This is a pretty extensive overhaul that should fix a number of issues. I still haven't tackled the deleted navmeshes, but this should still make things significantly more stable.
Completely reworked Pyandonea in a number of ways: >Replaced all Harpooner beetles with an entirely new model (using Skinwalker 21's "Shalks") so they use frostbit spider animation. >Changed the serpents back to the old Horker-rigged version. The dragon version was causing huge issues. I also love the way the serpents waddle around on land but then swim realistically in water. I did remove their flippers, so they at least sort of look serpentine. >Removed all of the old palm trees that came from Moonpath to Elswehr. These models were extrememly un-optimized, and very large, meaning they ate up a huge amount of memory. I switched to a more conventional palm tree that is much more system-friendly. >Went through and removed a TON of NPCs. There was just way too much going on in the worldspace. >Removed all of Mihail's wasps except for the one nest on Dagaan's Road. They were way too intensive. >I also had a huge amount of dragonfly and salmon spawners around the village, pretty sure those were causing big issues. >Removed the "snow" shader effect on Orgnum's Palace (which was made using the Sovngarde assets.) Not sure how much that helped, but it should at least look better. >I reworked all of the Maormer assets to make them less saturated; they were a little too brightly colored. >I also reworked all the Maormer items to require new materials, Salt Steel and Sea Glass. Salt Steel is just a special form of ingot created using (you guessed it!) salt. Sea Glass can be found in deposits along the coast underwater. >Added three different crossbow ammo types for the Maormer: regular salt steel arrows, the original electrified arrows, and Harpooner Beetle barbs that can be looted from dead beetles. >Added two additional rooms in Orgnum's Palace. One is just a bedroom for King Orgnum, and the other is a forge/workshop area. >Reworked and cleaned up the navmeshes so things should be a little smoother.
Reworked the Final Battle in Rlyeh: >Removed all of the "Apocrypha Tentacle" spawners on the boats. Apparently those trigger boxes firing every time an NPC walked through them was killing my memory. >Removed a ton of NPCs. There was just way to much happening out there. >Removed a bunch of unusable spells from Cthulhu and other monsters. I think at least one reason for the CTDs is when an NPC tries to use a spell it physically can't. >Reworked the Navmeshes around the whole battle. >Reworked a lot of Navmeshes in the city of Rlyeh. >Changing the Serpents and Harpooners helps this area as well.
Other fixes: >Moved the Yellow King. Now it is further out of the harbor, so it will not overlap with any of the popular "dock" mods. >Reduced The Hunter's idle chatter frequency, so he won't comment so much. >Reworked monster scaling so their hitboxes should be a little friendlier. >Added a mini-boss Moon Beast creature called Mormo on the Black Galleys. >Added a few workarounds when you go talk to Delmus, in case he gets lost or killed (but he shouldn't because he's protected.) Worst case scenario you can just kill the Ruddy Man on your own, or just go straight to Marsh's warehouse and skip that section completely. >Added various letters and notes to add some more clues. >Completely reworked Skar to bring him more in line with the Emperor Crab added by the Creation Club. This version is much more impressive. Also added a living Emperor Crab that is prowling around in the ocean around Solstheim. >Fixed the Necronomicon so that you can actually pick it up in Innsmouth. >Added an option to "wear" the Necronomicon, either on your belt or hold in your hand (as a ring.) This will grant some major magic buffs. The wearable versions get added when you pick up the book. (Technically you can wear both options at the same time, which doesn't really make sense but I wasn't going to waste time to try to stop that.) >Added some little creepy mini versions of shoggoths. >Tweaked the Leng portion so that you can return through the Vale of Pnoth into the cemetery, and then travel back to the Arcanaeum, and it will still work. >Tweaked the quest scripting so things should go a little more smoothly.
I'm sure there are a number of other little tweaks and edits that I'm not remembering. All in all I think I have made some massive improvements. I was able to play through the entire quest start to finish without any major issues, and my rig isn't exactly top of the line. I do still occasionally get a crash in the final battle if I let things drag on too long, but I think that's just vanilla Skyrim issues. I hope this makes things work better for everyone. As always, let me know if you run into issues!
