Question. Does this not work with OpenMW because of the summoning scripts and/or Magicka Expanded? Or is it the new atronachs themselves?
The only thing I want from this mod is to add new enemies to the game, I have no interest in summoning them. Is a non-summon idea still incompatible with OpenMW?
EDIT: For now I'll just use an older version. But if anyone's tested my question let me know. Thanks.
Anyone having issues with the Atronach with newer versions of MWSE ? When I use older version of MWSE all is fine, with newer (and latest) whenever any of these atronachs is summoned they just stay still (not moving or attacking) and same happens to all other summons (vanilla or modded). Other summons resume to normal behavior as soon as the atronach from this mod expires.
I just tested with the latest version of MWSE and the creatures AI is fine. Maybe it's a conflict with another MWSE mod you're using. If you add ".disabled" after the MWSE mod folder name, you can toggle them off for testing purposes.
Thank you for the quick reply. Yesterday tried disabling all mods and the issue still persisted, I was thinking that there is some general issue with the mod. Then decided to add it to an older archived Morrowind install and everything was fine, so I decided to narrow down the differences between the two setups and got to MWSE. Tried with two MWSE archives which I had available, when replacing all files and folders with the old archive, Atronach Expansion started to work, but other mods (like Ashfall) stopped, when replacing with newer archive Atronachs stopped working, finally got around all this by combining the two (got Data Files from new MWSE, but placed the DLLs from the old one). At this point everything was ok, both Atronach Expansion and other mods started to work correctly. Earlier today started to experiment with another mod Animate Weapon Spell, which seems to rely on the newer version of MWSE.dll. Finally narrowed it down to this : MWSE.dll - 25.07.2021 - all mods work (including Atronach Expansion), except for Animate Weapon Spell MWSE.dll - 23.08.2021 - all mods work, except for Atronach Expansion
Upon inspection of MWSE.log with both variants the peculiar thing is that I can't find anywhere in it Atronach Expansion initialized as the other lua mods.
I just worked things out with the author of Magicka Expanded (ME) and the MWSE team and figured out where the issue was coming from. If you update to ME 2.07, the summons should work correctly again!
Unfortunately not at this time. Magicka Expanded doesn't enable the spells to be used by NPCs by default due to engine limitations. Hopefully this will change in the future!
Hey, there is a potential problem with the leveled lists in this mod! It removes the "Calculate from all levels <= PC's level" flag from some of the leveled lists, namely the tombs, and if this gets passed on to the tes3cmd multipatch. Wrye Mash's Mashed lists are ok, though.
If the multipatch is used, players will only encounter the highest level enemies in tombs after a certain point.
P.S.: That was why I removed your Undead Glass Berserker from my mod list, because I hardly encountered any other enemies in Tombs any more.
Ok, you are right - it's "The Undead" that sets the flag in the first place. So it's an issue with the multipatch reverting the flag to vanilla. Sorry about that! I've just recently startet playing the game again for the first time in years and I'm finding so many bugs in all kinds of mods...
After the summon timer for the Telvanni Myconid ends, the game crashes without fail; doesn't happen with any other summons. Can you help me with this? I'm digging this mod way too much to just disable and go on!
EDIT: reverting back to 2.14 seems to fix that, but now when I use Summon Crystal Golem, it summons what seems like infinite copies of it!
Sure thing. They're both in the same folder as your Morrowind.exe. One is called "warnings.txt" and I believe the other one is just called "mwselog.txt" or something to that affect.
Here you go. They seem completely irrelevant to the crash, which worries me. To add injury to insult, the crash appears to be from ANY creature from this mod ONLY after the timer ends naturally without the golems dying (despite my first impressions).
To clarify, I use about 250 mods so I've gathered some proficiency swapping and cleaning mods & my save files. I bought the spells from scratch after deleting the old version spells to test it fresh.
The mods I use include Magicka Expanded vanilla-friendly & framework versions, which are the only mods that come to mind in relevance with MWSE & your mod, especially considering the non-MWSE version worked fine for me.
EDIT: I think I'm noticing only now that when using the old version the spells work as intended but the description for them is bound gloves? I'm not on OpenMW btw. EDIT 2: Hahah it acts so weird in a funny way! It doesn't actually spawn gloves, but if I switch my gloves when I have a summon going on it crashes!
Yeah, the old version used mwscript to make new "spell effects". The new version is using MWSE Lua with the Magicka Expanded (ME) functionality as you saw. Which version of ME are you using? I'll try to replicate the issue.
Please confirm that you've updated to the latest version of Magicka Expanded. And are you using MAO? There was a similar report of summons causing crashes due to a conflict between ME and MAO.
Yes I use MAO, and I use the latest MWSE according to the updater I got from the MGE XE package. I have the 27 november (latest) version of Magicka Expanded (Readme file doesn't state version, but my folder is called "Magicka Expanded-47111-1-3-1574818274"); I only use the framework and vanilla ESPs.
