Firstly i just want to say thanks for this mod, i recently got to the points where astarian begs to drink my blood, (wanting to help a brother out, i decided to allow him,,,, personally would have prefered an option to drink from my arm or something but whatever...) since then no matter what everytime he talks to me it feels like i need to call the horny police on him.....
same when i got to gales event with showing me what magic feels likes.... i picked the option because i was curious,,, not because i wanted to bone him.... but that whole scene felt like it was forcing a romance route SOOOO damn hard.... its like dude... put the breaks on.. jesus...
dont get me wrong i dont care, im fine with all sexual perferences, i''d just much prefer this game to run a streight male whos a tender hearted rogue who wants to be "little spooned" by karlach lol
next run i was planning on being a gay half-elf male thats a kindred magic lover with gale whos into him aswell, then the dominate female half-orc or dragonborn paladin courting lae'zel,
-------------- i was just wondering if i could request some assistance with understanding the mod, aswell as checking if it works for the currently version of BG3? it doesn't seem 100% clear which mod disables which interactions (at least to me,,, but im an idiot :< ) ofcourse i understand disable reactions all - kills both gender romance options,,,, so i dont want that one lol
im just a bit stuck on the male or female's pak options to use and the meaning for each. if im playing the straight male for example,,, will using "disable reactions male" turn off romance options for gale, will and astarian or does it prevent my male MC from romancing shadowheart, lae'zel or karlach?
<edit> also, quick question, will this lock out being able to complete the companion quests for character i dont want to romance but also not upset? i dont want to romance them,,,,, but i also dont want to be a jerk to them :<
Yes unfortunately the option for team bonding, building platonic friendships and the power of friendships through struggle does not exist in Larians world. Anything related to building relationships only leads to unwanted sexual advances and glorifies sexual harrassment and teaches people that the only option for making relationships is sexual. If a boy tried behaving this way towards any girl in society he would be arrested and it would ruin his future and career.
Very nice addition to the mod list. Thanks for making this! Adds a much needed granular control over the type of play through based on backstory I may be going for at the time! Gale has suckered me in on one too many occasions by accident or not lol.
Great mod. It was so cringy when I recruited Halsin and talked with him at the party and 3 out of 4 options were flirting. I tried to be friends with Gale and he just looks at me like a perv while I try to learn magic. Dude, take it down a notch.
It would be great to have an optional file with a fixed sexual orientation for companions. According to their dialogue, Wyll (flirts with female companions), Gale (Mystra, Shadowheart flirts), and Halsin should be hetero. Astarion is obviously bi. Shadowheart is straight (flirts with Wyll, males), Karlach bi, Lae'zel straight. Maybe if the player is male and a male companion is straight, the flirt / romance dialogue shouldn't appear, that implementation is probably the easiest.
BG3 is a great game but the companions feel less real than Dragon Age Origins or Inquisition companions simply because having a fixed sexual orientation makes them more real. I remember the first time I tried to flirt with Sera and she told me she was into girls and from then on, we became pals. Somehow, characters having a real sense of sexuality adds a dimension to them that you will never get if they are playersexual. BG3 companions just feel like toys for the player to interact with sometimes, instead of real people and that's a shame since otherwise, the writing is good.
Yeah, there's no world in which her thirsty delivery of the line speculating about Karlach throwing her over her shoulder can be interpreted as straight.
If you've been forced to be flirted with by ready-made barbie dolls in games for years as a gay male gamer without having an option to express your dislike or flirt with male NPCs, you might understand why I don't think the whining here is appropriate.
Of course, not everyone is completely ambivalent “in real life.” But you also have the opportunity to date 5,000-10,000 like-minded people out of 100,000 residents, which is simply not possible in computer games. So options that satisfy everyone are better than catering to the aversions of few heteronormative cis guys.
Straight men have every reason to be put off by men flirting with them just as much as gay men have every reason to be put off by women doing the same to them. It's just annoying all the way around if you don't swing both ways.
That's the thing with this game, the characters are way too forward and thus you get the feeling that the characters don't have any orientation besides Playersexual.
