In Fallout 3 the BOS decided to changed some of it's views and values to benefit the people of the wasteland, rather than being hardcore, selfish tech zealots like their counterparts in the West. Many in the Brotherhood did not like the changes instated under Elder Lyons and decided to desert their kinder brothers and sisters in pursuit of restoring their group to the original set of rules that forced them to focus EXCLUSIVELY on "technology recovery and preservation". This is why you don't see Outcasts in Fo4, the outcasts integrated into the NEW Maxson Chapter.
TL;DR: Outcasts,Western Brotherhood, and Commonwealth Maxson Chapter are all Traditionalist Zealots.
Lyon's D.C. Chapter in Fallout 3 are more liberal and progressive.
Point in fact, the Outcasts are the dominant ideology in Fallout 4's Brotherhood.
Look at the Brotherhood of Steel paint job in Fallout 4. It is not clean steel with white details. It is black armor with red details. Many of their scribes wear black uniforms.
Yes, the scribe whom is a former Lyons brotherhood scribe having left the brotherhood after Maxon took over - after Sarah Lyons and the Lyons pride were conveniently killed - not saying assassinated but you get my drift, once Maxon was in power he reached out to the outcasts and they re-merged but you can bet there was a lot of resistance to this along with purging of the brotherhood's own rank's by Maxon's faction since the Outcasts were essentially deserters whom had left when elder Lyons was the leader on very bad term's and blood had been spilled on both sides of that divide.
So to my mind while yes Lyons is dead but there were a lot of brotherhood in the east coast faction whom were fiercely loyal to him and to his ideal's that just perhaps they are not actually gone just not among the rank and file anymore after the bloody purges following squire Maxon's appointment by the West Coast elders.
This actually seem's at first like a very bad decision by the east coast brotherhood as previously under lyon's they had started to allow capital waste lander's to apply to join there rank's and were in a position to actually turn Washington into a genuine brotherhood defended state from which they could operate in security after the defeat of the enclave and the discovery of the super mutant breeding vault.
Suddenly they are no longer the friend's of the people around them, helping to restore the wasteland is no longer there primary goal and instead they are poised to turn the re-emergent Washington and nearby Boston into re-run's of what they had done in Pittsburgh, the only one's that gain from this are actually the already weakened west coast brotherhood elders whom may have been facing revolt in there own diminishing rank's as there rank and file had heard how the west coast chapter were now growing and successful.
But undoubtedly not all outcasts would have returned, some maybe actually became used to there rogue lifestyle and there smaller version of the brotherhood which had given them more importance and despite maxon's return to the values they once held dear it is perhaps likely that some of there unit's would have refused to return to serve beside knight's that they had perhaps come to hate after losing there own brothers in skirmishes with the then Lyon's ruled east coast chapter.
So some outcast's may still exist, how many is a matter of conjecture but once they had earned there own independent identity from the brotherhood they may have been unwilling to relinquish it so quickly, after all there were less of them and they benefited more personally from the technology and resources they seized when acting as outcast's than the larger chapter they had once been a part of would ever have allowed them to have in the past, so having become far more personally wealthy from there small organization they had actually a lot to lose by re-merging with the east coast chapter.
Here is a thought, what if remnant's of the outcasts and the enclave remnant were somehow to have merged - even more unlikely I know but what if - would they then have become a third power armor using fanatical sect set to be unleashed upon the wasteland with access to who know's what technology and who know's what agenda.
I like it, do you think you can make Npc Mod where Outcast Npc's roam the wasteland like fallout 3? and some you can spawn in to follow you it would be awesome. I loved the paintjob did a great job on it
Lyons chapter was a splinter faction really. the BoS mentality is that of the outcasts and what you see in FO4.
what i would have liked to see, is a was to get maxson to cool it and maybe start begin a little more like lyons. they were what the BoS and the country needed...
Well after Maxson tried to make me to exacute a good friend, and failed. Afterwards he promoted me to Paladin, and as a S.P.E.C.I.A.L thanks I filled his face with explosive buckshot, and then I allowed the Minutemen to barrage the airport, but now I can be an outcast and be one with pride!
yeah, these BoS guys and the outcasts are the same thing, yo. Lyons divided the BoS of the east. and after all the Lyons had unfortunate deaths, a Maxson took back over reunited them, built that stupid mobile oppression ship, and flew around dispensing "justice"
that's really cool and well done, but the FO4 BoS are pretty much the Outcasts....
