As the fight for this mod is never-ending, I will possibly soon remove the mod, if this continues :/ I already had to write over 20 mails about this, and its honestly not worth my well being anymore.
Appreciate the constant work to try and keep all these mods congruent and compatible. I feel its rather silly and lame to lead users this far only to purposely break stuff later because of disagreements over pixels in the end trying to make the fanbase and users have to choose over a visual aesthetic. Thank you King of Worms for being mature enough and willing to continue keeping these great mod combinations intact, which keeps users happy and the overall modding community intact. Innocent fans and users should not have to suffer over one's hissy fits. Thanks for staying mature and compassionate to the users over this particular mod. DREAM is moving forward and an essential part of DFUs evolution.
Sure, credits to Ninelan are due and in the "Credits" section as well. Im also sending her 50% of DP points this mod generates. I did all the work on recreating this to HD with help from Zoran. It took us 2 years... Ninelan did the pixel art for base DET.
You feel like I owe you something? If you want to make HD version of whole DET, get permission like I did for the assets included in this mod, and have fun :)
I tried to update the Dream Expanded textures on a saved game and half of Wayrest was destroyed. It worked fine with the previous version, so I went back to it. Before anyone tell me about the DET 1.0 drama: I have everything else to date, no "legacy" versions of anything.
Ive played with the patch Ive provided here for months. So I know it works.
"I have everything else to date, no "legacy" versions of anything" - that can mean a lot of things. It can also mean thats the reason you faced the issues. If any mod you use - which depends on DET - is not updated to DET 1.0.0 and you dont have Legacy version, and update DET to 1.0.0 that your game gets all messed up with the update.
Maybe save us all some trouble, get all 4 DET mods Ive linked, sort them the way Ive described, and you will be golden. Than you will not have to think about this ever again.
I agree its confusing as hell, but thats the route the DET team took, accompanied with lack of proper documentation and explanation, it was a recipe for disaster for many ppl.
PS: Did you try to inform the DET author at the DET page? Because that page looks barren like a desert. With so many downloads, theres only 40 comments there. Its a bit strange.
This is kind of messy so I will try to explain myself as best as possible.
I only have the last version of DET. Of course, I experienced the horrible tragedies of the dissapearing cities of Daggerfall but, luckily enough, that times is long gone. Now I'm fine. I have installed more than 100 mods. I posted a question in the DET forum some weeks ago because I saw a lot of graphical problems. However, I discovered the problem was NOT the new DET package but the new RMB package so I have installed the previous version of the RMB.
I have (among others) this stuff:
Locations Overhauled - Thieves Guild
Forts Overhauled - Llugwych
Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall
Village of Fishguard
Soldier's Luxury (unless using the version integrated into Beautiful Cities/Villages)
Main Quest Definitive Edition
Whispers from the East
the new DET-DREAM Patch
I DO NOT have any of this stuff:
Cities Overhauled - Armorers
Low Poly Skakmat
Finding My Religion Vanilla Flat Restoration
Shrekfall
Main Quest Enhanced
DET Uncensored
The original DET-DREAM Patch
When having to choose, I always choose content before graphical overhauls. For example, I love "Lively Cities" but it's incompatible with far too many mods I consider essential.
I know the problem with Wayrest was the new DREAM DET because the moment I went back to the previous version everything worked fine.
Well, I think I will stop writing here. We all have enough with two volumes of the adventures of Don Quixote.
Thanks in advance. You're making Daggerfall the best game of all time :)
in this load order, and than u had issues? Or u just refuse to do it correctly?
Because it definitely seems so, according to what you have written. You dont have legacy DET, and you most likely replaced DET - DREAM with DET - DREAM 1.0.0 and that will never work.
Because u say "the moment I went back to the previous version everything worked fine" - and that suggest you might think THIS MOD you downloaded here, is a replacement of the old dream patch. Its is not. You need both.
Listen, either get the 4 mods I describe, put em in the correct order, and than make a report that its working (because it will) - or just stay on what you are and stop posting confusing stuff :D
You say you have Locations Overhauled - Thieves Guild Forts Overhauled - Llugwych Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall
and god knows how many mods which are on the list Cabra posted for you.
It means, you need the 4 mod setup Im instructing everybody to use. So either do it, or stop posting about issues you are having :D
Cabra, I think I will remove the 2 mod version in the description, it will take a while until all mods are updated, and ppl are more safe to use the 4 mods combo. I run the 4 mod version on my PC for month(s) and I have zero issues, so I know it works.
