Suddenly theres a Bug from so many Playthroughs on Master Trainers. Apparently a game bug fixed by the unofficial patch. (Illusion Ritual Spell) Maybe thats the reason why the Mod no longer works.
Master Trainers refuse to Train me, they just tell me theres nothing to Train me for. I JUST got to them and i havent even gained a Skill Point on said Skill, but they just tell me im Already at 100%.
Disabling your Mod fixes the Bug where they can Train me up to 90 instead of 100
Just wondering if you can make Master Trainers Train me up to 100 in one day instead of 5 times per day and make them Cheap please. I have these Mods, but im trying to Lower the esp Count of my Mod List.
1) I tried a trainer that was unassociated to the main files. ... worked properly. 2) I tried Drevas (The illusion trainer ... worked properly 3) I tried to train from L15, and got all the way up to 100. ... worked properly. 4) I worked up to L91, exited dialog, then reentered, and continued training to 100 ... worked properly. 5) I trained up to L95, exited dialog, then reentered, and continued training to 100 ... worked properly. 6) I started the quest for master illusion and didn't finish. Asked for more training. ... worked properly.
7) I re-downloaded the legendary unofficial patch, and installed it (to ensure recent version) ... worked properly. 8 ) I started a new character, and went straight to the mage guild. Trained in illusion. ... worked properly. 9) I got up to L95 with new character in illusion. Exited and reentered dialog ... worked properly. 10) I did the illusion quest, finding all 4 books, and turned it in. ... worked properly. 11) trained up to L100 on illusion. ... Worked properly. 12) I shifted illusion to Legendary, and trained up to max. Worked properly. 13) I reset it again (Legendary x2) ... works properly.
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I am sorry, but I can't seem to recreate the error you mentioned. At this time.
On my system, the mod seems to be working within normal parameters, as intended.
To do more troubleshooting, I need more information about the mods involved that might deal with the trainers. Without such information, I am unable to go any further with troubleshooting, since I can't recreate the issue on my system.
What other mods are you using that effect training and trainers?
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Note : I have not tried to use the altered limits or training costs mods myself.
Since I do not use those, I am unfamiliar with any issues with them specifically.
Request for troubleshooting purposes : Remove both of those mods from your load order, and see if it works properly with just my mod, and the unofficial patch on your system.
If it works properly, then it is not an issue with the Unofficial patch.
If it does work properly, that means the conflict is with settings in one or both of those two mods.
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Without further information, I am unable to continue further with troubleshooting. Please let me know.
This is very odd indeed, i disabled All my Mods and just kept the Legendary Unofficial Patch, yet the Master Trainers still insist theres nothing they can teach me when im standing there for the first time in front of them ready for some Training.
I did how ever found New Mods that fixed the problem if you want to look at them, since i Merged them aswell. (Not your Mod included)
The mod "True Master Trainer" http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75103/?
says it will let them train up to 100, not cap it at 90...
My mod already lets you train up to 100 ... and removes the cap of 90 ...
... With both doing the same thing, it may be a conflict where the two mods are bickering with each other, since they deal with the same basic type of changes.
Out of curiosity, If attempting to reduce the number of mods in the list, ... why have two mods doing the same effect?
If we have two mods doing the same thing, with the same people, odds are that they will bicker with each other internally, and it increases possible issues in the future. ... That is my guess of such at this time.
daventry wrote: Suddenly theres a Bug from so many Playthroughs on Master Trainers. Apparently a game bug fixed by the unofficial patch. (Illusion Ritual Spell) Maybe thats the reason why the Mod no longer works.
Master Trainers refuse to Train me, they just tell me theres nothing to Train me for. I JUST got to them and i havent even gained a Skill Point on said Skill, but they just tell me im Already at 100%.
Disabling your Mod fixes the Bug where they can Train me up to 90 instead of 100
Just wondering if you can make Master Trainers Train me up to 100 in one day instead of 5 times per day and make them Cheap please. I have these Mods, but im trying to Lower the esp Count of my Mod List.
Rex1029 wrote: I will look into it. Thx for the head's up.