You can try disabling the MWSE add on for MAO as it sounds like that's the culprit. If it is and you decide to keep it instead, you'll have issues with any mods or spell packs that add summoned creatures using the Magicka Expanded framework. Unfortunately, despite how cool it is, MAO is known to cause a lot of conflicts (such as any scripted mods which attempt to check for sounds which MAO overwrites - breaking a lot of scripts).
Gotcha, I'll try that and let you know. So far when I disabled the merged MAO.esm and enabled every plugin other than extended, the mod "seemed" to work fine, but didn't actually play pcvoice sounds. The rabbit hole of bugs kinda tired me out so if I get a chance to test your 3.1 after that I'll surely post here.
Was there any fix for the Bound Glove error with OpenMW on the spells? When casting the spell it doesn't seem to actually have any sort of duration and allows you to summon in multiple copies of a single summon, when I went into the CS to see if there was any way to fix this myself I saw that the actual spells, replaced by Bound Glove, seemed to either be missing or I was just unable to find them. The atronachs look amazing so I'd really like to be able to use this mod but I'm just not really sure how to fix this issue myself.
You’d have to ask the OpenMW folks that question. The reason you don’t see the spells is because they’re scripts. This is a common method used in mods to get new summon spells.
Thank you for the reply, I see what you mean now after having a look through the scripts themselves it looks like everything was actually working fine and the limit to the summon itself wasn't a bug after all then.
Is the optional Air Atronach patch compatible with the other fixes and changes that have been made from v2.10 onwards? Eg. will the creatures still have rebalanced speed, will the icons be fixed, and the Myconids have the better hitboxes?
Out of curiosity, why did you remove the Air Atronach from the main file? Were you not satisfied with it, or was it for bug or compatibility reasons?
The main thing you will miss if you use the Air Atronach version are the speed tweaks, The rest of it are model/icon edits iirc. I am not happy with the quality of the air atronach.
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The only thing I want from this mod is to add new enemies to the game, I have no interest in summoning them.
Is a non-summon idea still incompatible with OpenMW?
EDIT: For now I'll just use an older version. But if anyone's tested my question let me know. Thanks.
When I use older version of MWSE all is fine, with newer (and latest) whenever any of these atronachs is summoned they just stay still (not moving or attacking) and same happens to all other summons (vanilla or modded). Other summons resume to normal behavior as soon as the atronach from this mod expires.
Yesterday tried disabling all mods and the issue still persisted, I was thinking that there is some general issue with the mod.
Then decided to add it to an older archived Morrowind install and everything was fine, so I decided to narrow down the differences between the two setups and got to MWSE. Tried with two MWSE archives which I had available, when replacing all files and folders with the old archive, Atronach Expansion started to work, but other mods (like Ashfall) stopped, when replacing with newer archive Atronachs stopped working, finally got around all this by combining the two (got Data Files from new MWSE, but placed the DLLs from the old one). At this point everything was ok, both Atronach Expansion and other mods started to work correctly.
Earlier today started to experiment with another mod Animate Weapon Spell, which seems to rely on the newer version of MWSE.dll.
Finally narrowed it down to this :
MWSE.dll - 25.07.2021 - all mods work (including Atronach Expansion), except for Animate Weapon Spell
MWSE.dll - 23.08.2021 - all mods work, except for Atronach Expansion
Upon inspection of MWSE.log with both variants the peculiar thing is that I can't find anywhere in it Atronach Expansion initialized as the other lua mods.
Just a question, is the movement speed of Bone Golem intentional (slow), or ?
If the multipatch is used, players will only encounter the highest level enemies in tombs after a certain point.
P.S.: That was why I removed your Undead Glass Berserker from my mod list, because I hardly encountered any other enemies in Tombs any more.
EDIT: reverting back to 2.14 seems to fix that, but now when I use Summon Crystal Golem, it summons what seems like infinite copies of it!
Here you go. They seem completely irrelevant to the crash, which worries me. To add injury to insult, the crash appears to be from ANY creature from this mod ONLY after the timer ends naturally without the golems dying (despite my first impressions).
To clarify, I use about 250 mods so I've gathered some proficiency swapping and cleaning mods & my save files. I bought the spells from scratch after deleting the old version spells to test it fresh.
The mods I use include Magicka Expanded vanilla-friendly & framework versions, which are the only mods that come to mind in relevance with MWSE & your mod, especially considering the non-MWSE version worked fine for me.
EDIT: I think I'm noticing only now that when using the old version the spells work as intended but the description for them is bound gloves? I'm not on OpenMW btw.
EDIT 2: Hahah it acts so weird in a funny way! It doesn't actually spawn gloves, but if I switch my gloves when I have a summon going on it crashes!
When casting the spell it doesn't seem to actually have any sort of duration and allows you to summon in multiple copies of a single summon, when I went into the CS to see if there was any way to fix this myself I saw that the actual spells, replaced by Bound Glove, seemed to either be missing or I was just unable to find them.
The atronachs look amazing so I'd really like to be able to use this mod but I'm just not really sure how to fix this issue myself.
Out of curiosity, why did you remove the Air Atronach from the main file? Were you not satisfied with it, or was it for bug or compatibility reasons?