Honestly I don't understand load orders so I just put them in the order that I download them in. So far there have been no issues. One of these days I think I will have issues. I am one of those technology stupid people and will admit it. I might download this to see if helps me some. I mostly download races and cosmetic stuff along with jewelry and subclasses.
I don't necessarily have any problems with my own load order but its actually nice that this mod grouped & sorted it out nicely (feels a LOT better for my eyes). The sorting will definitely help out along the line when adding new mods.
really wishing for a built-in grouping feature for BG3MM so we dont have to resort to "fake" paks..
Critique: Um... As much as I appreciate you providing your load over, with it's +1000 mods, it doesn't include any of the 70+ mods I consider important to my core gameplay and characters, in the list of near 900+ mods in my load order. Now, those mods are shunted to the "Inactive" side of BG3MM, have no idea where they should go, according to how you the load order is now set up. Some of those mods are recent additions to the Nexus. Now, I'm going to have spend the next several days carefully figuring out where they now go for best result and least bugs.
Recommendation: I would recommend placing a disclaimer in the 'Description' section that the 'Baseline Load Order' file is the mod author's personal load order file, does not support all mods, including more recent ones being uploaded to the Nexus, and those not listed on the Nexus, and will destroy preexisting load order if installed.
I did the same thing, but I'd saved my own load order to a file, so was able to instantly switch back to it. It's good practice with BG3MM to not only save your load order as you go using the save button, but also to to occasionally hit "file (top left) -> save order as" and save your own order to a named file as you go, that way you can avoid accidents like the one you had.
That functionality is somewhat similar to being able to have "profiles" in MO2, it means you can switch (as I do) between e.g. a "Vanilla with QOL only" load order and a fully stacked fully modded load order at will (taking into account overrides ofc - i.e. bronze-coloured mods will always be in effect even if they're in the right-hand pane, so you have to temporarily remove them manually from the mods folder in the "AppData/Local/Larian ... mods" folder and restart BG3MM if you don't want them active in a load order - little bit fiddly but not that difficult to keep track of).
The .json provided in this mod is a rough guide as to the order of the dummy separator .paks, so to adapt it, all you need to do is open up the .json and note the order of the dummy .pak separators as the author has them, arrange the separators in the left pane of your BG3MM in that order, and then slot in your own mods from your own load order under those separators, according to which of the separator categories they fit.
@gurugeorge you could also just import my load order with just the dummy packs installed no other mods and get that same setup. Thanks for the breakdown. Now that you mentioned it, i will upload a load order with just the categories and an image showing their order. I tweaked them so much i could probably just type it out off the top of my head, haha.
I think the problem is that if one just installs your .json into BG3MM while having one's own order in the left hand pane, if one has some mods the same as yours, and some mods that are different from yours, installing the .json flings the mods one already has willy-nilly into left (activated) and right (deactivated) panes.
IOW, while the mods one has that you also have are slotted into the correct places in the left hand pane, which is good, the mods one has that aren't in your list are deactivated and shoved to the right-hand pane, which (as the OP found) can be potentially confusing if one hasn't modded for a while, and/or if one isn't keeping an eye on one's mods and regularly updating like a hawk, so that one knows one's own list fairly well (and especially if one hasn't saved one's own order to a file, and so can revert! ;) ).
In one sense that isn't a problem because then one could just transfer the deactivated mods from the right-hand pane back to the left-hand activated pane under their respective categories, but in a way it's preferable to retain one's own order on the left and just add the separators from right to left "manually," so that one is sort of comparing and contrasting as one goes (i.e. thinking about how one's own load order that one spontaneously made is different from yours, which is just interesting in itself), that's why I ended up using the "manual" method of just looking at the order in the .json and adding the separators one by one.
For your load order, I'm guessing you based it on the kind of load order one would have in DOS2, right? It's reminiscent of something like this. I gather that load order in BG3 isn't quite so touchy as it was with DOS2 - even though it's basically their same in-house engine, upgraded for BG3 - but it's still nice to have a logical order anyway, so thanks for doing it and making it available. Especially, it means one has logical places for everything to slot into going forward (especially as one drifts away from "vanilla+" to a more heavily-modded setup).
To Help Clarify This Whole Matter: I am a beta tester, debugger, glitch finder, and general 'tester' of games and mods whom types more cohesively than they speak. I often report back on the things I find something I consider 'off,' and offer a solution, as is often asked of me. My reports/critiques (not criticism, that's something entirely different) are written in a way to be clinical, direct, rational, logical, as informative as I can make them, emotionless, and with as few personal bias as possible.
As with other mods, I found something I believed was a problem: A lack of forewarning that the Load Order did not, and cannot support all mods for BG3. I described the problem that occurred when I installed the mod, and gave what I considered a logical solution that would help avoid future drama from those that downloaded the Load Order, whom thought it would solve having to continue grooming theirs., only come to the Post Section and complain about it.
Why people continue to overreacting (yes, I am referring to you @mschi3ffmanagdx) to these reports is beyond me.
You assuming it covered every mod on nexus for BG3 is the only overreaction. You did not read correctly, and with the experience you have, this should not have even been an issue for you.