As far as updating mid-game goes, this DOES tweak a number of scripts, including quest fragments, so it is probably best if you do a clean install.
This is just a quick hotfix to remove the duplicate scripts from Here There Be Monsters. This does NOT fix all the issues in Pyandonea; I am still working on that. This will keep this mod from messing up the scripting in the first mod.
Did a few more tweaks to try and reduce crashes in Pyandonea. I noticed that I had made a custom "bow" and ammo for the Harpooner Beetles. I changed that back to the default version; they are now functionally just retextured Dwemer Ballistae. That may have been causing issues. I also re-produced all of the Navmeshes in the Pyandonea worldspace. I also had issues with the Sea Serpents spawning a hundred feet in the air; that may have been causing crashes. I think I fixed them so they spawn a little below the ground instead. I also fixed some tears and sharp edges in the landscape; that might help. I was able to walk from the palace all the way to Baga without crashing, so it seems to have done something! I also removed some of the effects on Cthulhu's attacks to see if that reduces crashing while fighting him. Let me know if you still have issues.
So it seems like a lot of people have been having issues in areas where the Sea Elves are involved (sounds like it's more of an issue on SSE, but I'm fixing both.) I thought one possible cause could be the Harpooner Beetles, but really they are just retextured Ballistas so I can't imagine that was the issue. They DID have an alpha map to remove some of the mechanical parts, so I removed that to see if it would help. The other issue is that the Weresharks were wigging out like crazy, which I'm sure caused some issues. I apparently had "allow ragdoll collision" checked in the Race profile, which was causing the crazy physics. That has been fixed. Not sure if this will alleviate all of the issues, but it should help at least. Let me know if it helps.
Holy crap, that's some update. Is there something similar in the works for Sign of Cipactli? This series has been out of my load order for a while cause of these two's issues so I'm really looking forward to playing them again.
when i sort my plugins with MO2 this is the message i get for this mod could you possibly fix the deleted navemeshes files
SSEEdit v4.0.3h (Hotfix 1) found 273 ITM record(s), 0 deleted reference(s) and 73 deleted navmesh(es). It is strongly recommended not to use mods that contain deleted navmeshes as they're known to cause crashes. Deleted navmeshes must be corrected manually (a complex process that should be done by the mod author). More information on deleted navmeshes is provided here.
An amazing mod! Power level in its story is insane. I really wish it could be played without the first part, though. It works great as a standalone mod!
?Hello! First of all, just wanted to add to the choir of voices proclaiming this mod is awesome, because it is. And second... could someone give me a heads up on what you can expect from joining the cult side? I'd assume you kill everyone that fights alongside you in the "good" ending and probably get some kind of Cthulhu-summoning power, while Yog Sothoth claps his tentacles enthusiastically - am I right and is there anything else? I'm considering doing this on one of my evil playthroughs, but I'd love a bit of extra information to decide just what kind of evil woud fit the best here :D
Basically instead of fighting each of the major monsters, you unleash them. And they are just there forever, destroying everything. So Solstheim becomes a bit . . . destroyed.
I believe I have some leads on what is wrong in Pyandonea. One issue is that vanilla Dwarven Ballista automatons are inherently broken; there is a missing collision that can cause CTDs. This generally isn't a huge deal because you only ever encounter one or two, but in Pyandonea I have a Sea Elf version so there are many more crawling around. I think that is a part of it. I also have some sea serpents that are based off of the Serpent Dragon, but using Mihail's snake skeleton which magically deletes their wings and legs. I'm fairly certain this is a very BAD way to do things, and could also be a huge issue. All of this happens in the final battle with Cthulhu as well, since there is a sizable Sea Elf faction there. I'm not sure how quickly I'll be able to look into all this and try to fix it, but it's definitely on my radar.
