Would this apply to the mainland ordinators, including the Mourning Ordinators in Tamriel Rebuilt? And if not, would you consider adding that feature? Would be much appreciated.
Will the Ordinators attack you in Vivec if you are the Nerevarine, I feel this would only make sense because the armor is modeled after Indoril's face.
Yes it does work with high ordinators. I wont spoil too much incase you want to find out yourself but you can get them through the tribunal quest line. My mod doesnt work based on level but on temple rank. The lowest rank is rank 4 which is fairly easy to get to depending on your starting stats.
Thanks for the mod! However, the directory in this archive is labelled Data, not Data Files, resulting in NMM failing to show the ESP file loading correctly in the Plugins section. Had to manually install. No idea if it's actually compatible with NMM as it wouldn't show up.
It's good, but you should consider adding a better dialogue greeting for the Ordinators. Maybe something that acknowledges the player's rank and why they aren't beating the snot out of you right now.
Currently working on that. What you think about "My superior told me your allowed to wear our armor, but you are not part of our sacred order. I'll be watching you [PC Temple Rank]." For reference the vanilla response when your wearing the armor is "Where did you get that! The armor you wear is sacred to our Order. You shall be punished with blood!"
How about at rank Diviner and Master: "You wear the sacred armor of our order. Were you not a %PCRank I would cut you down where you stand, but I will not bring shame upon the Temple by killing one of the faithful. Go about your business, but know that we're watching you." And at Patriarch: "You wear the sacred armor of our order, %PC Rank. Wear it proudly and may your actions bring glory to the Temple and all of Morrowind."
If you want to go the route of asking permission to wear the Ordinator armor you could add a dialogue topic for Berel Sala requesting the right?
TY for offering a lore-friendly way for a PC to safely wear a full suit of Ordinator Armor in Vivec City
However,.I do not think Ordinators' reaction should (still!) be so hostile towards a higher-up in the Temple--even if it be the PC! In an unmodded, vanilla playthrough of the MQ, while my PC was a member of the Temple Faction and rising through the ranks, the Ordinators dialog to me became increasingly nicer. To the point that, after I was declared Nerevarine, a curious thing occurred. Grandmaster Berel Sala, in the midst of fulsome appreciation of my rank as Patriarch, momentarily switched to stern warnings before switching back to fulsome appreciation. Evidently, my rank in the Temple overrode the AI for a series of similar warnings, up to the point where the script of the storyline simply necessitated my PC receiving the formality of at least a scowl from the Ordinators. As I understand TES3 lore, when not directly on call by Lord Vivec, the Ordinators function as Enforcers for those who have taken holy orders (priests) in the Temple. They should (informally) account to a Diviner PC, not a Diviner PC to them.
Accordingly, I think words of welcome maybe tinged with a touch of wariness would be more appropriate towards a Diviner PC equipping Ordinator Armor. Might I suggest: "The Ordinators have been informed of your special status in being allowed to wear our armor, Sacred to the Memory of Saint Nerevar, within the environs of Vivec City. However, we do not number you among the ranks of our order. We will be watching over you, Reverend Sera!"? (Forms a contrast to "We will be watching you--SCUM!" That phrasing could apply to the ranks of Diviner and Master. I like your proposed phrasing for the rank of Patriarch.
Version 1.1 is up! I've changed the greeting for wearing the armor and added a new greeting for if you have a high Temple rank. I've kept the greeting fairly neutral with a hint of disdain. The greeting also explains why they allow you to wear the armor. The greeting for a high Temple rank is on the respectful side. Also added option versions that change what ranks these greeting require, check the description for details.
Capeion21 mentioned that the Ordinators have a more respectful comments as you progress through the Temple quest line. This is because finishing Temple quest gives you positive disposition toward Temple members. Ordinators are part of the Temple faction and therefore get a higher disposition as well. I've chosen to ignore this in the greetings because although the Ordinator armor is scared to their order and you are given a special exception by high Temple members because you go out into the wilderness more than most members, but that doesn't mean the Ordinators agree with that decision (this only affects greetings while wearing the armor). With that said, I think the new greetings gives a good balance between that.
Another implementation which i think is nicer would be to put a condition in the standard response that would check the player's rank. If the rank is higher, the standard response is ignored.
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Edit: For anyone wondering this, yes it works for the necrom armour aswell.
However, the directory in this archive is labelled Data, not Data Files, resulting in NMM failing to show the ESP file loading correctly in the Plugins section.
Had to manually install. No idea if it's actually compatible with NMM as it wouldn't show up.
Anybody else had this problem?
Endorsed.
"You wear the sacred armor of our order. Were you not a %PCRank I would cut you down where you stand, but I will not bring shame upon the Temple by killing one of the faithful. Go about your business, but know that we're watching you."
And at Patriarch:
"You wear the sacred armor of our order, %PC Rank. Wear it proudly and may your actions bring glory to the Temple and all of Morrowind."
If you want to go the route of asking permission to wear the Ordinator armor you could add a dialogue topic for Berel Sala requesting the right?
However,.I do not think Ordinators' reaction should (still!) be so hostile towards a higher-up in the Temple--even if it be the PC! In an unmodded, vanilla playthrough of the MQ, while my PC was a member of the Temple Faction and rising through the ranks, the Ordinators dialog to me became increasingly nicer. To the point that, after I was declared Nerevarine, a curious thing occurred. Grandmaster Berel Sala, in the midst of fulsome appreciation of my rank as Patriarch, momentarily switched to stern warnings before switching back to fulsome appreciation. Evidently, my rank in the Temple overrode the AI for a series of similar warnings, up to the point where the script of the storyline simply necessitated my PC receiving the formality of at least a scowl from the Ordinators. As I understand TES3 lore, when not directly on call by Lord Vivec, the Ordinators function as Enforcers for those who have taken holy orders (priests) in the Temple. They should (informally) account to a Diviner PC, not a Diviner PC to them.
Accordingly, I think words of welcome maybe tinged with a touch of wariness would be more appropriate towards a Diviner PC equipping Ordinator Armor. Might I suggest: "The Ordinators have been informed of your special status in being allowed to wear our armor, Sacred to the Memory of Saint Nerevar, within the environs of Vivec City. However, we do not number you among the ranks of our order. We will be watching over you, Reverend Sera!"? (Forms a contrast to "We will be watching you--SCUM!" That phrasing could apply to the ranks of Diviner and Master. I like your proposed phrasing for the rank of Patriarch.
Capeion21 mentioned that the Ordinators have a more respectful comments as you progress through the Temple quest line. This is because finishing Temple quest gives you positive disposition toward Temple members. Ordinators are part of the Temple faction and therefore get a higher disposition as well. I've chosen to ignore this in the greetings because although the Ordinator armor is scared to their order and you are given a special exception by high Temple members because you go out into the wilderness more than most members, but that doesn't mean the Ordinators agree with that decision (this only affects greetings while wearing the armor). With that said, I think the new greetings gives a good balance between that.
As always, feedback is well appreciated. Cheers!