So many Americans here not knowing political ideologies 101, Have you guys never heard of Anarcho-Syndicalism, or, wait, just pure syndicalism? Sure, its almost forgotten system but its a branch of Social-anarchism.
Also, liberals ain't leftists, they sell their own class, they are anti-gun and anti-revolutionary.
@ibiki10 Just FYI, "Marxism-Leninism" as a term was coined by Stalin and refers to the ideology of the USSR under him. It's sort of the 'official' term of what most call "Stalinism". The USSR under most of Lenin's leadership is usually just referred to as Leninism, and most leftists who approve of Lenin but reject Stalin (such as the Trots for example) don't refer to it or themselves as ML(s).
"BC baby, I'm an anarchist, you're a spineless liberal..." "we marched together, for the 8-hour day and held hands in the streets of seattle" "but when it came time to throw bricks thru that Starbucks window you left me alll alone (all alone)"
@Gocker (others have pointed out Stalins flaws etc) but I feel like another important thing to point out is that, towards the end of the Soviet Union, Democratic elements (kind of a 5th Column, but not exactly) were able to form in major parts of Soviet leadership, combined with (alleged) CIA infiltration, which led to the illegal dissolution of the USSR.
Hello dear comrades. There is little talk and information about Syndicalism and social libertarianism in our country. I understand this is more common in the West. After a little digging into the sources, I realized that this is Menshevism. Socialists who are so intimidated by capitalist propaganda that they disguise socialism in liberal-bourgeois colors so that they are simply not crushed. Which is clear and understandable. Socialism in the West has always had its way, I hope you find it someday. But, nevertheless, I think, as some comrades have noted here, without finishing it to the end: Marxism-Lenin-!Stalinism! here was a system that really went along the path to Developed Socialism, which, unfortunately, ended with Khrushchev's revisionist counter-revolution, the execution of workers in Novo Cherkaska and the further bourgeoisification of the country. This problem has been little discussed in socialism so far, but there are already some theoretical studies among Marxists in our country. It's called "Scientific Centralism". A theory that will solve the problems of revisionism in the socialist system. And do not be deceived by the capitalist lies, comrades! It was the "democratic" elections that brought to power in the USSR such populist bandits as Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich. Such elections are always used by the privileged class for their own purposes! This is the road to nowhere!
Your syndicalism is just mish-mashed anarchism & ultra-socialism - typical half-baked BS for militant workers to excuse themselves in their twisted worldview. Either way, clearly it's the very antithesis of what the Minutemen stand for. Try telling Abernathy he doesn't own his farm, wages are slavery, caps and all money are tools of oppression. And his family must now work to feed your army of protectors, his only payment is the joy of being in your juvenile utopia - and I'll watch as he blows your brains out with his shotgun.
What a funny churchill came lol Actually, according to the mechanics (and lore) of THIS game, it happens EXACTLY as you described. Abernetty gives the Player (and the Minutemen) his farm and becomes a cog in the Minutemen commune system. If you don't like it, go to Bethesda lol
(Well, or an idea for a mod - the mechanics of ownership and coordination of actions on the Abernathy farm through dialogue and charisma! Damn, I'll even download this..)
If you think this is rude and conventional (quite possibly, this is Bethesda) and you worry about the motivation of a FICTIONAL character - well, dude, Abernathy exists in a post-apocalyptic world with raiders, super-mutants and other schizophrenic crap that we don’t see in ours real life. In such circumstances, I personally accept that Abernathy may make some very drastic bargains with his conscience in order to survive.
"These Minutemen are really much less evil than the super mutants who live across the lake... and now I really don’t care what these dudes believe in, they have 6-round laser muskets which will one-shot these green bastards, they quickly spawn near my farm" lol "And all they need is to live on my land. And yes, they even will build something on my farm! Damn raiders only took and killed my daughter!"
It is pointless and ridiculous to compare the motivation of farmer Abernathy from SUCH a fictional universe with a farmer in the real USA, who, even by the standards of our world, lives in very hothouse conditions and can defend yourself (not even with a gun, but through court) for the rights to his property and even his gender identity.
