I don't like the concept of the mod but i will give you kudos for attempting it. I for one enjoyed the differences in stats related to gender because it gave early character creation something more. a female dunmer might not of been able to pack mule things out the tutorial dungeon but she could sure as hell get the job done
Woot i just love reading comments. If Endurance is all about how much damage you can take, then females should atleast start with 10+ endurance or 13-25% damage reduction. Why? Mainly because the female body is designed to be able to take a great amount of pain. They are born with a very higher chance of general survival. On the other hand, the male bodys only solution is to be trained to resist pain. A trained solider that has survived many battles during the age of meele weapons did have a higher pain limit than the common man. But only because he is used to it. Giving birth to a baby is also described as more painfull than anything else, and women is able to do this without fainthing even if they do not have trained up their pain limits.
And for the women being smarter, it is a different factor. The female brain got a few nifty abilitys buildt in, like they have easyer to teach stuff, they learn stuff faster in general. But in general, that got nothing to do with inteligence. The female can however take a greater amount of mental strain before collapsing than the male, unless training one side is involved. If it was a war, and you somehow managed to take 2 enemy officers captive. You need the information they posses, and send them of to be tortured. One of them is male, and the other female. Unless some factors of training is involved, the male will be the part to give up first by default.
Strenght? The male body is bigger, and the form it takes allows more muscles than the general female body. However, if both genders pump their muscles to the max someting happens. The male will be stronger, but he will also have more muscles and less free room when attempting to move. The female bodys muscles will be smaller due the body shape, but they are still huge. And add on the fact that they put a lesser strain on the body, even in moving around in comparision to the male. I think this is where the "agility" myth is generally from, but women does have some muscles and stuff that are move bendable due the fact they can get pregnant
In general today, we even got a machocultur. Someting says that the males should be strong and the women weak and thin. Add on socitys different affecting factors, and you got a nice piece of calculation. How the people was raised is also a major factor. Another note is that some people are born with more ideal bodys for like muscles, some is born smarter, etc. This is a variable that is completely random.
Thinking about it, if we really mad Oblivion realistic we should instead change the max caps. Males should have 110 strenght cap, while the females should have 110 in endurance and willpower. However the agilgy and speed caps is based on strenght, if male got 90+ str, then agi and speed is capped at 90. Females agi and speed is capped at 95 when 100 str. When strenght reaches the peak are, agi and speed is decreased to the cap if they are over. Its realisme But the females still have not gotten in the pain resist if that goes in, i fear imbalance "
All true and yet, 99% of the inventions that have made us as godly as we are today were by men, the fact that the best ranked in the world of every profession, from boxing to entrepenuer to hair dresser is a man (look it up).
Even having all these benefits in body and in society (get easy love and political benefits always viewed as the good one) the vast majority STILL fail to become anything great and mostly just wind up as a pathetic childish thistle brat.
so yes with all those benefits they still fail in every way and thats not sexism believe me i was the only one to stand up for people when others wouldnt but thats just what iv observed through history, todays reality, books, tv and opinions from BOTH genders its just pure facts.
so tbh that just shows there is a serious problem with their soul serious patheticness there.
I have gone through this entire thread and deleted the majority of rude comments where are basically just debates in general and simple flaming and trolling dating all the way back to the initial release of this mod in 2006.
Please do not debate about realism of this mod for the Fantasy game which is known as Oblivion. Also do not participate in gender bashing as that will not end well for you.
I have given this file a rating of 10
Rating it a 10 because the moderators of this board seem to be out to lunch.
Vote removed due to an unjustified / unrelated reason. I guess you think that a handful of people can keep up with the thousands upon thousands of mods uploaded to this site and the hundreds of thousands of posts made? There is a REPORT tool that has been made available for a VERY long time and nobody has reported anything in this thread until today. Yes, not even YOU reported the junk going on in this thread to the proper individuals. You only managed to help fan the flames and contribute to the waste-factor.
I dunno who moderates this system but I'm glad the guy(s) on the fallout 3 side are at least trying to keep voters in line. The folk on this side of the board no longer seem to care.
You would be quite surprised if you knew the truth. The Oblivion community is FAR more calm than the Fallout community. Most of the people helping to calm things down on the Fallout side are those that came over from the Oblivion scene. Most of the instigators that are getting banned seem to have arrived to the Nexus solely because of the Fallout mods.
I have given this file a rating of 1
Unfortunately had to agree it puts the game wrongly by making a mod for equal male and female. Why not put equality for all races while you're at it then? It's like making chinese people as tall as avarage europeans isnt it? And women has weaker skulls thats why they cant go boxing againts male people.
But thats not the point of my rating. I just feel like the whole equality thing is putting my stratagic gaming mind into waste with this mod. It isnt all too bad for people who prefer it, but I wouldnt recommend this mod at all, there for I gotta give it the worst rating.
Another vote removed. If you do not like the IDEA of this mod, do not bother voting on it.
