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  1. BryanBreynolds
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    Bethesda logic: "balancing" automatic weapons by adding a shitload of recoil. 
    That bs makes it nearly impossible to use any vanilla reflex sights on automatic weapons, due to the ridicilous ADS shaking.
    They also decided to nerf the damage into oblivion on automatic weapons, which gets even more pathetic on Very Hard and Survival (the game cuts your dmg in half).
  2. SkullCrusher51
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    One thing i see moders forgeting too is the fact how lasers work in fallout sure the laser rifle may not cause much recoial But the automatic laser has a rotateing peace that could cause recoial. Same gose with the gatling laser.
  3. Rust103
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    Can it work on mod weapons like watts rifle?
    1. deleted173392183
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      If it uses the vanilla aim data, then yes. If it uses a custom one, then no.
  4. J4ckH4mm3r
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    My dudes, is a game. You like your laser rifles have recoil? Yes? Then go and play. No? then download a mod that remove it completly. Just a bit? Then this is your mod. Nobody will give you a Nobel because you can give a plausible explanation of why laser weapons have recoil.

    Jeez.
    1. MageBlade
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      I was going to be like why are you making a big hubub about this. Then I saw the trainwreck...
  5. Yellllloooooow13
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    I can't believe I am that guy...

    Actually, you're trying to apply Newtonian laws to a relativistic phenomenon: photons don't have mass but it doesn't mean it doesn't have momentum.
    In this case, the formula you need is E² -p²c² = m²c^4 ( E is the energy of the photons, p is the momentum, c is the speed of light and m is the mass of a photon) which? is the equivalent of E² = p²c² ( because m = 0kg for photons).

    The energy of the photons can be calculated via the colour of the ray ( red for most laser rifle and blue-ish for the institute's) which is the wavelength of the light emitted by the laser around 650nm for the red and something like 480nm for the blue. The energy E is h*c/? (h being Planck's constant, 6,626 070 15 ×?10?34 J s, and ? is the wavelength). In the case of the red laser rifles, the energy is around 3.06 x 10-19 J for each photon and 4.14 x 10-19 for the blue laser. Not very impressive but keep in mind it's only one photon, a .45 bullet would have to be insanely slow to match such a low energy.

    Let's try to find how many photons are being thrown at your target each time you press the trigger! Or we could use someone's work (ShoddyCast did determine that a single shot of a laser Gatling is delivering 899J of energy(video, around 9:00), a .45 round weighting 11g would have to go at 404 m/s to match that kind of energy, the speed of sound bing 340m/s). Assuming the laser rifles are as powerful, we can conclude that each shot is sending 2.94 x 10+21 photons toward your target. Let's assume the institute's rifles are basically emitting as many photons as regular laser rifles, they're delivering 1217J each time you fire ( our mighty .45 rounds would need to go at 470m/s to match this energy)

    I might have been carried away... Anyway, the important thing is : lasers have recoil
    1. AtomicTEM
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      So what value should the recoil be set at?
    2. Battlemane
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      According to his math, the recoil you have it set to is close enough. 
  6. streetyson
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    You're all wrong, sadly. True, there'd be practically zero recoil from the photons, but heat would be a far more serious issue than you're envisioning. Overheating is the limiting factor in making lasers powerful enough for weaponry - for a real world tech discussion of thermal management of lasers and other directed energy weapons see this article from the September 2020 issue of the Aerospace & Defense Technology magazine. And that's just when housing such barely-strong-enough weapons on big vehicles like tanks and subs. If there ever was a powerful enough laser small enough to fit in a handgun, that heat problem would be immense and need a serious mechanism for superfast cooling, shifting heat away in a fraction of a second or else after a few shots the gun would overheat and fail. That'd mean either a massive liquid cooling rig carried by a team of brahmin - or, more practically (and imaginatively, futuristically speaking), some sort of disposable shot of compressed super chilled gas (perhaps combined into the ammo cells) to immediately soak up the heat in the chamber, and then ultrafast venting to expel it before the next shot is fired. All that would result in at least similar recoil to a normal gun (probably far worse recoil, but one would imagine such designs wouldn't make it into production unless or until recoil was made manageable).
    1. deleted80377043
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      We can safely suppose that these problems were solved in the Fallout universe.
    2. ProfVerstrooid
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      One of my favourite hobbies is examining fictional technology and trying to figure out how it works.

      Taking what you said in mind; inspecting the gun's model closely I see a few parts which might clue-in the hypothetical functioning of the gun. I suppose that the orange cable affixed to each laser gun could be a pipe which leads to an exhaust vent, right? Such exhaust vent appears to be affixed to the top right front end of the gun. Thus, the recoil displayed in-game is from the hot, high pressure air expelling out of the exhaust pipe.

      I can't figure out how the mechanism would be able to channel the heat to dissipate through the exhaust pipe and not stay in the gun. I suppose the exhaust couldn't travel out the barrel of the gun - where the laser shoots out - or else the lenses would get damaged, right? Because I also suppose that the green cuboid houses magnifying and focusing lenses.
  7. TheGodFormerlyKnownAsJohnX
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    Photons don't have mass whatsoever. Just heat.
    The lens would get distorted by the heat, causing the lasers to change and lose focus/intensity. There should be a cooldown period that requires the user to stop for a brief minute or the gun breaks because obviously a lens that's warped and/or melted cant focus the light into a high-intensity beam.
  8. xxxAlexHxxx
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    So simple yet so right ! 
  9. SLIMMERTHANJIM
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    ESSENTIAL. Downloaded and endorsed!
  10. vatch
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    exactly what I thought. Why would Lasers weapons recoil?