P.S.: And of course we will also look at your farmers with guns from the real USA, when our usual crap begins, which has happened to humanity many times, without super mutants and rad scorpions - what decisions will they make and how will they care about property rights. And it turns out that a shotgun and boyish show-offs are not enough - you need a crowd of like-minded people and brains to fight and build lol
Brother, Marixst-Leninist principles have led to more collective deaths than national socialism, and most of those were in completely avoidable famines caused by central planning committees, the rest of whom in forced labour camps. I don't know why our history classes tell us so little about communism when it's the same in effect as fascism. I swear, fascists are just honest communists.
Actually if you start counting the death given by liberal democracies...Well you can write a black book of capitalism. However this is just a mod, leave it and let the good people there loving their exploiting capitalism.
To everyone here im going to be plain and simple: My political orientation doesn't matter here - what does matter is that the Minutemen are supposed to be an idealized version of American Patriotism. Less American Patriotism and more what American Patriotism could be. I would tend to think that the Minutemen are collective for that specific reason. They care not for what their ideals are nor of what the ideals of its participants are. Only, that they care that any actions committed be benevolent and out of good will for the community. For that reason, I think they are Cooperativist, but someone else may see this comment and take away that they instead are just Conservatives. And to be honest that is fine. Because it is your Minutemen that you made.
That is what makes this faction so wonderful. You can make it what you think is the most benevolent ideology. And even if you disagree on what that may be. The Minutemen will still be a faction that aspires for the most good for the most people.
The reason why I said my ideals dont matter here is because: I may be a socialist (an admittedly moderate one) - I still think that so long as you take the Minuteman route, and save ghouls, save synths, tolerate minorities, and do good in the world. There is no reason why your Minutemen is somehow anachronistic. Because deep down the Minutemen go beyond the surface-level idealism of ideology. Instead, they just work off of pure human nature.
Honestly really enjoy this analysis of the Minutemen. I feel like you hit the nail on the head. That being said theres also room for the anarcho-synsicalist interpretation, and thats also a really cool angle. The minutemen have a lot of wasted potential, i'm realising just now.
Love this mod, a must have for me. I made a socialist build using your flag mod and your radio mod: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4Builds/comments/16wjhwg/wasteland_socialist_build/
That might be neat. The Quincy creation club addon gives a lot more paintjobs but they are more patriotic in nature. Check Oxhorn's video if you are interested.
no attempt...? tell me you know absolutely nothing about history without telling me you know absolutely nothing about history lmfao why do you think the CIA used so many resources and money to shut down communist movements in literally every single country that tried to implement even the tiniest bit of social reform? there have been MANY attempts, most were either shut down via coups or mass murders. the jakarta method is an excellent book that details the horrific lengths that the US government (and the British and the French...and other imperialist countries) went to secure their capital. Countries like Indonesia that we're even aligned with the Soviet Union (and didn't want to be because it was also an imperialist country of course) had up to maybe 2 million of their people slaughtered for simply voting for the communist party. If it was so doomed to fail, why bother putting all those resources and money into stopping it?
Hey, I'm the original creator of the first two flags, it's great to see this mod is still up. The anarcho-syndicalist versions rock too! I sort of forgot about this mod until I found it referenced on a Quora thread about if the minutemen were communists, guess that's my contribution to Fallout 4 modding LOL.
The sectarians in the posts crack me up. I'm a Marxist-Leninist myself. It's a video game and a community made mod, comrades, chill out!
Hello, I made a flag patch to replace the patch based on vanilla Minutemen flag of Militarized Minutemen based on your version one flag. Would you please authorise me to upload the replacer onto Nexusmods?
As a gun loving, freedom adoring Socialist, this pleases me greatly. Version 1 has a permanent spot in my load order now. Up with the proletariat comrades!
A few short years ago, I would have disagreed with this statement wholesale. Nowadays, however, I say "I am so far left, you get your guns buck" and it fries the brains of people who dare call me a liberal.
