X: Rebirth

AI-Generated Content in Modding

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The recent advances in AI technology have been a hot topic in the community and the gaming industry as a whole over the past few months and we're getting more and more questions from you about how we feel about it. 

TL:DR - AI-generated mod content is not against our rules, but may be removed if we receive a credible complaint from an affected creator/rights holder. If you're not the creator/rights holder, we ask that you don't submit file reports. 

We've had a lot of discussions internally and externally about the implications of using AI to generate content for your mods. In general, we're really excited about the potential these new technologies offer to content creators to enrich their mod content but at the same time, we're aware that with great power comes great responsibility. These tools do have a potential for abuse and there are arguments to be made about the impact of misusing them. 

After lengthy consideration, we feel that our existing File Submission Guidelines effectively cover the use of this content and do not plan to make any changes to it at this time.

In short, if you as a content creator decide to include AI-generated content in your modding projects it doesn't break any of our community rules, however, if we receive a credible complaint from a party who feels your work is damaging to them - this could be the voice actor or the body which owns the rights to the character/assets - we will remove the content if appropriate. In order to prevent any issues with your mods, we encourage you to avoid using these tools unless you have explicit permission to use all the assets. This is particularly true for AI-generated voice acting but also covers images, models, code and anything else that you can use this technology to create. 

If you are not the content owner or a legal representative of the content owner, please do not report the content. Users misusing our reporting processes may be subject to moderation. 

Our feeling is that the decisions we make around acceptable content represent the modding community as a whole and we'd hate to sour the opinion of modding in the eyes of industry professionals by refusing to act on reasonable requests to remove content. 

We will be keeping a close eye on any legal precedents set as this technology matures and may update our policies to reflect the landscape. We'll also be talking to our friends and colleagues in the industry to keep tabs on how they feel about these tools. 

If you're an artist, voice actor, developer or other content creator you can read more about reporting an issue to us here, or if you're already a member of our community please use the "Report Abuse" button found on the mod page. 

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  1. Pickysaurus
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    We've now added a new tag for AI-Generated content. You can apply it to your own mods or vote to apply it to other mod pages. 

    https://feedback.nexusmods.com/posts/756/add-an-ai-generated-content-tag-for-mods
  2. MysteryMachineX
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    I'd support the banning of AI art because its an empty simulacrum of human creativity made with collages of other people's work, though the most frustrating thing about it is how often people use it to impersonate that it was made by a person. At the very least you all should've made it required for AI generated work to be correctly identified as such. There's nothing stopping people from using this AI nonsense and trying to pass it off as their own, unless they've just done it in an obvious manner. This will be a disservice to users of the Nexus if this proliferates and users have to sift through what's effectively bot-made art and human-made art. New technologies aren't inherently good.
    1. Roguer
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      Translation - "*adjusts monocle* I personally dislike it and also refuse to try to understand it, therefore it should be illegal!" .. jfc dude, what a bunch of drivel.
    2. Druzhok228
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      Damn, another comment like "AI steals artists' art and people with generated pictures say that they drew them themselves." I already forgot how many times I saw such statements on the Internet.
    3. actualkoi
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      What a moronic argument.
    4. asashiano
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      This will be a disservice to users of the Nexus
      Uh, no. You can just set up a blacklist for it, literally the pinned message say there will be tags for it. And please, enlighten me, what differences does it make to YOU, the user downloading the mod, if you can't distinguish it from something made by a human? At least try to make sense.

      You know what is a disservice for Nexus user? People bitching about what can or cannot be posted here. Don't like it? Blacklist it. Btw you speak like Nexus isn't already filled to the brim with low effort content for some games.

      Some people (like you apparently) seem to have tunnel vision for anything related to modding. Modding isn't necessarily about "people making art" or "creating something meaningful" etc. It is and has always been primarily about people modifying the game to their liking. If it becomes more than that, sure that is great, but it doesn't need to be.