Sorry if I look a little bit dumb, but I'm new to modding. I definitely didn't understand some pretty essential stuff. Basically, I thought "Daggerfall Expanded Textures 1.0.0 - Dream" was the new version of "Daggerfall Expanded Textures - Dream". I didn't knew I needed both.I played with the recommended settings for a couple of hours and had no issues. Everything works as intended.
However, I still don't understand why I need the "legacy" version of DET. Mods like Locations Overhauled - Llugwych and Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall have been conveniently updated to work with DET 1.0.0. I also have "Mod Issue checker" installed and it didnt detect any major issues. I didn't experience any problems during my "Whispers of the East" campaign and I've been playing for about 40 hours with a new character. Finally, I want to address that, when using Daggerfall Expanded Textures - Dream, I didn't felt that I needed anything else. The game seemed to work perfectly fine without this mod (no dissapearing cities or anything).
That's all. Again, sorry for the inconveniences and thank you very much for your hard work.
Hi, no worries. Well it really depends on your complete mod setup, if you dont use beautiful cities/villages or other mods, which add stuff from DET to the world, you might have not noticed that some sprites in your game were low resolution. Without this DREAM patch, everything added by any mod which was updated to DET 1.0.0 will be low resolution.
Why you also need a legacy is explained in the post by Cabra. Why is it so, I dont really know, as Im not the author of said mods.
Using the setup of DET files I recommend here, will prevent you from having any issues down the line, its just a safe bet. Theres no downside to that, but there can be a downside to doing otherwise.
However, I still don't understand why I need the "legacy" version of DET
To make a very, very long and technical explanation short: It was recentlydiscovered that Daggerfall Unity does not handle modded textures with an ID lower than 1024 well, causing issues due to misread data. Mods have been moving their textures to IDs higher than 1024 to work around this issue, including DET. Since DET is a resource mod and its textures are referenced by other mods, this required a split.
DET Legacy maintains the sub-1024 ID textures for backwards compatibility with old mods (which unfortunately means you may still see the issues connected to sub-1024 texture IDs). DET 1.0.0+ uses IDs in the 10000s range instead to avoid any issues.
Mods like Locations Overhauled - Llugwych and Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall have been conveniently updated to work with DET 1.0.0.
dotWayton updated Locations Overhauled - Privateers Hold and made it completely DET-agnostic, however, his five other mods (Forts Overhauled - Llugwych, Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall, Locations Overhauled - Thieves Guild, Cities Overhauled - Armourers and Village of Fishguard) are yet to be updated to the most recent version of DET, as he himself states in all of the corresponding mod descriptions.
I also have "Mod Issue checker" installed and it didnt detect any major issues.
Co-author of the Mod Issue Checker here. It didn't detect any major issues because it isn't really programmed to detect these kind of errors at themoment. Next mod update has already been programmed (just working on updating the mod issue spreadsheet the mod reads from). But might be able to get Excoriated to add a check for this.
I didn't felt that I needed anything else.
The disappearing cities are the most blatant and gamebreaking issue. The others are less noticeable. Random flats out of bounds in dungeons. Decor missing in modded interiors. I highly recommend DET + DET Legacy and re-updating RMB Resource Pack.
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I already had to write over 20 mails about this, and its honestly not worth my well being anymore.
I feel its rather silly and lame to lead users this far only to purposely break stuff later because of disagreements over pixels in the end trying to make the fanbase and users have to choose over a visual aesthetic.
Thank you King of Worms for being mature enough and willing to continue keeping these great mod combinations intact, which keeps users happy and the overall modding community intact. Innocent fans and users should not have to suffer over one's hissy fits.
Thanks for staying mature and compassionate to the users over this particular mod.
DREAM is moving forward and an essential part of DFUs evolution.
I did all the work on recreating this to HD with help from Zoran.
It took us 2 years... Ninelan did the pixel art for base DET.
If you want to make HD version of whole DET, get permission like I did for the assets included in this mod, and have fun :)
I tried to update the Dream Expanded textures on a saved game and half of Wayrest was destroyed. It worked fine with the previous version, so I went back to it. Before anyone tell me about the DET 1.0 drama: I have everything else to date, no "legacy" versions of anything.
Ive played with the patch Ive provided here for months. So I know it works.
