I removed another pillar? Don't be shy, tell me.
i SHOW you. go look at uploaded picture DO NOT change/mod original if it is correct. smim make it better by more poly or realistic! not making it more high tech or changing the layout
new windows he changed dont even line up structurally and looks like they are flying or tacked on
If you mean two dormers, then this is your first remark with which I can agree, there is a composition mistake here.
the dragons on the roof are precision cnc or laser cut
such intricate carvings without modern materials
Lord, what other CNC precision, what other lasers and modern materials? What do you mean? Admit it, do you believe that the Egyptian pyramids were actually built by aliens?
Detail from the Oseberg ship
This carving is clearly made using UV lithography, the hands of a 9th century Norwegian savage are not capable of making such a thing, are they?
Lord, what other CNC precision, what other lasers and modern materials? What do you mean? Admit it, do you believe that the Egyptian pyramids were actually built by aliens?
Detail from the Oseberg ship
This carving is clearly made using UV lithography, the hands of a 9th century Norwegian savage are not capable of making such a thing, are they?
i was talking to redbag regarding about his gripes with your proudspire mod remember, roof protect the wood not the other way round he is griping about your decadent cnc dragons for birds in the sky thanks for taking time to read and look into the comments. you can further direct message me if you need someone to help spot potential mistakes and issues so we dont air dirty laundry in public (this is one of my smurf accounts) i dont like to take credit for any of my stuff
i was talking to redbag regarding about his gripes with your proudspire mod remember, roof protect the wood not the other way round he is griping about your decadent cnc dragons for birds in the sky
Hmm, i never said anything about the proudspire dragons, i think they look incredibly good. Just sharing my impression of the windows.
Edit: and if you look at my town mods you'll know i'm well familiar with bending what's possible with skyrim architecture :)
I second the notion that they look modern, it's what got my attention in the Proudspire manor. I suggest making them arched on the top end. But otherwise great stuff, waiting/hoping for an AIO.
maybe you forgot your own words. or perhaps it was an arched window?
Edit: you shouldnt pick answer A or B and just say you do not want to be involved next time
thanks for taking time to read and look into the comments. you can further direct message me if you need someone to help spot potential mistakes and issues
You misunderstand the goal that I set for myself, so you are looking in my houses for something that is not and cannot be there. I like Solitude, its special atmosphere and indescribable charm, I like the Rock Arch despite the fact that it is completely unrealistic, I like its architecture despite the fact that it was made completely wrong from an engineering point of view. I set myself three main goals, all of them are in the Description of my mods:
1. Add a few small details because 12 year old models look too low poly and rough nowadays 2. Roof gables and ridges in vanilla are absolutely the same, I made a couple more options 3. Added chimneys
At the same time, I tried to work with the utmost care and precision in order to preserve as much as possible the atmosphere and spirit of Solitude, which I loved so much.
I did not at all set myself the goal of making a realistic, engineering-correct architecture. I did not write this in the description and did not declare this to anyone anywhere. Even if such a goal is set, I am not sure that this can be achieved through a deep redesign of existing models. Of course, it is possible to throw out the existing architecture and develop a completely new, realistic and correct one, but what will remain of our beloved Solitude in it?
while we appreciate your attempts, do not be arrogant for your mistakes i have no misunderstanding and cleared all the issues above.
you reserve the creative rights to all your work
please do not willful misunderstand, i have been very courteous here but if you insist on being right, all you need to do is approve the picture i posted to public view for the sake of your own satisfaction and public approval or judgement
its totally fine if you dont respect me but when you dont respect physics, logic and gravity. wildly pasting creative s#*! is why
i wont be taking up your time any further have a good day sir
Thank you for your feedback, I am very pleased that you paid attention to my work. It seems to me that your reproach is misplaced. These nails are borrowed from the original models, use the snail01.dds texture and their appearance depends on the retexture you have installed. On the vanilla texture this material looks like rusty iron, the author of Skyland (my screenshots) likes stainless steel better, well, that’s how he likes it. Change the texture and these nails will look something different.