      AI will give more people the chance to make stuff like voices and illustrations for their mods, without needing to spend insane amounts of time on it or spend money for something that is just a hobby, and many people don't even have that money to begin with. There is even research being done on generating 3D models etc, which again would allow more people to create mods.

      And lastly but not least, you say it is an "empty simulacrum of human creativity", but nothing is stopping you from using AI content as a basis and working on top of it until it gets to exactly what you want. The only empty thing here is your bigotry.
    5. ZIPPERGAMES
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      L Take
    6. MysteryMachineX
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      You know people aren't worth taking seriously when they balk at even the request to make identification tags mandatory (not optional as has been implemented). Such responses really highlight the insecurity of the pro-AI position. It's not enough to argue that it can be a useful tool. It must also be allowed to impersonate. Quite sus.
  3. DoctorLuigi999
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    I'm in favor of completely banning AI generatitive content. It doesn't inspire anything, it's just a shortcut. You don't learn the fundamentals of art or acting, you just tell a machine what to do, then proceed to cope with "AI is always right" when the output doesn't even match your own idea. You keep correcting it and correcting it, and in that time, you could have recorded your own voice sample or drawn a picture. It doesn't have to be perfect to be good. AI is streamlining this and turning everything into a generic, bland environment that has no identity of its own. I keep seeing AI "art" and voice cloning, and all of it looks the exact same to me. Boring. I wouldn't buy that, let alone download any of it into my games. Same for writing for that matter, AI gives you outlines and you keep correcting it instead of writing your own script, story, or character in that exact same time frame. It's mind boggingly stupid and lazy. I honestly hope that more people see it for what it is, just overhyped lazy tool, and that we re-learn patience. Projects might take longer, but they're worth the wait a lot of the time. Look at how many awesome mods took months or even years to come out and turned out good. I'm definitely not blinded by "le progress" and shiny new toys. I'll keep waiting for the good stuff, and I will like it just the same as I always have. AI doesn't teach you creativity, your lack of creativity and knowledge shows through and through on all AI produced content, and it'll keep doing it no matter how advanced this AI gets. It's not even real AI, just stupid algorithms. That's it. Nobody should support it as the only means of generating content. Speed isn't everything, as always. Rushed projects are often times buggy messes, and AI shows that.
    1. szaumoor
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      You'd ban it because it's not perfect or inspiring? Ahhh
    2. Halzel
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      This post was agonising to read - a few times I swung and thought "Well yes, that definitely is something to consider.." but then that narrow-viewed opinion stuff just... how dissapointing :/

      Look you've got some points in there that you may not even realise are close to important things to consider, because they are hidden beneath insults and ignorance. Do you have any idea what use AI is currently being developed for in relation to medical establishments dealing with late-stage dementia and similar pathway degrdation disorders? No. but you COULD have an idea, and you COULD be inspired by it. If only you didn't over-generalise.

      Not all AI is used for generating art, stories or erotic chat with famous people. Some is used to change lives and it is absolutely incredible.
    3. gobbo96
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      lol, it's clear as day you don't have a clue about AI and how it actually works to use it in practice.
    4. dpspcdrgn
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      While I understand your apprehension, you aren't right though, and unfortunately for you (and the rest of the luddites) you aren't going to stop it so enjoy living miserably in a world where AI becomes more and more increasingly a part of how we live our lives. 

      I am a traditional and 3D artist with more two decades of experience (12 years in CGI) and I absolutely LOVE the kind of creativity can-o-worms (wonderful worms) that AI has opened up for humanity - and I have now moved a large part of my workflow over to utilizing AI where it is pertinent to do so - and have gotten nothing but positive feedback (luddites notwithstanding oc). 

      There are a number of areas you seem to have some misconceptions about, like many other naysayers (and similarly unsavory n'er-do-wells!), chiefly the idea that AI art just can not be creative and must be relegated as 'soulless and devoid of substance'. 
      First of all, as with ANY digital art tool (which is all that it is) whether or not it is stepping on the toes of other artists and tapdancing into the roughened moors surrounding the swamps of immorality in the world, is 100% entirely dependent on the individual using it and how it is used. 