For me personally I just want this mod so Halsin will leave me the hell alone, stop being a total creep, and stop trying to butt into my romance.
Don't get me wrong: I have nothing against the mod, I was concerned with the level of complaining about flirting across the board. Where is the outcry in the thousands of games in which gay people were forced into relationships, some with explicit scenes. Now it has hit straight people and I wanted to point the finger at the problem because now perhaps more understanding can be expected from them too.
have installed everything put as said, but firstly it downloads not in pak file but 7s or something i got it also in mod manager. but in game side companion quests appear and i get from time to time approval companion massage.....im really frustrated because downloaded file isnt working although its already in mods and mods manager please help
Wanted to ask if anyone knows if this gives the added benifit of preventing party members from leaving the group when you go down evil routes? Like if i raid the grove will Karlach still leave the party?
the romance aspect doesnt matter to me so much as i want to keep my favorite firery friend around even after i turn to the dark side...
Does this only limit romance? i'm concerned it would hinder deepening a friendship, i don't want to limit any friendly interactions. I wish there was a mod that could remove from view any statement that would lock in a romance, officially initiate a romance or flirt with intent. That would be so much easier, or some kind of indicator when you're selecting chat options that this line leads closer to romance actually, and this one IS romantic. I'm way too autistic (am actually) to figure this out on my own.
To be honest this is more of an experiment than anything. I see a lot of people complaining about it. I'm curious to see how many ACTUALLY are bothered by it enough to mod it out.
I made it, but it's not something I'd use myself. :)
I wouldn't say it's easy to turn down more of an annoyance or bad design. There are plenty of issues with the game that it does poorly. The companion system is awful. I have to wonder if a lot of these terrible designs and decisions since we know better are due to multi-platform support and the stagnation of game engines and unique perspectives. Nobody can say the companion system is innovative here as it's several steps back compared to older games even decades ago.
It's not just a matter of turning them down. Some innocent sounding dialogue options seem to trigger "romance" advancement. I intentionally avoided every romance interaction, specifically turning them down whenever the option appeared. And still, I went to talk with Withers and he made a comment about me now being in a relationship. Say what?? I didn't even know which character I had triggered.
I befriended Astarion. There is no way for me to be friend with him without flirting with him. ITs a total lack of respect for us straight people. Not everyone is gay. And its ok. I still go along with it, because I dont want to miss out on content. I want to see Asstarion story and I wanna help him kill his old bastard handler. Doesnt mean I would flirt with him. (for example the mirror scene. My choice is flirt or be an ass. wow...what a choice) And once I am done with the story, I will patch it. Also, its bad writing. Everyone is SO THIRSTY. Its frankly discusting. To each their own. Before there was oppression and exclusion of gays. Now the table have turned. People disrespect us silent straight people, and sometimes they are not even aware. Sometimes they are. This mod is a nice way to experience this world witouth contamination of what I dislike in real life. I just want a fantasy. People usually want fantasies that resonate with them. I get that. Its way too much gay and in your face. For me. Dude, the part with Gale? I would never get this close or let anyone get in that space. I was upset and a little bit mad I was experiencing a gay scene without my consent. My character would have never done that. Neither would I. But the fact that I would not do it, doesnt mean my character would not do it. I've roleplayed as gay character before(dragon age 2 i think, or 3, the blond elf). Just because I could. I didn't like it. lol It felt so wrong. To each their own. By trying to be soooo inclusive, we are forgetting to respect others. This mod right this wrong. Hope I could explain it to you in a decent manner. There is hate. Then there is a will to be respected. The line is thin. I feel disrespected. I am glad this mod author is giving us an option.