Rex1029 wrote: Ok .... I need more information from you.
So far, I have performed the following steps.
1) I tried a trainer that was unassociated to the main files. ... worked properly. 2) I tried Drevas (The illusion trainer ... worked properly 3) I tried to train from L15, and got all the way up to 100. ... worked properly. 4) I worked up to L91, exited dialog, then reentered, and continued training to 100 ... worked properly. 5) I trained up to L95, exited dialog, then reentered, and continued training to 100 ... worked properly. 6) I started the quest for master illusion and didn't finish. Asked for more training. ... worked properly.
7) I re-downloaded the legendary unofficial patch, and installed it (to ensure recent version) ... worked properly. 8 ) I started a new character, and went straight to the mage guild. Trained in illusion. ... worked properly. 9) I got up to L95 with new character in illusion. Exited and reentered dialog ... worked properly. 10) I did the illusion quest, finding all 4 books, and turned it in. ... worked properly. 11) trained up to L100 on illusion. ... Worked properly. 12) I shifted illusion to Legendary, and trained up to max. Worked properly. 13) I reset it again (Legendary x2) ... works properly.
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I am sorry, but I can't seem to recreate the error you mentioned. At this time.
On my system, the mod seems to be working within normal parameters, as intended.
To do more troubleshooting, I need more information about the mods involved that might deal with the trainers. Without such information, I am unable to go any further with troubleshooting, since I can't recreate the issue on my system.
What other mods are you using that effect training and trainers?
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Note : I have not tried to use the altered limits or training costs mods myself.
Since I do not use those, I am unfamiliar with any issues with them specifically.
Request for troubleshooting purposes : Remove both of those mods from your load order, and see if it works properly with just my mod, and the unofficial patch on your system.
If it works properly, then it is not an issue with the Unofficial patch.
If it does work properly, that means the conflict is with settings in one or both of those two mods.
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Without further information, I am unable to continue further with troubleshooting. Please let me know.
daventry wrote: This is very odd indeed, i disabled All my Mods and just kept the Legendary Unofficial Patch, yet the Master Trainers still insist theres nothing they can teach me when im standing there for the first time in front of them ready for some Training.
I did how ever found New Mods that fixed the problem if you want to look at them, since i Merged them aswell. (Not your Mod included)
says it will let them train up to 100, not cap it at 90...
My mod already lets you train up to 100 ... and removes the cap of 90 ...
... With both doing the same thing, it may be a conflict where the two mods are bickering with each other, since they deal with the same basic type of changes.
Out of curiosity, If attempting to reduce the number of mods in the list, ... why have two mods doing the same effect?
If we have two mods doing the same thing, with the same people, odds are that they will bicker with each other internally, and it increases possible issues in the future. ... That is my guess of such at this time.
The weird thing is, when i Disabled All the Mods including those two by just keeping your Mod, the Master Trainers still insist theres nothing they can Train me with.
Why do i have two Mods doing the same effect from the other Author, because one Mod only goes to 90 and for some reason the other Mod lets me Train only 5 times per day. Merging those two Mods fixed everything.
Close, but there is an issue ... Those are not the two mods I am referring to, ... you only referenced one of them.
And as for people, again, you haven't referenced what I was addressing...
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If both of those mods are working together, then great. No problem. No issue with those two.
The question, more bluntly put is ...
You are using the other Master Trainer, which allows you to go to 100. And... You are supposedly using my mod, which ALSO allows you to go to 100.
They mirror function, and application. ... sooo ... I fail to see why you would have both of THOSE files in the load order.
(The one to give more training per level is not the one I am referring to.)
If you are trying to streamline the load order, it seems as if you would only use 1 of those.
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As for the people point, I was referring to the trainers themselves. If my mod makes changes to them, and another mod makes changes to them, and if something else makes changes to that list, THAT is what will be making the conflicts. My reference never dealt with the point of using a mod from another author.
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Putting this confusion issue to the side for a moment, however...
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Let's work with the other issue you just brought up. You said that my mod isn't working.