"I have everything else to date, no "legacy" versions of anything" - that can mean a lot of things. It can also mean thats the reason you faced the issues. If any mod you use - which depends on DET - is not updated to DET 1.0.0 and you dont have Legacy version, and update DET to 1.0.0 that your game gets all messed up with the update.
Maybe save us all some trouble, get all 4 DET mods Ive linked, sort them the way Ive described, and you will be golden.
Than you will not have to think about this ever again.
I agree its confusing as hell, but thats the route the DET team took, accompanied with lack of proper documentation and explanation, it was a recipe for disaster for many ppl.
PS: Did you try to inform the DET author at the DET page? Because that page looks barren like a desert. With so many downloads, theres only 40 comments there. Its a bit strange.
Some mods, even on their latest version, will require the Legacy version of DET:
This is kind of messy so I will try to explain myself as best as possible.
I only have the last version of DET. Of course, I experienced the horrible tragedies of the dissapearing cities of Daggerfall but, luckily enough, that times is long gone. Now I'm fine. I have installed more than 100 mods. I posted a question in the DET forum some weeks ago because I saw a lot of graphical problems. However, I discovered the problem was NOT the new DET package but the new RMB package so I have installed the previous version of the RMB.
I have (among others) this stuff:
- Locations Overhauled - Thieves Guild
- Forts Overhauled - Llugwych
- Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall
- Village of Fishguard
- Soldier's Luxury (unless using the version integrated into Beautiful Cities/Villages)
- Main Quest Definitive Edition
- Whispers from the East
- the new DET-DREAM Patch
I DO NOT have any of this stuff:When having to choose, I always choose content before graphical overhauls. For example, I love "Lively Cities" but it's incompatible with far too many mods I consider essential.
I know the problem with Wayrest was the new DREAM DET because the moment I went back to the previous version everything worked fine.
Well, I think I will stop writing here. We all have enough with two volumes of the adventures of Don Quixote.
Thanks in advance. You're making Daggerfall the best game of all time :)
Did you have these mods (FOUR MODS)
· Daggerfall expanded textures - Legacy
· Daggerfall expanded textures - (1.0.0+)
· Daggerfall expanded textures - Dream
· Daggerfall expanded textures 1.0.0 - Dream (this is the file this mod provides)
in this load order, and than u had issues?
Or u just refuse to do it correctly?
Because it definitely seems so, according to what you have written. You dont have legacy DET, and you most likely replaced DET - DREAM with DET - DREAM 1.0.0 and that will never work.
Because u say "the moment I went back to the previous version everything worked fine" - and that suggest you might think THIS MOD you downloaded here, is a replacement of the old dream patch. Its is not. You need both.
Listen, either get the 4 mods I describe, put em in the correct order, and than make a report that its working (because it will) - or just stay on what you are and stop posting confusing stuff :D
You say you have
Locations Overhauled - Thieves Guild
Forts Overhauled - Llugwych
Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall
and god knows how many mods which are on the list Cabra posted for you.
It means, you need the 4 mod setup Im instructing everybody to use. So either do it, or stop posting about issues you are having :D
Sorry if I look a little bit dumb, but I'm new to modding. I definitely didn't understand some pretty essential stuff. Basically, I thought "Daggerfall Expanded Textures 1.0.0 - Dream" was the new version of "Daggerfall Expanded Textures - Dream". I didn't knew I needed both.I played with the recommended settings for a couple of hours and had no issues. Everything works as intended.
However, I still don't understand why I need the "legacy" version of DET. Mods like Locations Overhauled - Llugwych and Forts Overhauled - Woodborne Hall have been conveniently updated to work with DET 1.0.0. I also have "Mod Issue checker" installed and it didnt detect any major issues. I didn't experience any problems during my "Whispers of the East" campaign and I've been playing for about 40 hours with a new character. Finally, I want to address that, when using Daggerfall Expanded Textures - Dream, I didn't felt that I needed anything else. The game seemed to work perfectly fine without this mod (no dissapearing cities or anything).
That's all. Again, sorry for the inconveniences and thank you very much for your hard work.
Why you also need a legacy is explained in the post by Cabra. Why is it so, I dont really know, as Im not the author of said mods.
Using the setup of DET files I recommend here, will prevent you from having any issues down the line, its just a safe bet.
Theres no downside to that, but there can be a downside to doing otherwise.
DET Legacy maintains the sub-1024 ID textures for backwards compatibility with old mods (which unfortunately means you may still see the issues connected to sub-1024 texture IDs). DET 1.0.0+ uses IDs in the 10000s range instead to avoid any issues.