It's actually not easy to turn them down. In my game the women are easy to turn down because, so far, they haven't had instances that just randomly pop up for no reason like Wyll or Gale. I can just ignore them and basically run into their quests or even say 'no' and that's the end. But with Wyll and Gale even if I'm rude (which I had been as I picked every line that was like 'yeah I don't care about you so stop talking') or ignore them as much as possible their romances still pop up. Like, no matter what, Wyll invites my guy to dance and Gale has like three times where he pursues your character. And I rejected two because I had a feeling 'that might be romantic so I'm going to say no' but then the third time seems like it might have to do with his quest cause he says 'I need to see you and it's super important' but turns out, no, it's just him trying to pursue romance. So I reloaded to a point that I didn't talk to him and decided to just ignore that conversation only for the game to act like I spent the night with him... Even though I didn't even talk to him. So, apparently, you can't even ignore them you have to constantly say 'no thanks I don't want to hang out with you' which is annoying.
I even ignored talking to everyone the night the teiflings decided to celebrate and I still got pursued by these guys.
Yeah, the companions are annoying with this shit. It's weird to experience and the game kinda tricks you into romance dialogue. Never mind the respect/comfort angle. The player's time is being wasted. I hate that.
weird, i never felt this way myself as i played but maybe that's because i'm bi and took it in my stride. i'm sorry it's made some people feel uncomfortable, that's not cool.
This exactly. I'm glad my wife and I haven't gotten far in our playthrough. She loves the fantasy and the game so far. She plays table top D&D with me and a group. But I already am dreading the characters all immediately just being so horny and wanting sex from you. She is not into that kind of stuff in movies or games and will want nothing to do with the game. And the fact that it is every single character is insane.
On my own playthrough, I'm Still in act 1 and basically everyone in camp was trying to bed me. I thought I was having a great bro moment with Gale when suddenly my character was being forced into some gay moment with whoopie goldberg from Ghost, only thing missing was some unchained melody. It was gross and my only options out were to be mean to my bro or to flirt/sex him up. WTH Larian...
You know if the I as the character could pursue these things or engage them as my choice that would be fine.... but I feel like the characters... especially the male ones are constantly being gay to my male character. I avoid talking to them half the time now and I re-read the dialog and if I even think that it will be flirty I just nope out of the conversation. There is little player agency here in this regard... and its even scummier when they trick you into it under the guise of an innocent moment with a friend.
Can no one be my friend with out a sexual relationship involved. This is hands down my biggest gripe with the game. It is deviant at best.
I'm surprised they didn't simply add a flag in the beginning of the game the player could select in character creation; Romantic Preferences: [Male, Female, Both]. People would be pursued by who they want and not feel uncomfortable. I'm super passionate about the mental well-being of my friends irl and I was doing so in game as well. I wanted to say nice things. But anything that was nice or supportive made the companions instantly think I wanted to get in their pants. Even after I already had a relationship with Shadowheart going, the other characters who I had already rejected made moves at me because I said something nice to them during their dialogue like "I'll always support you" or whatever. They're my friends and we've gone through a lot together. Can't I be close and supportive of them without making it seem like I'm thirsty for them? Especially Gale. Bro can't take a hint. Wyll was pretty quick to stop his advances after the dance thing was rejected. But s#*! I almost said yes to that because I don't really see that action as flirting/romantic but I assumed (and apparently rightly so) that dancing with him would give him the wrong idea. Feels a lot like when people instantly assume a man and woman are dating irl just because they are hanging out. But here it's worse because it's literally just anyone you decide to be friendly with. I wish the game had more of those interactive scenes with your companions that weren't about advancing your relationship romantically but purely as friends. From what I've experienced playing table-top D&D over the past 6 years, 95% of your interactions with other party members is learning to get along and having fun, memorable moments with them growing your friendship despite your vast differences.
I should also note that everytime I had to reject their advances I felt awful because the dialogue options to deny them came off as rude more often than not and the reaction of the characters was heartbreaking. I didn't want them to be upset with me for any reason! Why did they feel brazen enough to try and romance me when I never made any hint I wanted to be with them!