The fact is, I am unable to duplicate that issue either. I trained with that new character, and with the old character, multiple times. One went from 15 to 100, the other went from 15 to double legendary, and a few extra ... And I did so with the new legendary unofficial patch... so I know it's not a conflict with that.
I'm not saying that you aren't having issues. Still, I am not there to see your load order, or troubleshoot your system directly. You have given partial information, and I am trying to sort out issue based on what you have said. Based on what you have said, I haven't seen the same issue on my system.
What I can say, however, is that I have been using it on my system, and there are no problems. I have had no problems reported lately. I can't get it to duplicate on my system, so I am limited in my troubleshooting aspects.
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That said ...
The only things I can think of at this point are 2 other possibilities ...
== 1) When you disabled them all, did you do a clean game, with a new character? If not, it may be carrying over information from the older save, preventing proper use. (I have had that in the past with another mod that had a single, custom trainer.) The safe file DOES carry over information from the quests, and the dialog for training (and it's options) is quest information.
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2) Do you have another mod that has changed the trainer quest, and the dialog from it? (For example, something adding another random trainer somewhere, outside of the norm.) If something has changed the dialog options for that quest, then there may be a conflict there that needs to be resolved... not knowing what your config is, or the other mods that you use are, however, I can't be any more specific than that.
I do know that when I used one of my older mods that added a single trainer, for enchanting at another place, that mod had a conflict, and the person refused to train. It ended up being a order issue in the mod. (If it wasn't in the right section, in the right order, then it would automatically refuse to train... In that case, it wasn't an issue with my training mod, it was an issue with the other mod that added the new trainer.
... Just trying to figure out what is going on, based on the info you have provided, and what I have found in the past... We seem to be having a disconnect right now.
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The issue now becomes a simple question, which is in your court.
I am not offended if you choose to use someone a mod from someone else. You have given my a report on an issue that I can't duplicate on my system.
Important : You have said that you have it working as you want it with a merged patch of those other two mods.
... If it is working now as you like it, do you even want to continue troubleshooting this issue?
If you do, then I need a lot more information. (*shrugs*) I have no problems working on such, but if you already have a mod set that works as you want it to, ... why reinvent the wheel ? Is it worth the troubleshooting process for you?
... That option is up to you dude. Just let me know either way.
Well the Mods i have now works as intended and i did start a New Game at first with Only your Mod as always when all of a sudden this weirdness happened and i had to look for New Mods.
Keep your Mod as i Love and use All your Mods, but i dont want to hassle you nomore with this tiny Bug on my end if its just me.
I made this to work with all the skills in the game, and last I checked, it worked.
If you are using trainers from another mod, I can't really do much for that since I don't have that mod. I can tell you what I did, but you would have to make new entries for the new trainers.
What trainer in which skill set are you saying doesn't work?
Course.. even with the price cut, I will likely not worry about things at this point for the price line.
I deem the price for training reduced since it is "Current reinforcement" for the high skill trainer. You aren't so much as "Training" as doing "Shared Practice with them" as they do their normal training to keep current. ... I always thought training scaleing was a bit high on price personally
... Yeah... that's my story, and I am sticking to it. ... Glad you enjoy.
Ahyup this latest version seems to work just fine now, thanks.
One thing though, not that I'm particularly concerned with this issue, is that training costs from 90+ are considerably lower than previous levels. Of course by time time your training skills past 90 who really cares what they cost, just seemed odd so I thought I'd mention it.
Thank you for the response. This little bug is one that deserves some explanation.
I have a personal mod that allows me 30 training sessions per level. It worked fine for me up to L100, but the thing I forgot about was the conditionals in the trainer dialogue that cut off at L90. With that in mind, they COULD train you to L100, but it wouldn't let them access that once you past the normal L90. I simply didn't cross that point, the L100 being easily able to be reached once I got to L70 or higher.
The trainer conditionals have been fixed. You should be able to train with them up to L100 now.
Thanks for the bug report. Let me know how it works for you now. Tested with the two trainers you suggested, and worked for me.