I don't really think anyone dragging you is overreacting. This is the most presumptuous self-important comment I've read in a long time. You don't actually get to force someone to interpret unasked for criticism in the way you would like for them to interpret it, and if you -are- a beta tester, I find it odd that you would use such an abrasive tone when reporting your findings. Impartiality is important in any kind of testing, and you fell a little flat on that front.
Hey there! This seems like a great mod but I'm having some trouble, although I'm sure that it's just on me being new to modding.
For the BG3MM, is it possible for us to use this in our inactive section (assuming we don't use all of our mods at once)?
Each time I start manually organizing them, save, and refresh, it reverts back to alphabetical order, is there a way to make a custom order using these instead?
Thank you for responding so quickly; I really appreciate it!
I'm so sorry that I'm still struggling with this; I'm sure this is just a me thing since so many other people have been able to figure it out. I don't necessarily need the tabs on the left/active side of the mod manager due to only playing with 30 mods at a time. However, I could benefit from them on the right/inactive side, where I have 100.
While I have no problem organizing the left side without it reverting to alphabetical, the right side is the one that's struggling. Do you know if it's possible for me to do this on the right?
Thank you so much for making this. I have been using Mods for months and could never find an actual list of mods orders that I understood. I finally found this and its a life saver! Seriously, its helped me out so much!
I have a feeling I am really failing to understand something the thousands of other downloaders could figure out. I downloaded and installed to VORTEX both of the files you currently have up for download, per the instructions you posted in the description.
INSTALLATION For the Separators: Just drop the zip into you preferred mod manager. For Load Order examples: Extract zip, Import from file.
The Separators show up in my Load Order tab at the very bottom, all stacked up. I wasn't sure what the "Load Order examples" was supposed to do, but I unzipped it and imported. I don't see the result?
Were the Separators supposed to auto-order themselves, or do I have to put them in the best order? What resources tells me the appropriate order?
So far I have not manually changed any of the orders, and the separators are all concentrated at the end. I hope I didn't just screw things up!
I appreciate that you did that. I also realized that I imported the suggested load order incorrectly. In case it might help someone else, here's a more detailed instruction for Vortex users:
Click Load Order tab on the left column. Click Import from... > Import from File... then select "A&D VORTEX.lsx" from the manually downloaded zip file you already downloaded. Be prepared to move your mods around as the vast majority of them are not going to be auto-categorized.
They will be at the bottom in unsorted option. Back up load order before doing so or after deploying in vortex, open bgmm and handle the load order like that since its more convenient in bgmm. export to game and then go back in vortex and import from game :)
No, This isn't a dream but I did wake up in a Bugatti of appreciation. Your load order was a godsend and I don't understand why Kantorock would even post that nonsense. I have so many mods I use and it's actually become a problem for me because it's such a huge endeavor to start organizing and correctly inserting them into a workable load order that I simply neglect playing now and haven't in quite some time. Nearly finished loading my own mods a power outtage caused over an hour and a near finished order to be lost. Remembering I saw your load order with a useful description of it's number of mods it could potentially order correctly from my own list so I gave it a shot and Brought me right back to nearly being finsihed again since there were only a select number of my own preferred mods left for me to put back into the working load order and even that is SO much easier because you've already integrated the descriptive category separators. Bless you my friend! Kantorock should be ashamed for their comment. NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING YOU USE from a modders community!!!
Hey i am glad this was useful for you. I am possibly thinking about working on some sort of BOSS or LOOT tool such as we have for skyrim and fallout. Thanks again for the kind words! If there is a category you think should be added or that i missed, feel free to suggest some!
Note that this isn't "perfect" and is always gets tweaked as i play more and more or mods updates with new features, are subject to change. The more mods use CF/CL/SLC/SE the easier it is for ordering.
Very interesting, for now I am freezing my load order until my next playthrough, but certainly tracking this mod!
And oh god, I saw you mentioned LOOT elsewhere, that would be amazing! (Though with Larian's limitations some mods are better off installed as loose files in vortex, and then vortex allows prioritizing conflicts at the file level and that would make LOOT here somewhat complicated)
But then, if you mentioned Bethesda utils, would you consider making a UUID conflict resolution app akin to FNVEdit etc? Yeah yeah, maybe I am fantasizing :)
i have a lot of experience in xEdit. Also a lot of bg3 community gives Vortex a hard time, but to be honest it a very powerful application, you can set install scripts or use binary patching methods. Loose files automatically get detected as BG3 Loose, but i do agree that certain mods need to be set as BG3 Replacers so they get deployed to basegame /data (pavelk mods etc). If we tell Nexus Moderators/Vortex Devs which mods these are they will add them to the list that Vortex auto sets mods to. Thats already working for any Engine Injectors. But yea i think these ideas are all possible it's just about the execution. For now i am just sharing what i have.
Nice to see that spirit, and indeed Vortex right now is stable and feature laden, be it through plugins or by itself, not perfect, but definitely underrated by the community.
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I don't necessarily have any problems with my own load order but its actually nice that this mod grouped & sorted it out nicely (feels a LOT better for my eyes). The sorting will definitely help out along the line when adding new mods.
really wishing for a built-in grouping feature for BG3MM so we dont have to resort to "fake" paks..