the game does the exact same thing to gay people playing, don't try and make this a gay/straight thing. they should have a damn option to clarify if you're not attracted to someone - even in addition to all the dudes who hit on me just because i didn't kill them, laezel cannot shut up about how she's a superior race and my people suck and then demands i sleep with her at the tiefling party and insults me if i don't. even if there was an option to say you only like women i imagine she'd still do that. i can understand anti-heroes, but the level of aggressive sexual interactions that happen completely unprompted kind of makes the game feel like a sexual harassment simulator whenever i talk to someone i'm not interested in. astarian actually is the only guy that i managed to befriend without it being romantic - he annoyed me at first because i thought the game was trying to progress a romance option but that's just kind of how he talks and it doesn't really affect your relationship if you're flirty or mean so long as it's playful and not 'i hate you' or 'you're the love of my life' yknow. gale however is downright detestable imo but i have to keep him around if i want to meet mystra :(
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i recently got to the points where astarian begs to drink my blood,
(wanting to help a brother out, i decided to allow him,,,, personally would have prefered an option to drink from my arm or something but whatever...)
since then no matter what everytime he talks to me it feels like i need to call the horny police on him.....
same when i got to gales event with showing me what magic feels likes....
i picked the option because i was curious,,, not because i wanted to bone him....
but that whole scene felt like it was forcing a romance route SOOOO damn hard.... its like dude... put the breaks on.. jesus...
dont get me wrong i dont care, im fine with all sexual perferences,
i''d just much prefer this game to run a streight male whos a tender hearted rogue who wants to be "little spooned" by karlach lol
next run i was planning on being a gay half-elf male thats a kindred magic lover with gale whos into him aswell,
then the dominate female half-orc or dragonborn paladin courting lae'zel,
--------------
i was just wondering if i could request some assistance with understanding the mod, aswell as checking if it works for the currently version of BG3?
it doesn't seem 100% clear which mod disables which interactions (at least to me,,, but im an idiot :< )
ofcourse i understand disable reactions all - kills both gender romance options,,,, so i dont want that one lol
im just a bit stuck on the male or female's pak options to use and the meaning for each.
if im playing the straight male for example,,, will using "disable reactions male"
turn off romance options for gale, will and astarian
or
does it prevent my male MC from romancing shadowheart, lae'zel or karlach?
<edit>
also, quick question, will this lock out being able to complete the companion quests for character i dont want to romance but also not upset?
i dont want to romance them,,,,, but i also dont want to be a jerk to them :<
It would be great to have an optional file with a fixed sexual orientation for companions. According to their dialogue, Wyll (flirts with female companions), Gale (Mystra, Shadowheart flirts), and Halsin should be hetero. Astarion is obviously bi. Shadowheart is straight (flirts with Wyll, males), Karlach bi, Lae'zel straight. Maybe if the player is male and a male companion is straight, the flirt / romance dialogue shouldn't appear, that implementation is probably the easiest.
BG3 is a great game but the companions feel less real than Dragon Age Origins or Inquisition companions simply because having a fixed sexual orientation makes them more real. I remember the first time I tried to flirt with Sera and she told me she was into girls and from then on, we became pals. Somehow, characters having a real sense of sexuality adds a dimension to them that you will never get if they are playersexual. BG3 companions just feel like toys for the player to interact with sometimes, instead of real people and that's a shame since otherwise, the writing is good.
Of course, not everyone is completely ambivalent “in real life.” But you also have the opportunity to date 5,000-10,000 like-minded people out of 100,000 residents, which is simply not possible in computer games. So options that satisfy everyone are better than catering to the aversions of few heteronormative cis guys.
Straight men have every reason to be put off by men flirting with them just as much as gay men have every reason to be put off by women doing the same to them. It's just annoying all the way around if you don't swing both ways.
That's the thing with this game, the characters are way too forward and thus you get the feeling that the characters don't have any orientation besides Playersexual.
For me personally I just want this mod so Halsin will leave me the hell alone, stop being a total creep, and stop trying to butt into my romance.
Like if i raid the grove will Karlach still leave the party?
the romance aspect doesnt matter to me so much as i want to keep my favorite firery friend around even after i turn to the dark side...
I made it, but it's not something I'd use myself. :)
It's not just a matter of turning them down. Some innocent sounding dialogue options seem to trigger "romance" advancement. I intentionally avoided every romance interaction, specifically turning them down whenever the option appeared. And still, I went to talk with Withers and he made a comment about me now being in a relationship. Say what?? I didn't even know which character I had triggered.
