I have read the description and all the comments and I can not see what changes you made. According to your screen shots you removed the DOF effect? And left it alone in another? How does your mod make this more real. Just asking.
I entirely modified the enbseries.ini, i linked project ENB because i inspired my settings to it and because you need it and i uploaded only the enbseries.ini, i think i do not need permissions to upload an enbseries.ini file because it's free to use and it's from Boris, so i should only take permisssions from him.
Its a grey area,but if you have used someone else's work as a base its good manners to ask them, after all you didn't start from a blank slate so someone else did most the hard work.
Sorry, but i think you haven't seen the title: Realistic ENB Settings - Inspired by Project ENB And the required files as well: Project ENB Required Should i link it 1000 times? i don't think so.
No offence meant, but you're totally wrong. According to Boris, each setup's settings belong to their author only, I can confirm that plainly, do believe my word. You definitely need Bronze316's permission to : 1 - Modify his files 2 - Link to his preset
if you don't want to do that,make a new text file,copy-paste everything in the modifed enbseries.ini that you uploaded here,into that new text file,go to its propertis and name yourself as the author,save it,upload it here,and remove the old file,there you go,you just made an undeniebly original enbseries.ini. and NO ONE can tell you otherwise,because there is no proof that this was taken from another preset,AKA you could have wroten it all from the scratch. people might not be stupid enough to fall for that,but legally,no one can claim this wasn't your work and your work alone,even if it by all means is simmilar to another preset.
HOWEVER,i agree with some fellows,that you should have consulted the original author.but legally,they have no right to tell you that you MUST have done that.
and if you want to make it even harder for people to object,simply find the version of ENB that the preset the original mod used by checking your game once it loads,download it by yourself,change the ini with the ini from that version,credit boris,reupload the whole thing(2.5MB at most),and your done.
Yes, and I can't believe the increasing amount of drama people like you try to introduce to the site. We certainly need more hissy fits and 'leaving' the nexus.
@myztikrice : Yeah, sure : call basic respect ' drama '. Thanx for proving me right. Unlike what you did, there was no personal attack in my comment, just that something stated was wrong, that's all. And who's talking about ' drama ' ? ' Hissy fits ' ?? O_o Seriously....
Hey folks! There's no need for arguing, let me say a "few" words.
First things first, thanks to Quadrefoil for liking Project ENB and wanting to make some modifications to the settings. You gave me some credit and that's cool, you handled it well.
The enbseries.ini you used is "based off" Project ENB, and after you made some legitimate changes, it becomes yours. If you would've uploaded my entire preset with minimal changes to the core files, then that's a different story and I probably would not allow it.
I hope everyone can understand my perspective.
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@myztikrice,
Did it ever occur to you that comments like yours are part of the reason why some people have left the Nexus? There are lot of disrespectful comments posted on this site and who wants to read that stuff? Not me, not you, not anyone. Really, your post has no relevance at all , it's just rude. There isn't any point to that.....
@Kyo,
Howdy "partner", thanks for defending my honor. Maybe (with luck) others can follow in your example. In the meantime, when I see posts like these it makes me want to distance myself from the Nexus. It's bad enough that I don't answer PM's anymore.....I understand your reasons for leaving all too well.
FFS... I can't believe the drama I'm seeing and name calling. This is simply out of control. Here's the issue, beginning and end. I will make this post and then message Bronze about it.
Quadrefoil, you did not, as you claim, make a new ENB preset. Also, to call an ENB preset "not really a mod" is simply showing your lack of understanding as to what goes into presets. Hundreds of hours, sometimes more. What you have is a (maybe) heavily modified enbseries.ini. The enbseries.ini is just the fine tweaking area of the actual preset. The real heart of a preset is in the shaders, the .fx files. What you have done is simply made a different fine tuning. And no where do you even credit Bronze316. It is literally this kind of behavior, as Kyo stated, that causes authors to leave. Just look around the nexus and you will find many an author who has left for more or less exactly what you've done. Some leave their files, some don't. And the audacity people have in saying it's their work or whatever is sickening. You say this took you a day? I know for a fact from personal correspondence with Bronze that he's been working on his files for well over a year. No respect man. You can say it's yours but not even giving credit is just plain underhanded man. If Bronze wants to take this up with the administration, well, we all know what'll happen.