In my part, I can't seem to get that Stormcloak Soldier to spawn. :( Any ideas of why this is happening?
Edit: Turns out, she was underneath the platform and the objects took long to spawn. So I moved her with Moveto player to where she's suppose to be, and now I found her. Now I can talk to her about the Hunter.
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This is a pretty extensive overhaul that should fix a number of issues. I still haven't tackled the deleted navmeshes, but this should still make things significantly more stable.
Completely reworked Pyandonea in a number of ways:
>Replaced all Harpooner beetles with an entirely new model (using Skinwalker 21's "Shalks") so they use frostbit spider animation.
>Changed the serpents back to the old Horker-rigged version. The dragon version was causing huge issues. I also love the way the serpents waddle around on land but then swim realistically in water. I did remove their flippers, so they at least sort of look serpentine.
>Removed all of the old palm trees that came from Moonpath to Elswehr. These models were extrememly un-optimized, and very large, meaning they ate up a huge amount of memory. I switched to a more conventional palm tree that is much more system-friendly.
>Went through and removed a TON of NPCs. There was just way too much going on in the worldspace.
>Removed all of Mihail's wasps except for the one nest on Dagaan's Road. They were way too intensive.
>I also had a huge amount of dragonfly and salmon spawners around the village, pretty sure those were causing big issues.
>Removed the "snow" shader effect on Orgnum's Palace (which was made using the Sovngarde assets.) Not sure how much that helped, but it should at least look better.
>I reworked all of the Maormer assets to make them less saturated; they were a little too brightly colored.
>I also reworked all the Maormer items to require new materials, Salt Steel and Sea Glass. Salt Steel is just a special form of ingot created using (you guessed it!) salt. Sea Glass can be found in deposits along the coast underwater.
>Added three different crossbow ammo types for the Maormer: regular salt steel arrows, the original electrified arrows, and Harpooner Beetle barbs that can be looted from dead beetles.
>Added two additional rooms in Orgnum's Palace. One is just a bedroom for King Orgnum, and the other is a forge/workshop area.
>Reworked and cleaned up the navmeshes so things should be a little smoother.
Reworked the Final Battle in Rlyeh:
>Removed all of the "Apocrypha Tentacle" spawners on the boats. Apparently those trigger boxes firing every time an NPC walked through them was killing my memory.
>Removed a ton of NPCs. There was just way to much happening out there.
>Removed a bunch of unusable spells from Cthulhu and other monsters. I think at least one reason for the CTDs is when an NPC tries to use a spell it physically can't.
>Reworked the Navmeshes around the whole battle.
>Reworked a lot of Navmeshes in the city of Rlyeh.
>Changing the Serpents and Harpooners helps this area as well.
Other fixes:
>Moved the Yellow King. Now it is further out of the harbor, so it will not overlap with any of the popular "dock" mods.
>Reduced The Hunter's idle chatter frequency, so he won't comment so much.
>Reworked monster scaling so their hitboxes should be a little friendlier.
>Added a mini-boss Moon Beast creature called Mormo on the Black Galleys.
>Added a few workarounds when you go talk to Delmus, in case he gets lost or killed (but he shouldn't because he's protected.) Worst case scenario you can just kill the Ruddy Man on your own, or just go straight to Marsh's warehouse and skip that section completely.
>Added various letters and notes to add some more clues.
>Completely reworked Skar to bring him more in line with the Emperor Crab added by the Creation Club. This version is much more impressive. Also added a living Emperor Crab that is prowling around in the ocean around Solstheim.
>Fixed the Necronomicon so that you can actually pick it up in Innsmouth.
>Added an option to "wear" the Necronomicon, either on your belt or hold in your hand (as a ring.) This will grant some major magic buffs. The wearable versions get added when you pick up the book. (Technically you can wear both options at the same time, which doesn't really make sense but I wasn't going to waste time to try to stop that.)
>Added some little creepy mini versions of shoggoths.
>Tweaked the Leng portion so that you can return through the Vale of Pnoth into the cemetery, and then travel back to the Arcanaeum, and it will still work.