Not really. Marx wanted his proletariat to be armed in time for the bloody revolution. A bit like he defended slavery in the US as it could benefit the working class. This is par for the course, nothing of the dogmatic left is surprising. If for freedom it's the freedom to oppress the alleged oppressor groups. In the end, power is all that really matters.
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Also, liberals ain't leftists, they sell their own class, they are anti-gun and anti-revolutionary.
Marxist-Leninist is the way to go. Without unity, we fall apart.
The USSR under most of Lenin's leadership is usually just referred to as Leninism, and most leftists who approve of Lenin but reject Stalin (such as the Trots for example) don't refer to it or themselves as ML(s).
"we marched together, for the 8-hour day and held hands in the streets of seattle"
"but when it came time to throw bricks thru that Starbucks window you left me alll alone (all alone)"
After a little digging into the sources, I realized that this is Menshevism. Socialists who are so intimidated by capitalist propaganda that they disguise socialism in liberal-bourgeois colors so that they are simply not crushed. Which is clear and understandable.
Socialism in the West has always had its way, I hope you find it someday. But, nevertheless, I think, as some comrades have noted here, without finishing it to the end:
Marxism-Lenin-!Stalinism! here was a system that really went along the path to Developed Socialism, which, unfortunately, ended with Khrushchev's revisionist counter-revolution, the execution of workers in Novo Cherkaska and the further bourgeoisification of the country.
This problem has been little discussed in socialism so far, but there are already some theoretical studies among Marxists in our country. It's called "Scientific Centralism". A theory that will solve the problems of revisionism in the socialist system.
And do not be deceived by the capitalist lies, comrades! It was the "democratic" elections that brought to power in the USSR such populist bandits as Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich. Such elections are always used by the privileged class for their own purposes! This is the road to nowhere!
(Well, or an idea for a mod - the mechanics of ownership and coordination of actions on the Abernathy farm through dialogue and charisma! Damn, I'll even download this..)
If you think this is rude and conventional (quite possibly, this is Bethesda) and you worry about the motivation of a FICTIONAL character - well, dude, Abernathy exists in a post-apocalyptic world with raiders, super-mutants and other schizophrenic crap that we don’t see in ours real life. In such circumstances, I personally accept that Abernathy may make some very drastic bargains with his conscience in order to survive.
"These Minutemen are really much less evil than the super mutants who live across the lake... and now I really don’t care what these dudes believe in, they have 6-round laser muskets which will one-shot these green bastards, they quickly spawn near my farm" lol "And all they need is to live on my land. And yes, they even will build something on my farm! Damn raiders only took and killed my daughter!"
It is pointless and ridiculous to compare the motivation of farmer Abernathy from SUCH a fictional universe with a farmer in the real USA, who, even by the standards of our world, lives in very hothouse conditions and can defend yourself (not even with a gun, but through court) for the rights to his property and even his gender identity.
P.S.: And of course we will also look at your farmers with guns from the real USA, when our usual crap begins, which has happened to humanity many times, without super mutants and rad scorpions - what decisions will they make and how will they care about property rights. And it turns out that a shotgun and boyish show-offs are not enough - you need a crowd of like-minded people and brains to fight and build lol
That is what makes this faction so wonderful. You can make it what you think is the most benevolent ideology. And even if you disagree on what that may be. The Minutemen will still be a faction that aspires for the most good for the most people.
The reason why I said my ideals dont matter here is because: I may be a socialist (an admittedly moderate one) - I still think that so long as you take the Minuteman route, and save ghouls, save synths, tolerate minorities, and do good in the world. There is no reason why your Minutemen is somehow anachronistic. Because deep down the Minutemen go beyond the surface-level idealism of ideology. Instead, they just work off of pure human nature.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4Builds/comments/16wjhwg/wasteland_socialist_build/
The sectarians in the posts crack me up. I'm a Marxist-Leninist myself. It's a video game and a community made mod, comrades, chill out!