Bayonetes were obsolete as a concept by the time of 2077. This mod spills out advance weaponry and firearms to a scale to go heads to heads with China, yet features a bayonete on a shotgun. Thank you. My world feels more immersive now.
Really depends on how close you are and how good a person's aim is. Because if someone can't handle a gun for s*** and a lot of cover is present, i'm going to put my money on the guy with a knife. So that argument can be invalidated solely on what type of person is using what and what obstacles are present.
Anyways, regardless on the the example, bayonets will never go out of style especially in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where you'll more than likely be scavenging in ruins and buildings where generally there will be close quarters engagements. If two people meet each other in a doorway and their both out of ammo, and one either has a bayonet or knife in hand at the time, knife/bayonet guy is gonna win more times than not over the other guy who would be limited to a quick barrel jab with their firearm (in which the bayonet/knife guy would prove way more effective) or they would try to gun-whip the other guy which would allow an opening.
In other words, like the previous example, it is all about the situation. No one weapon will always be superior to another.
?if i have an automatic weapon and you rely on a knife whos gonna win?
Depends on situation also of user, i think. Besides i agreed with that guy who said: i don't think stabbing people can ever become obsolete... Wich is truth. Personally me, i think it's kind of a joke of that Winchester-1897 "Trenchgun" with the bayonet, and compare to that bayonet this kitchen knife looks like funny joke to me. Also is good to have a knife as option.
Based on my personal conscripted service in the ex warsaw pact military giant, you get 1 day of bayonet training by stabing sandbags. After that your whole training goes into small unit tactics. I was the assistant gunner (loader) of a DSHK heavy machine gun. Bayonetes were the the very very very last resort defensive option of the position gets flanked and we dont have ammo for our personal weapons (which is nearly impossible) in which is advised to scuttle the gun and leave the position if u get overwhelmed. In almost every case you will so rarely to none rely on a stab in the first place. I remember a dude asked once something about knives, and he got a response something like "by the time we pull the knife out it wont matter anyomore" "this aint 1941" Hence why on hoover dam you see the legion armed with some shooters. Its the next logical step as the threath escalates.
The frontier features 3 standing armies some of which field mechanized armored suits and tracked armored vehicles, laser weaponry and tactical nukes. I see alot of people wielding small arms in close quarters. Kitchen knife on shotgun sounds cool, but rather unrealistic.
If anyone here thinks someone will willingly run under fire or knowing the possible position of the enemy to try and stab them is borderline suicide and i advise you to stop watching rambo, saving private ryan and all of this exagerated military propaganda. War is ugly. Not only because people extermiante each other for nothing, but also the industrial scale of the extermination and destruction itslef.
So was the concept of spiked clubs (Fallout 3), spears (New Vegas), axes (New Vegas DLC) and war hammers (Fallout 4). And btw bayonets exist now, at a time where they would be considerable less useful than in an nuclear wasteland, and aren't necessarily used for stabbing either.
My goodness, why are people so oddly salty about this mod?
Beleive what you will, but history is the best teacher. Here is an example of what we can learn from it: When warplanes were introduced into war, they had machine guns as the main weapons (and even pilots had guns and revolvers with them, but meh). With the addition of rockets/missiles in later years, those machine guns were removed because they were "useless and archaic". Later on, the machine guns were added back... Why? Because those who decided to keep the machine guns were easily destroying the planes equipped with just missiles/rockets due to the reduced versatility of the "modern planes". An important lesson is to never reduce your effectivess in combat because one day, the gun might jam/break/get wet/blow up/whatever and that "lame piece of metal" sticking at the tip of the gun might be the best thing you have to defend yourself with.
Frontier is a shitshow but the idea that "bayonets are obsolete in 2022, therefore they will also be obsolete in a post-apocalyptic wasteland were your firearms are likely to be poorly maintained or you are likely to run out of ammo" is just silly.
Bayonets absolutely make sense in the context of FNV (after all PURE MELEE is a perfectly viable build) and even more so in the context of TTW/Fo3 (absolute trash sack world).
Certain rifles featuring the option of having the knife taped to them is something that I added to the Frontier in a spare moment, partially as a joke (although one motivated by how a bayonet would probably be at least somewhat useful in a post-apocalyptic wasteland), and partially because many of those guns either didn't have any weapon mods at all, or didn't have all of their weapon mod slots filled out. It's unfortunate you didn't find amusement in this. But I understand.
I don't hate it or anything! The only gun that I think it really clashes on is the Police Shotgun(/High Level Variants), just because of how those look... I dunno, tactical? (I'm not really a gun nut, myself.) But it's a simple tweak to apply and I figured other people might have more issues with it, so expanding it to all shotguns for a Nexus release wasn't much work.
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Anyways, regardless on the the example, bayonets will never go out of style especially in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where you'll more than likely be scavenging in ruins and buildings where generally there will be close quarters engagements. If two people meet each other in a doorway and their both out of ammo, and one either has a bayonet or knife in hand at the time, knife/bayonet guy is gonna win more times than not over the other guy who would be limited to a quick barrel jab with their firearm (in which the bayonet/knife guy would prove way more effective) or they would try to gun-whip the other guy which would allow an opening.
In other words, like the previous example, it is all about the situation. No one weapon will always be superior to another.
The frontier features 3 standing armies some of which field mechanized armored suits and tracked armored vehicles, laser weaponry and tactical nukes. I see alot of people wielding small arms in close quarters. Kitchen knife on shotgun sounds cool, but rather unrealistic.
If anyone here thinks someone will willingly run under fire or knowing the possible position of the enemy to try and stab them is borderline suicide and i advise you to stop watching rambo, saving private ryan and all of this exagerated military propaganda. War is ugly. Not only because people extermiante each other for nothing, but also the industrial scale of the extermination and destruction itslef.
My goodness, why are people so oddly salty about this mod?
When warplanes were introduced into war, they had machine guns as the main weapons (and even pilots had guns and revolvers with them, but meh). With the addition of rockets/missiles in later years, those machine guns were removed because they were "useless and archaic".
Later on, the machine guns were added back... Why? Because those who decided to keep the machine guns were easily destroying the planes equipped with just missiles/rockets due to the reduced versatility of the "modern planes".
An important lesson is to never reduce your effectivess in combat because one day, the gun might jam/break/get wet/blow up/whatever and that "lame piece of metal" sticking at the tip of the gun might be the best thing you have to defend yourself with.
Bayonets absolutely make sense in the context of FNV (after all PURE MELEE is a perfectly viable build) and even more so in the context of TTW/Fo3 (absolute trash sack world).