in the upper floor of chinorasium there isn't any spell tome. maybe it appears only when i do a particulary quest? i don't know! i think that the description of this mod is uncomplete.
WOW!!! I don't know what were your original intentions with this idea....but this adds a whole new level of immersion and new possibilities to the game!
I have a few ideas if you're open to suggestions. You can completely change the way you play the game...planning, tactics...etc, and easily add a few more hours to finish the game
Right know as it is, you just need magic to make someone commit a suicide and that's cool...but it's only that...cool. There's not much more to that except from having fun seeing a suicide animation and repeating it over and over when you want to kill someone, just for fun. But what if - An NPC is less vulnerable to magic, say battlemage, mage, sorcerer...etc? - Or just about any NPC with Willpower and Intelligence 70+? - Or maybe a priest with high Personality and Responsibility? He's the servant of the Divines...he's not allowed to raise hand on himself..he has to get an order from a higher power to perform such an act - possible quest?!
A player would need to:
- Observe an NPC to learn about his daily activities, find out who he is, see what he is vulnerable to - Work on lowering the targets attributes that prevent him from committing a suicide by - * poisoning him every day, * stealing his precious stuff (a book, a relic...) to make him feel miserable... * for guards for eg. plant a false note in his premises how he's been collaborating with an enemy, * for priests you could for example talk to people and tell lies how he's been performing a necromancy, that would lower his Personality and then you would be able to act as a "silent voice" when he's praying at the altar and tell him to commit a suicide...etc, etc. * for mass suicides create a sect where you could lure NPCs to worship a Devil or whatever and then perform a mass suicide so they can meet him... etc..etc
The possibilities are endless really!! You could easily make a line of quests where one has to kill a target (or multiple targets - mass suicide) making it look like a suicide!
Sorry if I sound like a lunatic but the moment I saw you mod these ideas just flooded my mind.
Anyways thanks for creating this mod, it's a FANTASTIC addition to the game!!! I don't have Oblivion installed at the moment, playing Fallout 3, but soon as I finish it I'm going to try it!!
About my intentions. I described them in the description - to make a favorite spell of classic evil mental mage.
About the character-specific prerequisites to self-killing. I thought about that, but decided not to make things too complex. Attributes are leveled and therefore meaningless, and the rules like "barb fears head blows, rogue fears thievery" would be mechanical anyway. It is better for the spell to be simple and effective. Still, maybe I'll implement some of it if I get the good and complete idea of how it should work.
Your idea about suicide questline looks fresh and interesting. Still unlikely I will start working on that myself. I'm really not the global modemaker type. The first and the last time I've made a whole new quest (Ghost in the Bottle) was exhausting experience, quite different than my usual brain exercising in scripting. A mod like that you've suggested requires a great deal of effort and work of different specialists. 3d animator at least, for I have no such skills and the only one vanilla blade-to-guts idle is certainly not enough for something serious. The worst of that - it demands days and days of polishing. For today more than half of the custom content I created exists only on my PC: lots of stuff that I am using myself, but am too lazy to lick clean of all bugs, inconviniencies and loose ends to post here.
Now I'm working on torturing spell - compiling SI Relmyna's and Tordir's (am I remembering theri names right?..) spells into one usable voiced thing and desinging some corresponding behavior affections. Let's hope I'll have enough interest to make it postable.
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I have a few ideas if you're open to suggestions. You can completely change the way you play the game...planning, tactics...etc, and easily add a few more hours to finish the game
Right know as it is, you just need magic to make someone commit a suicide and that's cool...but it's only that...cool. There's not much more to that except from having fun seeing a suicide animation and repeating it over and over when you want to kill someone, just for fun. But what if
- An NPC is less vulnerable to magic, say battlemage, mage, sorcerer...etc?
- Or just about any NPC with Willpower and Intelligence 70+?
- Or maybe a priest with high Personality and Responsibility? He's the servant of the Divines...he's not allowed to raise hand on himself..he has to get an order from a higher power to perform such an act - possible quest?!
A player would need to:
- Observe an NPC to learn about his daily activities, find out who he is, see what he is vulnerable to
- Work on lowering the targets attributes that prevent him from committing a suicide by -
* poisoning him every day,
* stealing his precious stuff (a book, a relic...) to make him feel miserable...
* for guards for eg. plant a false note in his premises how he's been collaborating with an enemy,
* for priests you could for example talk to people and tell lies how he's been performing a necromancy, that would lower his Personality and then you would be able to act as a "silent voice" when he's praying at the altar and tell him to commit a suicide...etc, etc.
* for mass suicides create a sect where you could lure NPCs to worship a Devil or whatever and then perform a mass suicide so they can meet him...
The possibilities are endless really!! You could easily make a line of quests where one has to kill a target (or multiple targets - mass suicide) making it look like a suicide!
Sorry if I sound like a lunatic but the moment I saw you mod these ideas just flooded my mind.
Anyways thanks for creating this mod, it's a FANTASTIC addition to the game!!! I don't have Oblivion installed at the moment, playing Fallout 3, but soon as I finish it I'm going to try it!!
Thanks
About my intentions. I described them in the description - to make a favorite spell of classic evil mental mage.
About the character-specific prerequisites to self-killing. I thought about that, but decided not to make things too complex. Attributes are leveled and therefore meaningless, and the rules like "barb fears head blows, rogue fears thievery" would be mechanical anyway. It is better for the spell to be simple and effective.
Still, maybe I'll implement some of it if I get the good and complete idea of how it should work.
Your idea about suicide questline looks fresh and interesting.
Still unlikely I will start working on that myself. I'm really not the global modemaker type. The first and the last time I've made a whole new quest (Ghost in the Bottle) was exhausting experience, quite different than my usual brain exercising in scripting. A mod like that you've suggested requires a great deal of effort and work of different specialists. 3d animator at least, for I have no such skills and the only one vanilla blade-to-guts idle is certainly not enough for something serious. The worst of that - it demands days and days of polishing. For today more than half of the custom content I created exists only on my PC: lots of stuff that I am using myself, but am too lazy to lick clean of all bugs, inconviniencies and loose ends to post here.
Now I'm working on torturing spell - compiling SI Relmyna's and Tordir's (am I remembering theri names right?..) spells into one usable voiced thing and desinging some corresponding behavior affections. Let's hope I'll have enough interest to make it postable.
Cheers