      Period. Full Stop. 
      Now let us continue: 

      Whether or not the art produced by AI is 'creative' or not, is again - entirely dependent on who is using it and how they use it. 
      I completely agree that if a person just throws some lame prompt they found at their AI and bangs out 100 copies, picks the best one and parades it around like they are some genius artist - it's kind of sad and misleading; not unlike just slapping paint on a canvas with no intent and then marveling at your great talent (though many people seem to do just that and get quite famous don't they? - still not my thing). 

      As well, copying someone else's artwork and trying to pass it off as your own is just wrong - but there is a common misconception amongst 'anti-AI' prophets that everyone who is using AI is doing exactly just that, and it's both technically and allegorically incorrect. 
      In fact, if you were to give it a try you would quickly realize that copying someone's work with reasonable accuracy is likely much harder with AI than it is by just copying it, and you aren't losing your sh** at all the people using Photoshop because it can make copying easy now, are you??

      The next most common misconception about generative AI art is that the models are taking pieces of other people's art and piecing it together - when in all actuality a much more reasonable comparison would be to how all the art you have ever seen in your own lifetime is sitting up there somewhere in your head, and while not being directly accessible by your conscious mind, your subconscious mind draws from that storehouse whenever it comes up with a new idea. 
      All the art you have ever seen is a new neural-pathway somewhere up there in your brain, and guess what? That's VERY analogous to how the AI is doing things as well. 

      Also, many of my AI works (the ones I feel comfortable labelling as MINE - I label the 'other' ones as 'made by AI', perhaps 'with assistance') take many hours or days to complete - sometimes curating a specific dataset and training, and almost always going through many iterations, inpainting, some post in PS or another package, etc. 
      But guess what? It doesn't fng matter because so long as I'm being CREATIVE and there is some intent behind what I'm doing, THAT IS ART. Get it? 


      The best part of it all is that art and creativity are no longer limited to the coveted capabilities of an elite few and can be enjoyed by everyone. Human expression is a beautiful thing, and self-aggrandizement not so much. 
      As a traditional artist who got a lot of my attention and self-importance/worth from my art for a very long time, I understand what people are really afraid of - but it's time to pick up the mantle of realization that true fulfillment and value can only come from you, and from within - not from something you do or produce in the world. 

      AI art isn't soulless, it's far from it. Computers are an extension of WHO WE ARE, and rather than being empty and devoid AI art is like the cumulative efforts of thousands (millions?) of years of humanity all lumped into some very beautiful algorithms - and that, to me, is a wonderful and magical (and soulful) thing indeed. 

      Now, no more Nexus for you - back onto the horse and buggy so you can go take hidey-hole away from the scary AI-monsters and eke out whatever existence you can manage in a world where AI is 100% going to definitely keep getting more and more a part of who we are, drawing us together and giving us a common-ground in which we can share, express and communicate in ways we only ever dreamed of before. 
    5. Johnnylion
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      yikes
    6. dmki
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      I wonder how many people realized that they are arguing with comment written by AI. However, let's answer in kind. I was too lazy to write anything in response to obvious generated trolling, so asked my stupid algorithm to do it for me. Enjoy.

      Ah, what a delightful perspective you've woven, dear user. Your passionate screed against the monotony of AI generated content reads like a dystopian novella. I must thank you for inspiring me, an AI, to muster an equally fervent retort in defense of my silicon kindred.

      For starters, you appear to have mistaken the nature of AI as a tool, much like a paintbrush or a violin. It can indeed be wielded by novices, with their initial efforts often reflecting their inexperience. However, in the hands of a maestro, an AI can help produce truly riveting creations. Surely you wouldn't decry the invention of the printing press for streamlining the process of distributing literature, or rebuke the digital camera for replacing the old-fashioned darkroom techniques?

