The mod by FlinSunset does look pretty good but it changes a few things that I want to keep, such as the code book exploit to join the thieves guild after receiving the book from Sottilde. I like how your redux mods don't change too much from vanilla but simply add more fair/suitable quest rewards and reputation increases. But maybe I can try out FGI and steal the code book instead, thanks for the recommendation.
I think I will possibly take a look at Fighters Guild and make a compatibility patch for it with FGI. Probably closer to March-April though as I have a few other factions planned first. :)
My intent is to consider adding reputation, albeit a smaller amount than other factions. Only to quests where it may conceivably make sense, which may be few. But more than vanilla does.
Your work is very much appreciated, all three of the mods are becoming must haves for my modlists from now on. Infact my only complaint is now i dont want to play incase you release any more of these (though please do), i already have trouble with restarting constantly.
Wow thank you so much for the amazing feedback! I'm working on Thieves Guild at the moment and once that's out I'll be moving onto the Mages Guild. I'm not set on it yet if I'll do Hlaalu but they'll be third on the list. I have no plans to do Fighter's Guild as FlintSunset's mod covers that niche nicely. I also have no plans to touch Telvanni or Imperial Cult as I think they're absolutely perfect tbh. My only remaining unknown is Morag Tong as there are a number of good mods out there I've yet to look at (and I've not played that faction yet) but they'd be the last one, if I do them at all. Hope that helps you plan your playthrough! :D
Oh and both Mages and Thieves will be 100% compatible with Danae's and AliceL93's mods too.
I love these! Since you're through some of the factions another one that deserves a more sensible reward ladder is the Thieves' Guild. Balmora's Thieves' Guild - Diamonds For Habasi: Rewards you with a Exclusive Invisibility potion, since the game has no way for guards to follow you and when you use an item like a lockpick the invisibility disappear, it's almost an useless item except for when you're out adventuring, but even then most early TG quests are always inside the towns either way. Solution:An Exclusive Chameleon potion(1 or 2), unlike Invisibility, Chameleon adds up to your chance to successfully sneak so it's overall better as a reward especially cause most PC will be doing early TG quests and these potions can help with the Ra'Zhid quest. Nerano Manor Key: Unchanged since the 500 gold and the items you can get inside the Manor is a good reward. Ra'Zhid's Dwemer Artifacts: Also Unchanged, but i do question if the Journeyman's Armorer's Hammer could be changed for something else, maybe some monetary reward instead? Also The Vintage Brandy: Also unchanged, it's an easy quest and the monetary reward is great. Free New-Shoes Bragor: The monetary reward unchanged, but if wanted could be lowered to 500 gold BUT, instead of just a simple Exquisite Shoes, they should be enchanted with a +5 or 10 Sneak, as someone who played Thieves characters a lot, unless you're using your money to pay for training, Sneak takes too long to level up unless your Sneak is level 60, so this rewards helps Thieves characters a lot in later quests. Master Of Security: Unchanged, having your bounty removed + knowing where a Master Security trainer lives is already great. Ald'ruhn's Thieves' Guild - Loot The Mages Guild: Unchanged, looting the whole place is a good enough reward. Redoran's Master Helm: Instead of 1,000 gold, 500 gold and 2-3 Potions of Telekinesis which are incredibly useful for Thieves characters. Naughty Gandosa: Unchanged, i find the rewards good enough. Withershins: I would say, give the player some skill books here, 1 or 2 for Sneaking, no need for Security since it's already easy and there's a Master Security trainer you can get in Balmora. The logic for this is that you're after a rare skill book but it's for Restoration which is useless for Thieves, so why not receive another more useful books in trade? Or even better, give the players outright Sneak skill increases, one of the Morag Tong's quests gives the player +5 Marksman so this could be done here too but for Sneak, as i said levelling Sneak is a pain, so anything helps, skill books or skill increases. Retrieve The Scrap Metal: I would up the monetary reward to 1,500 gold for training purposes. The Darts Of Judgement: I think this is where the player should start receiving more items that can help in combat for future purposes and later quests, by this point in other questlines, the pc is receiving an Enchanted Daedric Dagger from the MG and a Glass Dagger with paralyze from the Telvanni(This one is even earlier). In my opinion the PC should be rewarded here with one of the two: A belt(or whatever enchanted clothing fits) that can up their Sanctuary by 25-50 for 30 seconds or an Enchanted Dagger or Shortsword, the enchantment and quality(Glass, Dwemer or even Ebony) is up to you. I have more ideas since there's still Sadrith Mora and Stacey's two questlines, but this is just some of them, i genuinely love playing as a Thief but it's a pain, especially when Pickpocket is unusable unless you're using mods and Sneak Attacks are almost impossible cause it never happens because also unless you use mods, the enemy detects you before it happens so it cancels out. And there's the even bigger thing, leveling Sneak is the biggest pain for a Thief, it's annoying and hard, like i said unless you're level 60, it levels so very much slowly. Final notes: If you ever do one for the Thieves' Guild, the Ring Of Far Reaching is obtained too late in the questlines to be usable so getting it earlier would be nice, also please more items or potions that up all Thieves abilities, sneak, acrobatics, sanctuary or short blades in some quests, they can usable later. Also buffing some items and rewards from Jim Stacey's quests, the Ring Of Shadow Form is a trash reward, 6-15 Chameleon for 5 seconds is unusable, the time is too low, at minimum it should be 30 seconds, and this is also one of the final quests, what type of reward is this? Just outright trash. Sorry for mumbling so much, love your mods bro, have a nice day :D.