Should i really write to Bronze316 that i edited the enbseries.ini and i've integrated it with Project ENB one? I've given credits everywhere to Bronze316 here cause i linked his mod, i made it as required, i written it in the title! Yeah, if you want i'll write this to him, but WOW! Is really this kind of things that made this community bad? But hey! I mean, i really haven't stolen anything from Bronze316 work! I only did a new enbseries.ini to use with Project ENB ONLY and i posted it, so why should i write this to Bronze316, and why should he send it to the administration?? WHY?? In any case i'll do it, i'll send this to Bronze and i'll see what he will say about that. I only wanted to share my idea of realistic lightning of ENB, but i can see that everyone has to say something that is not corresponding to the rules actually...
I don't want the mod deleted nor did I ever say or imply I did. I have only stated that credit needs to be given where credit is due. Before I wrote this, there was nowhere on your description page or the credits/permissions link mentioning Bronze' name or that Project ENB is his work and property. That's changed since I posted so thank you. Also, since it's only an enbseries.ini file and not .fx files, then it's fair to manipulate and upload, as told by the admins. Basically, we were in a gray area about rights and permissions and the powers that be have spoken regarding permissions and credit has been given where it's due, so, hurray! It's all good.
I never meant this to be a personal attack on you. As has been stated before, things LIKE this, though a bit more aggregious, have pushed modders out of modding, not just ENB, so those of us who've been around and seen it happen, particularly in the ENB scene are perhaps more defensive than we need to be. Sorry for any offense, none was intended, and thanks for giving credit to Bronze. Now hopefully this comment thread can calm down and we can all just sit back and relax.
Don't know about permission state but I believe Kyo is right about it.
However,in your required mods you write ELFX and RLO...I know that these two mods won't give the best visuals ingame,unless some of their plugins are disabled. So,first speak with Bronze and second clarify about using two so different lighting overhauls.
Because you can choose one of them or activate both, i have both activated and works fine for me. In the other way, i do not understand why should i ask for permissions with Bronze316: i totally modified the original enbsettings.ini, but i tested it with Project ENB's other files, i mean the other files from Project ENB... So i first downloaded Bronze's mod then i overwritted the Project ENB's enbseries.ini with vanilla one and i've entirely modified it with in-game ENB preset editor. The only thing that i should refer to Bronze is that i was inspired by his style, so i modified the enbseries.ini to look like Project ENB one, but more realistic and less cinematic. I mean, i made my own enbseries.ini, so why sould i refer this to Bronze? Sorry, but i cannot understand this. I wanted to update this preset, i was also modifing it before, but if you ask for delete, i'll do it, no problem...
I've uploaded a new version, try it. I mean about all parameters are by me, some are enb default and a few similar to project enb, but hey guys, you are accusing me for something i've never made and losing time behind an insignificant mod and an ENB preset is not really considered a mod so... what are we talking about? If you want to discuss my other mod ok, but this... is only an enb preset...
Its about respect for each other,nothing to do with legal crap,its about saying hay mate i took your ENB and ive changed it in fact there isn't much left but i thought id let you know,ps hope you don't mind me putting it up i will of course give you credit.Thats it,its no biggy its how we do things.We have and have had a lot of good people on here but a lot have left because people thought it was ok to take their hard work change a little bit of it and say hey look guys i've made a mod.
Do as you will, as someone said its not hard to just make it look like you did it all, but i would ask that you just stop and think about others hard work as well as your own and be apart of our community rather than "apart" from it.
Hey man, you're totally right, but why do you think i've stolen Bronze hard work? Hey, i modified every damned line of this damned enbseries.ini! It took 1 day of work! Do i not deserve some respect? I've not grabbed anyone work, ok? Let me out of it!