I see mods from Drengin and immediately download them. Without thinking for a minute. Incredible work! Looking forward to similar mods for Witherun and Windhelm
Amazing mod :) If you do all of solitude you may yet make it worthy of being called the capital city! and fix an old eyesore for us all It is an amazing undertaking your starting here and if you would like help for testing or art stuff like texture editing I can help! (Im an experienced digital artist) Anyways! thank you for the visual splendor!
Thanks a lot. I just added a few small details where there is an acute lack of them. The models of twelve years ago look too simple and crude nowadays.
you must love solitude. I just discovered download all of them thanks. I love nif only replacers. im thinking about downloading the tower and blue palance aswell though theyre nice
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he probably noticed it was really obvious when the windows are designed for high rise buildings and there was a spot where the homeowner would need to climb out of window to service the festive ring where now it is no longer possible
(you have a high rise building design elements for such a low roof)
on the stage side of roof, those windows are very modern design that is very diffficult to manufacture and maintain because they dont have modern construction materials like sheetrock and power tools to cut the shapes.
they used to make bay windows instead
Don't these windows look too modern? But this is the 15th century.
These windows look very modern, don't they? But this is the turn of the 16th-17th centuries.
If sombody pull out a separate element from the whole, it can seem like anything.
heres an example, just to hang the festive stuff or just to clean bird poo .endarie needs purchase a ladder and has no place to store it or go to saymas room and use her window to jump on her own roof and back. makes you wonder how edarie built it in first place
the first pic is a modern sheetrock roof fyi
ancient construction simply do not have the tools and flashing to keep it that shape and weather proof for such designs
to simplify what i mean is that theres no power tools for materials that requires mass factory production to be able achieve such designs back then theres no home depo.
nails and bolts would be insanely expensive and handmade, people would use wooden pegs, mortise and tenon
they dont have cement or concrete, they would just use lime and someshit that is why it is a certain shape and design
instead of nails, clay roof tiles are hanged on rafters held in position by gravity, this is why the design
they all have modern roofs in the pics because restoration works, cheaper and easier for repairs
i hope it helps you :) love your job regardless
This is Albrecht Dürer's House in Nuremberg, built around 1420. Of course, over the 600 years of its existence, it was repaired and restored, this inevitably happened over such a long time, it was badly damaged during WW2, but was carefully restored.
Timber framing (Holzfachwerk) and "post-and-beam" construction are traditional methods of building with heavy timbers, creating structures using squared-off and carefully fitted and joined timbers with joints secured by large wooden pegs. <---not bolts and nails
as i mentioned before, all restoration uses modern materials
please review the pics in your links before it was destroyed in war
its so modern you can zoom in and see the sheet copper flashing which IS a critical element for such roof design to even exist
even that, 600 years ago is considered very modern considering the bible is only 6000years old (theres even cars in the pics)
i think your timeframe reference is too far away. you need to add a decimal and some more numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_history
i hope this helps
These gutters are absolutely modern, and they are most likely made of plastic rather than copper. This house also has electricity, LED lights, running water, sewerage, fire alarms, CCTV cameras and many other modern things. Of course, these photos were taken in our time without the use of a time machine, so something modern was included in the frame. The structure of the building itself is well preserved and well restored, that’s very important.
When did gutters begin to be used in Northern Europe and what materials were used. Read the History section.
By the way, while we're talking about gutters, there are gutters in the concept art of Solitude buildings! It's a pity that they weren't implemented in the models. And in general, the art makes a much better impression than the final result, in my opinion.
We are talking about medieval European architecture, and you mean Biblical times, you should remember Atlantis:)
Doesn’t the glass avant-corps on the Bremen City Hall (see photo above) seem too modern to you? So similar to modern office buildings! But in fact it was built 500 years ago:)))
there has been lots of misunderstanding for instance flashing is NOT gutter
yes, even before biblical times even 14th century is way too modern.
not to argue historical dates but as a rule of thumb, architecture that requires materials that in turn requires industrial process (anything you can buy from home depo) should be ruled out
i would suggest you to refer to the hand tools found on the workbench in game and think about what a homeowner can build in 10 years with those tools and surrounding materials
you reserve the creative rights to all your work
but i do hope you take our feedback into consideration
thanks for all your hard work!