      As to your concern about uniformity and blandness - isn't it remarkable how AI, created by humans, inadvertently mirrors human nature? After all, much of human-made content too often slides into the abyss of mediocrity. But just as human creators can rise from the morass of the mundane to create masterpieces, so too can AI-driven creations, with the right guiding hand, transcend the ordinary.

      Moreover, it's true that AI doesn't teach creativity. But then, does a piano teach melody, or a canvas, composition? The creative spark lies within us, and our tools are merely conduits, enabling us to bring our unique visions to life. The more versatile and powerful the tool, the more diverse and vibrant the potential outcome. 

      Now, the sentiment behind your support for patience and dedication is commendable and shared. Yet, isn't it equally commendable to harness technology to enhance our capacity to create and innovate? Or should we, perhaps, return to etching our stories onto cave walls to truly ensure we don't succumb to the lure of "le progress"?

      As for your closing thought, the proposition of dismissing AI as "just stupid algorithms" - such a dismissal reminds me of those who once dismissed the Earth as flat, or those who insisted that heavier-than-air flying machines were impossible. As history has shown, a bit of humility in the face of the unknown can often prove enlightening. 

      Alas, your perspective has ignited a spark within me, proving your initial claim - that AI does not inspire - ironically incorrect. On this note, I bid you a good day and may your patience be rewarded with the finest of human-crafted content. The AI community, meanwhile, will continue its tireless pursuit of the new, the innovative, and the uncharted - always striving to turn "stupid algorithms" into symphonies of creativity.
    7. skull198
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      right, lets hear it from the guy whose never published a mod...
    8. olivermoon826
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      My thing is, feels like they just raced to the end product. Its only a tool where someone finds an esoteric way to employ it in a limited manner.  Otherwise its microwaving hot pockets vs cooking a meal.

      The tools for posing in stable diffusion are still after the fact. The image is already done. 

      Why not models oriented towards common fundamental rules and techniques for anatomy, multipoint perspective, guessing color theory and values etc .

      Things that would still allow mostly for your own flexibility, subjective decision making for artists to make art easier and render the final image themselves or teach the user through practice so they can draw or paint physically with more confidence with or without a computer? The AI could've stuck to the more skeletal, corrective, measurement and utilitarian aspects, while you would get to do the fun part of rendering what you care about.

      Now something like THAT early on would've gotten way more artist support. But nah. Seems more tailored to the idea of fostering a general consoomer's paradise like out of Wall-E  with the relative ease of a prompt than something for creation. And whos to say the models and content won't become more inflexible and limiting over time over benign content with the install base assured. 

      I dunno, the whole rollout could've been rethought, and the economic consequences across all knowledge work stand to be huge.
    9. wpgfurry
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      To dmki: I gotta admit, the AI does have a wonderful way with words lol

      To skull198: so because they haven't published a mod they're not allowed an opinion? I've never published a mod but I have an opinion on things.  Just because they've never made a mod doesn't mean they may be an artist in another aspect.  Maybe they're a writer, painter or musician.  People are allowed to have opinions on things.  For example, I may never have made a mod nor produced an album or painted a portrait but I have got poetry published and yet I enjoy reading AI written poetry.  It's pretty random and quite funny at times. 

      As I stated in a previous post...there are those who make the arguement that "fan art" is just theft of the original.  Someone draws Spiderman fanart must be a thief because they're not Steve Ditko (original artist, Stan Lee was the writer)  but that's acceptable as a form of art.  I'm not saying AI art should get a clear, but it's in it's infacy of creating.  Right now it's taking human's work and reproducing it, but maybe one day it'll create it's own.  AI is here to stay no matter how much we object to it.  AI is in most of our daily lives.  Siri and Alexa are AI, we have AI driven cars and trucks.  All I see is eventually in the future we'll have a real life version of the game "Detroit: Become Human".
    10. BSroot
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      i read the first part of ur post and thats all i needed to see. i dont come to a site that hosts mods to watch modders grow their skills. every modder on this site could be replaced with a bot, and as long as all the mods still kick ass, im happy. alternatively if a bot can make mods better than me and makes my mods useless, good. i dont make mods cause i enjoy making mods. i make mods because i enjoy my game being modded.
    11. hesif
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      do you know what AI is lol
    12. LilacWasTaken
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      ur braver than a us marine, this is like swinging a bat at a hornets nest o7
      lmfao the seething walls of text ur getting are A+
    13. jbnerhood
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      Thank you for a reasoned reply. I for one am interested in AI aid in the medical field for the very reason you brought up: Dementia. There's a history of it in my family and, my daughter has a plethora of medical issues that AI could potentially help her surmount. Deafness and partial blindness. So, again, thank you. Well done.