Recommendation: I would recommend placing a disclaimer in the 'Description' section that the 'Baseline Load Order' file is the mod author's personal load order file, does not support all mods, including more recent ones being uploaded to the Nexus, and those not listed on the Nexus, and will destroy preexisting load order if installed.
I would recommend you go touch some grass babe.
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That functionality is somewhat similar to being able to have "profiles" in MO2, it means you can switch (as I do) between e.g. a "Vanilla with QOL only" load order and a fully stacked fully modded load order at will (taking into account overrides ofc - i.e. bronze-coloured mods will always be in effect even if they're in the right-hand pane, so you have to temporarily remove them manually from the mods folder in the "AppData/Local/Larian ... mods" folder and restart BG3MM if you don't want them active in a load order - little bit fiddly but not that difficult to keep track of).
The .json provided in this mod is a rough guide as to the order of the dummy separator .paks, so to adapt it, all you need to do is open up the .json and note the order of the dummy .pak separators as the author has them, arrange the separators in the left pane of your BG3MM in that order, and then slot in your own mods from your own load order under those separators, according to which of the separator categories they fit.
IOW, while the mods one has that you also have are slotted into the correct places in the left hand pane, which is good, the mods one has that aren't in your list are deactivated and shoved to the right-hand pane, which (as the OP found) can be potentially confusing if one hasn't modded for a while, and/or if one isn't keeping an eye on one's mods and regularly updating like a hawk, so that one knows one's own list fairly well (and especially if one hasn't saved one's own order to a file, and so can revert! ;) ).
In one sense that isn't a problem because then one could just transfer the deactivated mods from the right-hand pane back to the left-hand activated pane under their respective categories, but in a way it's preferable to retain one's own order on the left and just add the separators from right to left "manually," so that one is sort of comparing and contrasting as one goes (i.e. thinking about how one's own load order that one spontaneously made is different from yours, which is just interesting in itself), that's why I ended up using the "manual" method of just looking at the order in the .json and adding the separators one by one.
For your load order, I'm guessing you based it on the kind of load order one would have in DOS2, right? It's reminiscent of something like this. I gather that load order in BG3 isn't quite so touchy as it was with DOS2 - even though it's basically their same in-house engine, upgraded for BG3 - but it's still nice to have a logical order anyway, so thanks for doing it and making it available. Especially, it means one has logical places for everything to slot into going forward (especially as one drifts away from "vanilla+" to a more heavily-modded setup).
As with other mods, I found something I believed was a problem: A lack of forewarning that the Load Order did not, and cannot support all mods for BG3. I described the problem that occurred when I installed the mod, and gave what I considered a logical solution that would help avoid future drama from those that downloaded the Load Order, whom thought it would solve having to continue grooming theirs., only come to the Post Section and complain about it.
Why people continue to overreacting (yes, I am referring to you @mschi3ffmanagdx) to these reports is beyond me.
(Edited: Grammatical Error Correction)
For the BG3MM, is it possible for us to use this in our inactive section (assuming we don't use all of our mods at once)?
Each time I start manually organizing them, save, and refresh, it reverts back to alphabetical order, is there a way to make a custom order using these instead?
I appreciate any help possible!
I'm so sorry that I'm still struggling with this; I'm sure this is just a me thing since so many other people have been able to figure it out. I don't necessarily need the tabs on the left/active side of the mod manager due to only playing with 30 mods at a time. However, I could benefit from them on the right/inactive side, where I have 100.
While I have no problem organizing the left side without it reverting to alphabetical, the right side is the one that's struggling. Do you know if it's possible for me to do this on the right?
Thank you for the help!
I downloaded and installed to VORTEX both of the files you currently have up for download, per the instructions you posted in the description.
The Separators show up in my Load Order tab at the very bottom, all stacked up.
I wasn't sure what the "Load Order examples" was supposed to do, but I unzipped it and imported. I don't see the result?
Were the Separators supposed to auto-order themselves, or do I have to put them in the best order? What resources tells me the appropriate order?
So far I have not manually changed any of the orders, and the separators are all concentrated at the end. I hope I didn't just screw things up!
I also realized that I imported the suggested load order incorrectly. In case it might help someone else, here's a more detailed instruction for Vortex users:
Click Load Order tab on the left column.
Click Import from... > Import from File... then select "A&D VORTEX.lsx" from the manually downloaded zip file you already downloaded.
Be prepared to move your mods around as the vast majority of them are not going to be auto-categorized.
Note that this isn't "perfect" and is always gets tweaked as i play more and more or mods updates with new features, are subject to change. The more mods use CF/CL/SLC/SE the easier it is for ordering.
And oh god, I saw you mentioned LOOT elsewhere, that would be amazing! (Though with Larian's limitations some mods are better off installed as loose files in vortex, and then vortex allows prioritizing conflicts at the file level and that would make LOOT here somewhat complicated)
But then, if you mentioned Bethesda utils, would you consider making a UUID conflict resolution app akin to FNVEdit etc? Yeah yeah, maybe I am fantasizing :)
Tracking your work here.