Doesn't seem to work, at least for me. Loaded last to avoid conflicts. I can train from 89 to 90 to 91 etc but if I train from 89 to 90, then close the window I get the "I can't train you any further dialog." Tested on Faralda (Destruction) and Vipir the Fleet (Pickpocket) who gave me no option to train at all, possibly because I had already talked to him after hitting 91 prior to installing this.
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Master Trainers refuse to Train me, they just tell me theres nothing to Train me for. I JUST got to them and i havent even gained a Skill Point on said Skill, but they just tell me im Already at 100%.
Disabling your Mod fixes the Bug where they can Train me up to 90 instead of 100
Just wondering if you can make Master Trainers Train me up to 100 in one day instead of 5 times per day and make them Cheap please. I have these Mods, but im trying to Lower the esp Count of my Mod List.
So far, I have performed the following steps.
1) I tried a trainer that was unassociated to the main files. ... worked properly.
2) I tried Drevas (The illusion trainer ... worked properly
3) I tried to train from L15, and got all the way up to 100. ... worked properly.
4) I worked up to L91, exited dialog, then reentered, and continued training to 100 ... worked properly.
5) I trained up to L95, exited dialog, then reentered, and continued training to 100 ... worked properly.
6) I started the quest for master illusion and didn't finish. Asked for more training. ... worked properly.
7) I re-downloaded the legendary unofficial patch, and installed it (to ensure recent version) ... worked properly.
8 ) I started a new character, and went straight to the mage guild. Trained in illusion. ... worked properly.
9) I got up to L95 with new character in illusion. Exited and reentered dialog ... worked properly.
10) I did the illusion quest, finding all 4 books, and turned it in. ... worked properly.
11) trained up to L100 on illusion. ... Worked properly.
12) I shifted illusion to Legendary, and trained up to max. Worked properly.
13) I reset it again (Legendary x2) ... works properly.
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I am sorry, but I can't seem to recreate the error you mentioned. At this time.
On my system, the mod seems to be working within normal parameters, as intended.
To do more troubleshooting, I need more information about the mods involved that might deal with the trainers. Without such information, I am unable to go any further with troubleshooting, since I can't recreate the issue on my system.
What other mods are you using that effect training and trainers?
=====
Note : I have not tried to use the altered limits or training costs mods myself.
Since I do not use those, I am unfamiliar with any issues with them specifically.
Request for troubleshooting purposes :
Remove both of those mods from your load order, and see if it works properly with just my mod, and the unofficial patch on your system.
If it works properly, then it is not an issue with the Unofficial patch.
If it does work properly, that means the conflict is with settings in one or both of those two mods.
==
Without further information, I am unable to continue further with troubleshooting. Please let me know.
I did how ever found New Mods that fixed the problem if you want to look at them, since i Merged them aswell. (Not your Mod included)
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/45424
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75103
The mod "True Master Trainer"
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75103/?
says it will let them train up to 100, not cap it at 90...
My mod already lets you train up to 100 ... and removes the cap of 90 ...
... With both doing the same thing, it may be a conflict where the two mods are bickering with each other, since they deal with the same basic type of changes.
Out of curiosity, If attempting to reduce the number of mods in the list, ... why have two mods doing the same effect?
If we have two mods doing the same thing, with the same people, odds are that they will bicker with each other internally, and it increases possible issues in the future. ... That is my guess of such at this time.
The weird thing is, when i Disabled All the Mods including those two by just keeping your Mod, the Master Trainers still insist theres nothing they can Train me with.
Why do i have two Mods doing the same effect from the other Author, because one Mod only goes to 90 and for some reason the other Mod lets me Train only 5 times per day. Merging those two Mods fixed everything.
And as for people, again, you haven't referenced what I was addressing...
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If both of those mods are working together, then great. No problem. No issue with those two.
The question, more bluntly put is ...
You are using the other Master Trainer, which allows you to go to 100.
And...
You are supposedly using my mod, which ALSO allows you to go to 100.
They mirror function, and application. ... sooo ... I fail to see why you would have both of THOSE files in the load order.
(The one to give more training per level is not the one I am referring to.)
If you are trying to streamline the load order, it seems as if you would only use 1 of those.