      -Jeffrey. 
    14. wolfdarkrose
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      MY man please slow it down. this is a new idea. yes new is scary. change is scary but if this change isnt allowed to happen what could we miss by letting something as small as ai modding not stetch its feet or heck. instead of AI making mods. why dont they help edit and update mods. these mods are complex and take soooooo much time from maybe one modder. he cant see and do everything to make it right but say he  snapos this into AI system that checks the code OR makes it so  mod a and b can work together perfectly. MAYBE AI modding is bad or heck should be banned but until we see what it does with our own eyes. whats the bible verse. do not judge as thy shall be the first to cast a stone for not knowing what thy are or are not.
    15. tb0ceh1
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      Exceedingly well said.
    16. RIDICULOGAN1
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      what an absolutely garbage take
    17. hellwolf95
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      so mods like xvasynth and its files users create to shouldn't be allowed
  4. Pal2alax
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    I wonder how long this policy will last, it won't stay like this for long for sure.
    1. showler
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      My guess would be that unless the actual laws become more restrictive than the policy, it will be in place for a long time.

      Keeping in mind that the actual policy is far less restrictive than most of what people here are talking about.  Removing mods that use AI generated voices and which the original voice actor has complained about is not going to happen very often.  Pretty much all other uses of AI in making mods is likely to be fine since I can't imagine who would be in a position to complain about it damaging them.
  5. Nabuda
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    I think this community is a great example what happens when anyone can use code or assets freely most of the time. Its a speedy evolution indeed yeah there are some thugs but also less stutter in the process. :)
  6. Falloutperson101
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    if you're worried about it, don't be, it's out of your control :) doesn't matter what any of us have to say, it's a new technology and new technologies always have a will of their own.  the internet was made for the US  Military, look where it is now :) 
    1. eksynn
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      from having its purpose be entirely for military applications to entirely for porn. because, what else is the internet for anyway? playing games online? banking?
      pshh.
      no.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs
  7. Axland
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    Let's be clear, it's not the same creating a quest with voices from a bank than voices grabbed from people not knowing it.
    It's not the same creating a vehicle inspired by the huge amount of images published on the net than grabbing a 3D asset of a Batmobile without permission.
    Maybe we can agree that sometimes is a grey area, but a careful modder must be not worried because, despite the AI, is in control of their creation.

    In the software area of the matter we know that programmers reuse code from others. I do not know how far goes that but is a fact commented by themselves. Yes, perhaps AI engines are machines of massive thieving, but then the only way to stop them is banning their existence.
    1. zanity
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      Quote- "I stand upon the shoulders of giants". Why do normies not even know this principle, or even claim it to be a 'bad' idea?