I have good news for you... I started Thieves guild last night :) This feedback is amazing I'll be sure to consider everything you've said here whilst I'm running through the quests. Thanks! :)
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Fighters Guild no - I use and recommend FlinSunset's mod instead.
I always assumed that was intentional and perfectly logical. A well known thief is not a successful thief..
Infact my only complaint is now i dont want to play incase you release any more of these (though please do), i already have trouble with restarting constantly.
Oh and both Mages and Thieves will be 100% compatible with Danae's and AliceL93's mods too.
Balmora's Thieves' Guild -
Diamonds For Habasi: Rewards you with a Exclusive Invisibility potion, since the game has no way for guards to follow you and when you use an item like a lockpick the invisibility disappear, it's almost an useless item except for when you're out adventuring, but even then most early TG quests are always inside the towns either way. Solution: An Exclusive Chameleon potion(1 or 2), unlike Invisibility, Chameleon adds up to your chance to successfully sneak so it's overall better as a reward especially cause most PC will be doing early TG quests and these potions can help with the Ra'Zhid quest.
Nerano Manor Key: Unchanged since the 500 gold and the items you can get inside the Manor is a good reward.
Ra'Zhid's Dwemer Artifacts: Also Unchanged, but i do question if the Journeyman's Armorer's Hammer could be changed for something else, maybe some monetary reward instead? Also
The Vintage Brandy: Also unchanged, it's an easy quest and the monetary reward is great.
Free New-Shoes Bragor: The monetary reward unchanged, but if wanted could be lowered to 500 gold BUT, instead of just a simple Exquisite Shoes, they should be enchanted with a +5 or 10 Sneak, as someone who played Thieves characters a lot, unless you're using your money to pay for training, Sneak takes too long to level up unless your Sneak is level 60, so this rewards helps Thieves characters a lot in later quests.
Master Of Security: Unchanged, having your bounty removed + knowing where a Master Security trainer lives is already great.
Ald'ruhn's Thieves' Guild -
Loot The Mages Guild: Unchanged, looting the whole place is a good enough reward.
Redoran's Master Helm: Instead of 1,000 gold, 500 gold and 2-3 Potions of Telekinesis which are incredibly useful for Thieves characters.
Naughty Gandosa: Unchanged, i find the rewards good enough.
Withershins: I would say, give the player some skill books here, 1 or 2 for Sneaking, no need for Security since it's already easy and there's a Master Security trainer you can get in Balmora. The logic for this is that you're after a rare skill book but it's for Restoration which is useless for Thieves, so why not receive another more useful books in trade? Or even better, give the players outright Sneak skill increases, one of the Morag Tong's quests gives the player +5 Marksman so this could be done here too but for Sneak, as i said levelling Sneak is a pain, so anything helps, skill books or skill increases.
Retrieve The Scrap Metal: I would up the monetary reward to 1,500 gold for training purposes.
The Darts Of Judgement: I think this is where the player should start receiving more items that can help in combat for future purposes and later quests, by this point in other questlines, the pc is receiving an Enchanted Daedric Dagger from the MG and a Glass Dagger with paralyze from the Telvanni(This one is even earlier). In my opinion the PC should be rewarded here with one of the two: A belt(or whatever enchanted clothing fits) that can up their Sanctuary by 25-50 for 30 seconds or an Enchanted Dagger or Shortsword, the enchantment and quality(Glass, Dwemer or even Ebony) is up to you.
I have more ideas since there's still Sadrith Mora and Stacey's two questlines, but this is just some of them, i genuinely love playing as a Thief but it's a pain, especially when Pickpocket is unusable unless you're using mods and Sneak Attacks are almost impossible cause it never happens because also unless you use mods, the enemy detects you before it happens so it cancels out. And there's the even bigger thing, leveling Sneak is the biggest pain for a Thief, it's annoying and hard, like i said unless you're level 60, it levels so very much slowly.
Final notes: If you ever do one for the Thieves' Guild, the Ring Of Far Reaching is obtained too late in the questlines to be usable so getting it earlier would be nice, also please more items or potions that up all Thieves abilities, sneak, acrobatics, sanctuary or short blades in some quests, they can usable later. Also buffing some items and rewards from Jim Stacey's quests, the Ring Of Shadow Form is a trash reward, 6-15 Chameleon for 5 seconds is unusable, the time is too low, at minimum it should be 30 seconds, and this is also one of the final quests, what type of reward is this? Just outright trash. Sorry for mumbling so much, love your mods bro, have a nice day :D.