I befriended Astarion. There is no way for me to be friend with him without flirting with him. ITs a total lack of respect for us straight people. Not everyone is gay. And its ok. I still go along with it, because I dont want to miss out on content. I want to see Asstarion story and I wanna help him kill his old bastard handler. Doesnt mean I would flirt with him. (for example the mirror scene. My choice is flirt or be an ass. wow...what a choice) And once I am done with the story, I will patch it. Also, its bad writing. Everyone is SO THIRSTY. Its frankly discusting. To each their own. Before there was oppression and exclusion of gays. Now the table have turned. People disrespect us silent straight people, and sometimes they are not even aware. Sometimes they are.
This mod is a nice way to experience this world witouth contamination of what I dislike in real life.
I just want a fantasy. People usually want fantasies that resonate with them. I get that. Its way too much gay and in your face. For me.
Dude, the part with Gale? I would never get this close or let anyone get in that space.
I was upset and a little bit mad I was experiencing a gay scene without my consent.
My character would have never done that. Neither would I. But the fact that I would not do it, doesnt mean my character would not do it.
I've roleplayed as gay character before(dragon age 2 i think, or 3, the blond elf). Just because I could. I didn't like it. lol It felt so wrong.
To each their own.
By trying to be soooo inclusive, we are forgetting to respect others. This mod right this wrong.
Hope I could explain it to you in a decent manner.
There is hate.
Then there is a will to be respected.
The line is thin.
I feel disrespected.
I am glad this mod author is giving us an option.
I even ignored talking to everyone the night the teiflings decided to celebrate and I still got pursued by these guys.
Yeah, the companions are annoying with this shit. It's weird to experience and the game kinda tricks you into romance dialogue. Never mind the respect/comfort angle. The player's time is being wasted. I hate that.
On my own playthrough, I'm Still in act 1 and basically everyone in camp was trying to bed me. I thought I was having a great bro moment with Gale when suddenly my character was being forced into some gay moment with whoopie goldberg from Ghost, only thing missing was some unchained melody. It was gross and my only options out were to be mean to my bro or to flirt/sex him up. WTH Larian...
You know if the I as the character could pursue these things or engage them as my choice that would be fine.... but I feel like the characters... especially the male ones are constantly being gay to my male character. I avoid talking to them half the time now and I re-read the dialog and if I even think that it will be flirty I just nope out of the conversation. There is little player agency here in this regard... and its even scummier when they trick you into it under the guise of an innocent moment with a friend.
Can no one be my friend with out a sexual relationship involved. This is hands down my biggest gripe with the game. It is deviant at best.
People would be pursued by who they want and not feel uncomfortable.
I'm super passionate about the mental well-being of my friends irl and I was doing so in game as well. I wanted to say nice things. But anything that was nice or supportive made the companions instantly think I wanted to get in their pants. Even after I already had a relationship with Shadowheart going, the other characters who I had already rejected made moves at me because I said something nice to them during their dialogue like "I'll always support you" or whatever. They're my friends and we've gone through a lot together. Can't I be close and supportive of them without making it seem like I'm thirsty for them? Especially Gale. Bro can't take a hint. Wyll was pretty quick to stop his advances after the dance thing was rejected. But s#*! I almost said yes to that because I don't really see that action as flirting/romantic but I assumed (and apparently rightly so) that dancing with him would give him the wrong idea.
Feels a lot like when people instantly assume a man and woman are dating irl just because they are hanging out. But here it's worse because it's literally just anyone you decide to be friendly with.
I wish the game had more of those interactive scenes with your companions that weren't about advancing your relationship romantically but purely as friends. From what I've experienced playing table-top D&D over the past 6 years, 95% of your interactions with other party members is learning to get along and having fun, memorable moments with them growing your friendship despite your vast differences.
I should also note that everytime I had to reject their advances I felt awful because the dialogue options to deny them came off as rude more often than not and the reaction of the characters was heartbreaking. I didn't want them to be upset with me for any reason! Why did they feel brazen enough to try and romance me when I never made any hint I wanted to be with them!