They were only "Outcasts" in DC. In Actuality, they were keeping true to the BOS ways, Lyons was the one breaking all the protocols and doing things that were different than BoS SOP.
Lyons' choices led to the BoS being divided in DC, and after they were out of the way Maxson reunified them for the most part, they built that big stupid airship, and flew to the commonwealth to hunt synths.
tbh when I first met Danse I thought "hay the outcasts are in fo4 too! i know where i'm getting my cool looking PA at". if you notice, the BoS in 4 have darker paint than usual and red accents(like the outcasts did), they have the same overbearing, entitled, and lets face it...shitty attitude that the outcasts had, with the addition of the misguided hate of the leader Maxson himself.
so, to get back on topic....those guys in the first picture should be high fiving and taking moonlight powerarmor strolls....now if someone from the old lyons pride battalion, that would be some accurate stuffs lol
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This is why you don't see Outcasts in Fo4, the outcasts integrated into the NEW Maxson Chapter.
TL;DR:
Outcasts,Western Brotherhood, and Commonwealth Maxson Chapter are all Traditionalist Zealots.
Lyon's D.C. Chapter in Fallout 3 are more liberal and progressive.
Look at the Brotherhood of Steel paint job in Fallout 4. It is not clean steel with white details. It is black armor with red details. Many of their scribes wear black uniforms.
Fallout 4's Brotherhood ARE the Outcasts.
So to my mind while yes Lyons is dead but there were a lot of brotherhood in the east coast faction whom were fiercely loyal to him and to his ideal's that just perhaps they are not actually gone just not among the rank and file anymore after the bloody purges following squire Maxon's appointment by the West Coast elders.
This actually seem's at first like a very bad decision by the east coast brotherhood as previously under lyon's they had started to allow capital waste lander's to apply to join there rank's and were in a position to actually turn Washington into a genuine brotherhood defended state from which they could operate in security after the defeat of the enclave and the discovery of the super mutant breeding vault.
Suddenly they are no longer the friend's of the people around them, helping to restore the wasteland is no longer there primary goal and instead they are poised to turn the re-emergent Washington and nearby Boston into re-run's of what they had done in Pittsburgh, the only one's that gain from this are actually the already weakened west coast brotherhood elders whom may have been facing revolt in there own diminishing rank's as there rank and file had heard how the west coast chapter were now growing and successful.
But undoubtedly not all outcasts would have returned, some maybe actually became used to there rogue lifestyle and there smaller version of the brotherhood which had given them more importance and despite maxon's return to the values they once held dear it is perhaps likely that some of there unit's would have refused to return to serve beside knight's that they had perhaps come to hate after losing there own brothers in skirmishes with the then Lyon's ruled east coast chapter.
So some outcast's may still exist, how many is a matter of conjecture but once they had earned there own independent identity from the brotherhood they may have been unwilling to relinquish it so quickly, after all there were less of them and they benefited more personally from the technology and resources they seized when acting as outcast's than the larger chapter they had once been a part of would ever have allowed them to have in the past, so having become far more personally wealthy from there small organization they had actually a lot to lose by re-merging with the east coast chapter.
Here is a thought, what if remnant's of the outcasts and the enclave remnant were somehow to have merged - even more unlikely I know but what if - would they then have become a third power armor using fanatical sect set to be unleashed upon the wasteland with access to who know's what technology and who know's what agenda.
@Don_Kain, nice job on this.
I hoped that in this game, we didn't have to deal with the western chapter kind of BoS. Oh well....
what i would have liked to see, is a was to get maxson to cool it and maybe start begin a little more like lyons. they were what the BoS and the country needed...
They were only "Outcasts" in DC. In Actuality, they were keeping true to the BOS ways, Lyons was the one breaking all the protocols and doing things that were different than BoS SOP.
Lyons' choices led to the BoS being divided in DC, and after they were out of the way Maxson reunified them for the most part, they built that big stupid airship, and flew to the commonwealth to hunt synths.
tbh when I first met Danse I thought "hay the outcasts are in fo4 too! i know where i'm getting my cool looking PA at". if you notice, the BoS in 4 have darker paint than usual and red accents(like the outcasts did), they have the same overbearing, entitled, and lets face it...shitty attitude that the outcasts had, with the addition of the misguided hate of the leader Maxson himself.
so, to get back on topic....those guys in the first picture should be high fiving and taking moonlight powerarmor strolls....now if someone from the old lyons pride battalion, that would be some accurate stuffs lol