Realism aside and all other arguments aside. The reason woman have higher magic scores and lower physical scores than men can easily traced back to Japan. Yes thats right Japan. In traditional RPG goodness, its common practice that woman are better spell casters and men are better fighters. Infact the cross gender roles woman and men play i.e. male casters or female warriors, are humorous and sly jokes in japan's culture. So in conclusion this means 1. Its been common practice in rpgs to portray characters this way. 2. bethesda did not do something trend setting or revolutionary, they just followed standard rpg codes. 3. Arguing over it is pointless because its their in the game so either you play the game with it or you download this mod so you don't play the game with it... or you make your own mod and make it however you want it to be.
Now you Know and knowing is half the battle...... GI Joe!
I see nothing wrong with this mod. I actually prefer it. While yes in general males tend to be larger and physically stronger its not always the case. And who's to say females are naturally better spellcasters? Spellcasting isn't so much intelligence as it is an affinity with mystical energies so there's no real world comparison to make. By making both genders balanced at the beginning it lets the player determine how their character develops. They can have the scrawny, geeky, but good spellcasting male or the butch, bulky, sword wielding valkerie without suffering some preset difficulty slider. The point of a char generation system should be to have a base point that allows us to decide how we develop. Imposing penalties based on gender isn't needed and removing them isn't game-breaking. I'm sure with some digging you'll also find that in older cultures and in various ethnic groups the balances between males and females is much closer. Our roles in society help shape how we look and what our physical and mental attributes are. A culture where women have always been as equally active and physical as males you will find that the females body builds are more often equal to the males.
Yeah...honestly, you'll play a character for about a week, and it won't matter what the starting ability scores are. If you want a weightlifting female woodelf, go swing a sword for a while. You just have to work at it a bit more than a male. Oh well.
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I have Shivering Islands expansion.....
"I have given this file a rating of 10
Woot i just love reading comments. If Endurance is all about how much damage you can take, then females should atleast start with 10+ endurance or 13-25% damage reduction.
Why? Mainly because the female body is designed to be able to take a great amount of pain. They are born with a very higher chance of general survival.
On the other hand, the male bodys only solution is to be trained to resist pain. A trained solider that has survived many battles during the age of meele weapons did have a higher pain limit than the common man. But only because he is used to it.
Giving birth to a baby is also described as more painfull than anything else, and women is able to do this without fainthing even if they do not have trained up their pain limits.
And for the women being smarter, it is a different factor. The female brain got a few nifty abilitys buildt in, like they have easyer to teach stuff, they learn stuff faster in general. But in general, that got nothing to do with inteligence.
The female can however take a greater amount of mental strain before collapsing than the male, unless training one side is involved. If it was a war, and you somehow managed to take 2 enemy officers captive. You need the information they posses, and send them of to be tortured. One of them is male, and the other female.
Unless some factors of training is involved, the male will be the part to give up first by default.
Strenght? The male body is bigger, and the form it takes allows more muscles than the general female body. However, if both genders pump their muscles to the max someting happens. The male will be stronger, but he will also have more muscles and less free room when attempting to move.
The female bodys muscles will be smaller due the body shape, but they are still huge. And add on the fact that they put a lesser strain on the body, even in moving around in comparision to the male.
I think this is where the "agility" myth is generally from, but women does have some muscles and stuff that are move bendable due the fact they can get pregnant
In general today, we even got a machocultur. Someting says that the males should be strong and the women weak and thin. Add on socitys different affecting factors, and you got a nice piece of calculation. How the people was raised is also a major factor.
Another note is that some people are born with more ideal bodys for like muscles, some is born smarter, etc. This is a variable that is completely random.
Thinking about it, if we really mad Oblivion realistic we should instead change the max caps. Males should have 110 strenght cap, while the females should have 110 in endurance and willpower.
However the agilgy and speed caps is based on strenght, if male got 90+ str, then agi and speed is capped at 90. Females agi and speed is capped at 95 when 100 str. When strenght reaches the peak are, agi and speed is decreased to the cap if they are over.
Its realisme
But the females still have not gotten in the pain resist if that goes in, i fear imbalance "
All true and yet, 99% of the inventions that have made us as godly as we are today were by men, the fact that the best ranked in the world of every profession, from boxing to entrepenuer to hair dresser is a man (look it up).
Even having all these benefits in body and in society (get easy love and political benefits always viewed as the good one) the vast majority STILL fail to become anything great and mostly just wind up as a pathetic childish thistle brat.
so yes with all those benefits they still fail in every way and thats not sexism believe me i was the only one to stand up for people when others wouldnt but thats just what iv observed through history, todays reality, books, tv and opinions from BOTH genders its just pure facts.
so tbh that just shows there is a serious problem with their soul serious patheticness there.
Please do not debate about realism of this mod for the Fantasy game which is known as Oblivion. Also do not participate in gender bashing as that will not end well for you.
LHammonds (File Admin)
Seeing as i always play as a male character that is full magic, this mod helps out a lot. Nice work
1. Its been common practice in rpgs to portray characters this way.
2. bethesda did not do something trend setting or revolutionary, they just followed standard rpg codes.
3. Arguing over it is pointless because its their in the game so either you play the game with it or you download this mod so you don't play the game with it... or you make your own mod and make it however you want it to be.
Now you Know and knowing is half the battle...... GI Joe!
If you want a weightlifting female woodelf, go swing a sword for a while. You just have to work at it a bit more than a male.
Oh well.