Download it and compare with "Realistic" preset of Project ENB, you will notice that every line is different, so why are we talking about that? I really not understand why are you saying that i do not respect other's hard work! Hey, i've not uploaded anyone work but mine... Is this discussion really started because i've written "Inspired By Project ENB"? If not, why are you accusing me of something i've never done? I really do not understand that!
And then i'm also advicing the installation of Project ENB, so i'm doing nothing but a favor to Bronze! So what kind of madness is making this discussion continuing?
Madness ? I just came here out of respect, with no offence, politely even I've been short, saying you JUST have to ask Bronze, and it raises a shitstorm. Who asked for removal ?? Who's been ' accusing ' ? You're just stated that ENB setups permission *only* belong to Boris, which is wrong, since he directly told me. I simply said it is wrong, and here we go, drama and all that.... This is beyond me.
I'm not talking about what you said, cause you are right about Boris permissions. I'm really upset about what other people are writing here, cause that posts are totally nonsense and out of control and i really don't know why this happened...
Ah... These property things have always been kind of cullprit around. Nevermind, what I can advice, out of appropriate behaviour, would simply be writing a line to Bronze316, saying : " Hey, I did that, I didn't thought doing anything bad, if you want me to remove it, I'll do, but what I'm asking is just permission to use your settings as a base and keep it uploaded as kind of a variation / alternative. ". I know Bronze enough to know he's someone wise and smart. I can't and won't speak in his place though. Thus saying, I'm glad you didn't take my posts as an agression, coz they really were not.
Simply ask bronze, he's a nice guy ( pretty sure if you only upload an alternative enbseries.ini and not his .fx files he won't make a big deal about it ). Ignore the rage going on. Bronze's mailbox is full at this moment on Nexus, but you can get in contact with him on flickr as well: http://www.flickr.com/photos/95514309@N04/
Community can always use more ENB tweakers. Hope you'll one day dive into the .fx files, and further. It's a nice learning curve into HLSL programming.
PS. I dont believe uploading an alternative enbseries.ini is anything 'breaching' any kind of credit. Enbseries.ini controls settings in d3d9.dll, which IMO is entirely owned by Boris, not bronze316. Or are we now going to have a fight one shouldnt use DirectLightIntensityDay=1.265 because preset XYZ also uses the same value? I don't see an issue as long as you dont upload the .fx files of Project ENB (or any other non-standard .fx files) without permission of him.
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And the required files as well: Project ENB Required
Should i link it 1000 times? i don't think so.
According to Boris, each setup's settings belong to their author only, I can confirm that plainly, do believe my word.
You definitely need Bronze316's permission to :
1 - Modify his files
2 - Link to his preset
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people might not be stupid enough to fall for that,but legally,no one can claim this wasn't your work and your work alone,even if it by all means is simmilar to another preset.
HOWEVER,i agree with some fellows,that you should have consulted the original author.but legally,they have no right to tell you that you MUST have done that.
and if you want to make it even harder for people to object,simply find the version of ENB that the preset the original mod used by checking your game once it loads,download it by yourself,change the ini with the ini from that version,credit boris,reupload the whole thing(2.5MB at most),and your done.
Oh well.
Yes, people, go on like this, popularity is just killing creativity and no one notice.
Yeah, sure : call basic respect ' drama '. Thanx for proving me right.
Unlike what you did, there was no personal attack in my comment, just that something stated was wrong, that's all.
And who's talking about ' drama ' ? ' Hissy fits ' ?? O_o
Seriously....
First things first, thanks to Quadrefoil for liking Project ENB and wanting to make some modifications to the settings. You gave me some credit and that's cool, you handled it well.
The enbseries.ini you used is "based off" Project ENB, and after you made some legitimate changes, it becomes yours. If you would've uploaded my entire preset with minimal changes to the core files, then that's a different story and I probably would not allow it.
I hope everyone can understand my perspective.
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@myztikrice,
Did it ever occur to you that comments like yours are part of the reason why some people have left the Nexus? There are lot of disrespectful comments posted on this site and who wants to read that stuff? Not me, not you, not anyone. Really, your post has no relevance at all , it's just rude. There isn't any point to that.....
@Kyo,
Howdy "partner", thanks for defending my honor.