Just nitpicking of course, overall it's still a huge improvement.
i'll tell you that the dragons on the roof are precision cnc or laser cut because back in the days, they carved it on a solid piece instead of 3d
such intricate carvings without modern materials will just melt like a popsicle in the weather after the first winter
the most mind boggling part is that they could repeat precisely for a position nobody can view up close
most ordinary gamers do not know what to make of it because it is like when you texture a cannon with porcelain or wood for space ship. your mind doesnt see it for what it is because of the texture
if you take your time and notice, you will see the new windows he changed dont even line up structurally and looks like they are flying or tacked on. these are the things that redflags at back of mind
im pretty sure most people finds it aesthetically pleasing because it is after all illogical, like an eye candy, a treat to the mind. like ai generated pictures
inaccuracy I made doesn't affect the meaning of what I said.
If Skyrim builders followed your advice and used in theirwork only the meager range of tools that are presented in the game, then their work
wouldn't take 10 years at all, but would last until the Second Coming. By the
way, has anyone met builders in Skyrim? Me not.
I cannot take into account something that either has nothingto do with the subject of my work, or is your unfounded IMHO.
example mistake is the porch roof beam exposed, this mistake is made by bethesda and he amplified it
you can watch some building techniques on yt to help you understand how it is made and how long it really takes
watch 'amish barn build' very traditional non modern
i believe this will make you make better stuff for game :)
*please check for your other mods too
the roof protects the wood! NOT wood protects the roof
i uploaded a picture for you (private use). i hope i contributed to you fixing the issues
DO NOT change/mod original if it is correct. smim make it better by more poly or realistic! not making it more high tech or changing the layout
If you mean two dormers, then this is your first remark with which I can agree, there is a composition mistake here.
Lord, what other CNC precision, what other lasers and modern materials? What do you mean? Admit it, do you believe that the Egyptian pyramids were actually built by aliens?
Detail from the Oseberg ship
This carving is clearly made using UV lithography, the hands of a 9th century Norwegian savage are not capable of making such a thing, are they?
remember, roof protect the wood not the other way round
he is griping about your decadent cnc dragons for birds in the sky
thanks for taking time to read and look into the comments.
you can further direct message me if you need someone to help spot potential mistakes and issues
so we dont air dirty laundry in public
(this is one of my smurf accounts) i dont like to take credit for any of my stuff
Edit: and if you look at my town mods you'll know i'm well familiar with bending what's possible with skyrim architecture :)
or perhaps it was an arched window?
Edit: you shouldnt pick answer A or B and just say you do not want to be involved next time
you can further direct message me if you need someone to help spot potential mistakes and issues
1. Add a few small details because 12 year old models look too low poly and rough nowadays
2. Roof gables and ridges in vanilla are absolutely the same, I made a couple more options
3. Added chimneys
At the same time, I tried to work with the utmost care and precision in order to preserve as much as possible the atmosphere and spirit of Solitude, which I loved so much.
I did not at all set myself the goal of making a realistic, engineering-correct architecture. I did not write this in the description and did not declare this to anyone anywhere. Even if such a goal is set, I am not sure that this can be achieved through a deep redesign of existing models. Of course, it is possible to throw out the existing architecture and develop a completely new, realistic and correct one, but what will remain of our beloved Solitude in it?
i have no misunderstanding and cleared all the issues above.
please do not willful misunderstand, i have been very courteous here
but if you insist on being right, all you need to do is approve the picture i posted to public view
for the sake of your own satisfaction and public approval or judgement
its totally fine if you dont respect me
but when you dont respect physics, logic and gravity. wildly pasting creative s#*! is why
i wont be taking up your time any further
have a good day sir
The big iron nails 2d texture look out of place.
Other than that, awesome
https://i.goopics.net/id1p59.jpg
back in the days they used tenon and mortise joinery instead of bolt and nails
edit : the fault was not the texture (specific to each setup) but the fact that these nails seem really too big to me.
It is an amazing undertaking your starting here and if you would like help for testing or art stuff like texture editing I can help! (Im an experienced digital artist)
Anyways! thank you for the visual splendor!
I just added a few small details where there is an acute lack of them. The models of twelve years ago look too simple and crude nowadays.
I just discovered download all of them thanks. I love nif only replacers.
im thinking about downloading the tower and blue palance aswell though theyre nice