>Tweaked the quest scripting so things should go a little more smoothly.
I'm sure there are a number of other little tweaks and edits that I'm not remembering. All in all I think I have made some massive improvements. I was able to play through the entire quest start to finish without any major issues, and my rig isn't exactly top of the line. I do still occasionally get a crash in the final battle if I let things drag on too long, but I think that's just vanilla Skyrim issues. I hope this makes things work better for everyone. As always, let me know if you run into issues!
As far as updating mid-game goes, this DOES tweak a number of scripts, including quest fragments, so it is probably best if you do a clean install.
This is just a quick hotfix to remove the duplicate scripts from Here There Be Monsters. This does NOT fix all the issues in Pyandonea; I am still working on that. This will keep this mod from messing up the scripting in the first mod.
Did a few more tweaks to try and reduce crashes in Pyandonea. I noticed that I had made a custom "bow" and ammo for the Harpooner Beetles. I changed that back to the default version; they are now functionally just retextured Dwemer Ballistae. That may have been causing issues. I also re-produced all of the Navmeshes in the Pyandonea worldspace. I also had issues with the Sea Serpents spawning a hundred feet in the air; that may have been causing crashes. I think I fixed them so they spawn a little below the ground instead. I also fixed some tears and sharp edges in the landscape; that might help. I was able to walk from the palace all the way to Baga without crashing, so it seems to have done something! I also removed some of the effects on Cthulhu's attacks to see if that reduces crashing while fighting him. Let me know if you still have issues.
So it seems like a lot of people have been having issues in areas where the Sea Elves are involved (sounds like it's more of an issue on SSE, but I'm fixing both.) I thought one possible cause could be the Harpooner Beetles, but really they are just retextured Ballistas so I can't imagine that was the issue. They DID have an alpha map to remove some of the mechanical parts, so I removed that to see if it would help. The other issue is that the Weresharks were wigging out like crazy, which I'm sure caused some issues. I apparently had "allow ragdoll collision" checked in the Race profile, which was causing the crazy physics. That has been fixed. Not sure if this will alleviate all of the issues, but it should help at least. Let me know if it helps.
Alright, a few more important updates. Took me a minute to get it figured out:
>Makes Sea Serpents "protected" so that they will not sky spawn and die.
>Figured out why Leng was crashing; turns out SE really didn't like rendering entire crates of rubies at one time.
?Hello! First of all, just wanted to add to the choir of voices proclaiming this mod is awesome, because it is. And second... could someone give me a heads up on what you can expect from joining the cult side? I'd assume you kill everyone that fights alongside you in the "good" ending and probably get some kind of Cthulhu-summoning power, while Yog Sothoth claps his tentacles enthusiastically - am I right and is there anything else? I'm considering doing this on one of my evil playthroughs, but I'd love a bit of extra information to decide just what kind of evil woud fit the best here :DI believe I have some leads on what is wrong in Pyandonea. One issue is that vanilla Dwarven Ballista automatons are inherently broken; there is a missing collision that can cause CTDs. This generally isn't a huge deal because you only ever encounter one or two, but in Pyandonea I have a Sea Elf version so there are many more crawling around. I think that is a part of it. I also have some sea serpents that are based off of the Serpent Dragon, but using Mihail's snake skeleton which magically deletes their wings and legs. I'm fairly certain this is a very BAD way to do things, and could also be a huge issue. All of this happens in the final battle with Cthulhu as well, since there is a sizable Sea Elf faction there. I'm not sure how quickly I'll be able to look into all this and try to fix it, but it's definitely on my radar.
Any ideas of why this is happening?
Edit: Turns out, she was underneath the platform and the objects took long to spawn. So I moved her with Moveto player to where she's suppose to be, and now I found her. Now I can talk to her about the Hunter.
EDIT: Ignore. Not 10 minutes after posting this I figured it out.
They key was to follow my normal Skyrim instinct of heading for territory that from a distance appeared open and empty. "Something must be there."