Spoken words of wisdom, partner, as always
Quadrefoil, you did not, as you claim, make a new ENB preset. Also, to call an ENB preset "not really a mod" is simply showing your lack of understanding as to what goes into presets. Hundreds of hours, sometimes more. What you have is a (maybe) heavily modified enbseries.ini. The enbseries.ini is just the fine tweaking area of the actual preset. The real heart of a preset is in the shaders, the .fx files. What you have done is simply made a different fine tuning. And no where do you even credit Bronze316. It is literally this kind of behavior, as Kyo stated, that causes authors to leave. Just look around the nexus and you will find many an author who has left for more or less exactly what you've done. Some leave their files, some don't. And the audacity people have in saying it's their work or whatever is sickening. You say this took you a day? I know for a fact from personal correspondence with Bronze that he's been working on his files for well over a year. No respect man. You can say it's yours but not even giving credit is just plain underhanded man. If Bronze wants to take this up with the administration, well, we all know what'll happen.
Mystikrice: grow up.
In any case i'll do it, i'll send this to Bronze and i'll see what he will say about that.
I only wanted to share my idea of realistic lightning of ENB, but i can see that everyone has to say something that is not corresponding to the rules actually...
I never meant this to be a personal attack on you. As has been stated before, things LIKE this, though a bit more aggregious, have pushed modders out of modding, not just ENB, so those of us who've been around and seen it happen, particularly in the ENB scene are perhaps more defensive than we need to be. Sorry for any offense, none was intended, and thanks for giving credit to Bronze. Now hopefully this comment thread can calm down and we can all just sit back and relax.
Happy gaming
However,in your required mods you write ELFX and RLO...I know that these two mods won't give the best visuals ingame,unless some of their plugins are disabled.
So,first speak with Bronze
and second clarify about using two so different lighting overhauls.
In the other way, i do not understand why should i ask for permissions with Bronze316: i totally modified the original enbsettings.ini, but i tested it with Project ENB's other files, i mean the other files from Project ENB... So i first downloaded Bronze's mod then i overwritted the Project ENB's enbseries.ini with vanilla one and i've entirely modified it with in-game ENB preset editor. The only thing that i should refer to Bronze is that i was inspired by his style, so i modified the enbseries.ini to look like Project ENB one, but more realistic and less cinematic. I mean, i made my own enbseries.ini, so why sould i refer this to Bronze? Sorry, but i cannot understand this. I wanted to update this preset, i was also modifing it before, but if you ask for delete, i'll do it, no problem...
Thanks.
Do as you will, as someone said its not hard to just make it look like you did it all, but i would ask that you just stop and think about others hard work as well as your own and be apart of our community rather than "apart" from it.
I just came here out of respect, with no offence, politely even I've been short, saying you JUST have to ask Bronze, and it raises a shitstorm.
Who asked for removal ?? Who's been ' accusing ' ?
You're just stated that ENB setups permission *only* belong to Boris, which is wrong, since he directly told me. I simply said it is wrong, and here we go, drama and all that....
This is beyond me.
Nevermind, what I can advice, out of appropriate behaviour, would simply be writing a line to Bronze316, saying : " Hey, I did that, I didn't thought doing anything bad, if you want me to remove it, I'll do, but what I'm asking is just permission to use your settings as a base and keep it uploaded as kind of a variation / alternative. ".
I know Bronze enough to know he's someone wise and smart. I can't and won't speak in his place though.
Thus saying, I'm glad you didn't take my posts as an agression, coz they really were not.
Community can always use more ENB tweakers. Hope you'll one day dive into the .fx files, and further. It's a nice learning curve into HLSL programming.
PS. I dont believe uploading an alternative enbseries.ini is anything 'breaching' any kind of credit. Enbseries.ini controls settings in d3d9.dll, which IMO is entirely owned by Boris, not bronze316. Or are we now going to have a fight one shouldnt use DirectLightIntensityDay=1.265 because preset XYZ also uses the same value? I don't see an issue as long as you dont upload the .fx files of Project ENB (or any other non-standard .fx files) without permission of him.