Exactly my question. Without just experimenting how can we decide if a mod is going to work under SSE or not? It seems even some official SSE mods act unruly or broken when they get ported over, Joy of Perspective comes to mind. I don't understand the vagaries of porting mods over to Special Edition but apparently it is no trivial matter. There seems to be a huge crop of "core" mods available that mod authors are at least trying to make work. I really like the way SSE behaves and I don't want to go back to LE. However there are a lot of mods that have become essential to me which might never get ported. Take Project Ultimatum for example, particularly the sprint tackling. This is a key mod for any fighter based playthrough. It should have been included in the base game. There are guides like this one: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/23316. It talks about optimizing archives and textures and other cosmetic items. Apparently these are not the only issues or every mod would just be ported already. What kind of things go wrong when you try to port something over?
Hello, I can't deactivate the thu'um leveling, even after uninstalling the mod I still have the debuff on the cooldown (which was the reason I wanted to uninstall the mod), and the uninstalling VRA doesn’t do anything. I’d like help please.
In my time using it I've really liked it, but...I really wish it were modular. The only thing I really want out of it is the darn "I've read that!" books thing. It seems even if I disable its other features via Mod Configuration (in ESC menu), scripts for those disabled features still run and spam papyrus with errors. I can't be sure; but I've always suspected it had some impact in stability loss. Every time my game has crashed, it's been the last in the papyrus log. Always, without fail. I sincerely wish if I disabled features it could DISABLE the scripts for those features, at the very least it would spare my game that script processing (since Skyrim has internal limits).
Doesn't necessarily mean it did anything wrong though. I just now removed it, so time will tell.
aye i second that, as i really like a lot of these features offered but i feel that "Thu'um Leveling" is going to conflict with the "Shoutcraft" mod i use which essentially does the same thing. Except it makes shouts effect speech craft and speech craft level effect shout cooldowns. - which is nice because it doesn't conflict with mods of the like such as "dragon shout overhaul" or the more well known "Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion" which adds new and immersive shouts into the game; or other mods that add new shouts. My case and point being, a modular version would be nice.
Sag, excellent work. Has become an essential mod for me.
However, would it be possible to convince you too look through the Useful Targets script(s) and/or quest? As some people have mentioned, Papyrus log is getting spammed with warning messages attached to the following: SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript and SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest.
For reference, here is a small clip of my latest Papyrus log:
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[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target003 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target003 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
If you could, I'd love to see a modular installation. Just two reasons why: Perk overhauls might not play nicely with the new Thu'um skill (especially SkyRe, because their speech tree already takes that into consideration) I already have a mod that makes dummies AND targets train the respective skills (including magic) and others might as well.
But I absolutely love the lore based parts of the mod!! I didn't even know the native name for Argonians, or should I say Saxhleel, until I saw your description!
So, I hope you see this and take it into consideration. Thanks for this sweet looking mod.
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It seems even some official SSE mods act unruly or broken when they get ported over, Joy of Perspective comes to mind. I don't understand the vagaries of porting mods over to Special Edition but apparently it is no trivial matter. There seems to be a huge crop of "core" mods available that mod authors are at least trying to make work. I really like the way SSE behaves and I don't want to go back to LE. However there are a lot of mods that have become essential to me which might never get ported. Take Project Ultimatum for example, particularly the sprint tackling. This is a key mod for any fighter based playthrough. It should have been included in the base game.
There are guides like this one:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/23316.
It talks about optimizing archives and textures and other cosmetic items. Apparently these are not the only issues or every mod would just be ported already. What kind of things go wrong when you try to port something over?
Doesn't necessarily mean it did anything wrong though. I just now removed it, so time will tell.
Except it makes shouts effect speech craft and speech craft level effect shout cooldowns. - which is nice because it doesn't conflict with mods of the like such as "dragon shout overhaul" or the more well known "Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion" which adds new and immersive shouts into the game; or other mods that add new shouts.
My case and point being, a modular version would be nice.
However, would it be possible to convince you too look through the Useful Targets script(s) and/or quest? As some people have mentioned, Papyrus log is getting spammed with warning messages attached to the following: SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript and SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest.
For reference, here is a small clip of my latest Papyrus log:
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target003 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target003 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target002000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target001000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000002 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000001000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000001 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property DistanceTotal on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
[06/10/2016 - 03:02:37PM] warning: Property NextToReach on script _SAGTrainingTargetOnHitScript attached to alias Target000000000000 on quest _SAGTrainingTargetDetectTargetsQuest (B800CA35) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property
If these are non-critical, then no worries.
Cheers mate!
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Just two reasons why:
Perk overhauls might not play nicely with the new Thu'um skill (especially SkyRe, because their speech tree already takes that into consideration)
I already have a mod that makes dummies AND targets train the respective skills (including magic) and others might as well.
But I absolutely love the lore based parts of the mod!! I didn't even know the native name for Argonians, or should I say Saxhleel, until I saw your description!
So, I hope you see this and take it into consideration. Thanks for this sweet looking mod.