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As for the people point, I was referring to the trainers themselves. If my mod makes changes to them, and another mod makes changes to them, and if something else makes changes to that list, THAT is what will be making the conflicts. My reference never dealt with the point of using a mod from another author.
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Putting this confusion issue to the side for a moment, however...
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Let's work with the other issue you just brought up. You said that my mod isn't working.
The fact is, I am unable to duplicate that issue either. I trained with that new character, and with the old character, multiple times. One went from 15 to 100, the other went from 15 to double legendary, and a few extra ... And I did so with the new legendary unofficial patch... so I know it's not a conflict with that.
I'm not saying that you aren't having issues. Still, I am not there to see your load order, or troubleshoot your system directly. You have given partial information, and I am trying to sort out issue based on what you have said. Based on what you have said, I haven't seen the same issue on my system.
What I can say, however, is that I have been using it on my system, and there are no problems. I have had no problems reported lately. I can't get it to duplicate on my system, so I am limited in my troubleshooting aspects.
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That said ...
The only things I can think of at this point are 2 other possibilities ...
==
1) When you disabled them all, did you do a clean game, with a new character? If not, it may be carrying over information from the older save, preventing proper use. (I have had that in the past with another mod that had a single, custom trainer.) The safe file DOES carry over information from the quests, and the dialog for training (and it's options) is quest information.
==
2) Do you have another mod that has changed the trainer quest, and the dialog from it? (For example, something adding another random trainer somewhere, outside of the norm.) If something has changed the dialog options for that quest, then there may be a conflict there that needs to be resolved... not knowing what your config is, or the other mods that you use are, however, I can't be any more specific than that.
I do know that when I used one of my older mods that added a single trainer, for enchanting at another place, that mod had a conflict, and the person refused to train. It ended up being a order issue in the mod. (If it wasn't in the right section, in the right order, then it would automatically refuse to train... In that case, it wasn't an issue with my training mod, it was an issue with the other mod that added the new trainer.
... Just trying to figure out what is going on, based on the info you have provided, and what I have found in the past... We seem to be having a disconnect right now.
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The issue now becomes a simple question, which is in your court.
I am not offended if you choose to use someone a mod from someone else.
You have given my a report on an issue that I can't duplicate on my system.
Important : You have said that you have it working as you want it with a merged patch of those other two mods.
... If it is working now as you like it, do you even want to continue troubleshooting this issue?
If you do, then I need a lot more information. (*shrugs*) I have no problems working on such, but if you already have a mod set that works as you want it to, ... why reinvent the wheel ? Is it worth the troubleshooting process for you?
... That option is up to you dude.
Keep your Mod as i Love and use All your Mods, but i dont want to hassle you nomore with this tiny Bug on my end if its just me.
Thank You for everything Friend
If you do find out what the deal is, please let me know. If you managed to get it, then someone else might as well.
Take care, and have fun.
I made this to work with all the skills in the game, and last I checked, it worked.
If you are using trainers from another mod, I can't really do much for that since I don't have that mod. I can tell you what I did, but you would have to make new entries for the new trainers.
What trainer in which skill set are you saying doesn't work?
Course.. even with the price cut, I will likely not worry about things at this point for the price line.
I deem the price for training reduced since it is "Current reinforcement" for the high skill trainer. You aren't so much as "Training" as doing "Shared Practice with them" as they do their normal training to keep current.
... Yeah... that's my story, and I am sticking to it.
One thing though, not that I'm particularly concerned with this issue, is that training costs from 90+ are considerably lower than previous levels. Of course by time time your training skills past 90 who really cares what they cost, just seemed odd so I thought I'd mention it.
Thanks for the update!
I have a personal mod that allows me 30 training sessions per level. It worked fine for me up to L100, but the thing I forgot about was the conditionals in the trainer dialogue that cut off at L90. With that in mind, they COULD train you to L100, but it wouldn't let them access that once you past the normal L90. I simply didn't cross that point, the L100 being easily able to be reached once I got to L70 or higher.
The trainer conditionals have been fixed. You should be able to train with them up to L100 now.
Thanks for the bug report.