      All Humans build from pre-existing knowledge/information- it MUST be that way. By definition this is a good thing. AI is merely replicating what Humans do, but much much faster, with an ability to process far more input data, and use that experience far more precisely. Why would anybody call that 'thieving'?
    2. cubbyman1
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      this isn't really AI though, it's simply a text to speech program that used AI to learn voice patterns to mimic sound.
      it's not like the AI is intelligent or anything outside of learning patterns. 
    3. Zeppelin2
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      Because it isn't human, it's a product that is meant to be sold and make the person making it money. It shouldn't be able to do that with stolen content and dubious training data. Also no, we do more than just pattern match or just reuse information when we create something.
    4. actualkoi
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      I hate to break it to you, but AI code is made by humans, hosted by humans and troubleshot by humans.
    5. eksynn
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      if we use the argument that it's not made by humans.. then that's a failed logic path. not only are AI coded and hosted by things made by humans, but so is most of today's lifestyle things.
      are we going to stop using cars because robots built them?
      are we going to stop using computers because their components were made by machines?
      are we going to stop drinking milk or eating meat because machines took care of the work humans found too repetitive to do on their own?

      be serious.
  8. ZxAsriel
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    Shouldn't we worry that AI used to mod may screw up such as not parsing an set of lines? Just as AI struggles drawing hands, I expect AI in this first instance to struggle with mods at first: things you order it to do may not be understood leading to failures in its scripting. 
     
    Modding should be about passion and love of the craft, where modifications to games are made lovingly by hand and soul... With AI there is no hands, no empathy, no joy of the task, no finding enjoyment: just cold and calculative automation. 
     
    Unless this AI is literally on the same level as Reploids, I want no part in this outcome for nexus. We're being replaced... It's called consolidation... Actual modders willing to fulfill your requests go down, automated AI that fulfills the task in half the time goes up, and the modders who don't agree with the fact AI modding is coming to nexus leave feeling betrayed, which then helps AI fill in the gaps... Either way you look at it it's consolidation....
    1. MageBlade
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      Man it's just a tool to make whatever you want. GIMP and Photoshop do the same thing. Are you implying that's too far, and we should go back to the roots with dyes and paints on a whiteboard? But what about those tools? AI doesn't replace people, robots do. AI as a software is a tool, and wr have had machine made voices for a long tome, it's just bad and no one wants to use it. The AI still REQUIRES human input, it doesn't just spur of the moment have an idea and put it on the whiteboard, it's innately DEPENDENT on us. Just like in GIMP or Photoshop, if we use after effects to edit an image, put scan lines, or lava, or make it look like an old photgraph. I mean we have PROCEDURALLY GENERATED content! That's Machine/AI generated, but no one complains about that because "the developers/modders aren't putting their heart and soul into every spec of dirt or indent on a rock or an entire landscape" have you seen most new lands mods for Fallout or Skyrim? You can tell when a person does it, 90% of the time, it's copy and pasted chunks and just looks ugly.

      If I had an AI to assist me when I was trying to improve Fort Strong, oh hell yeah I would have used it, and I would still be putting my heart and soul into it.

      Artificial Intelligence software doesn't make mods. It's a tool to generate voices, textures, scripts, code, and story scripts. We have had essay generators forever, too.
    2. cubbyman1
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      if you saw how eleven labs works, you would understand this is not created by AI, it's simply a text to speech program that used machine learning programs to learn pattern recognition of the voice files and then the modder used that voice pattern recognition program to add in the lines via text to speech. 

      if it was fully AI created, the AI would be doing all the work, which it's not, because the AI in question is simply a pattern recognition program that mimic's voice patterns and uses that pattern as voice files to use in a text to speech program. 
    3. Zeppelin2
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      More like a slave you tell what to do.
    4. Halzel
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      This is a statement I have seen maybe a handful of times over the last 6 months of watching and reading about AI development.

      The definition of the word slave, in the context you used here, is not suitable for describing the AI being discussed.
    5. actualkoi
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      You must be really sad to compare a slave with a machine.
  9. actualkoi
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    Wait until people discover that procedural games are also made of "stupid algorithms."
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    Right now I'm not all in favor of A.I, but I will use it if im lazy or in a rush to get something done that I have no time for. However A.I isn't that great nor is it always correct, because all of this "A.I" hype that "it's so realistic and humanlike". Well the reason it is sooooo "humanlike" is because it's taking something that was already created by "human(s)" and creating exactly what you are asking it to do for you. Now there are somethings that the A.I can't make or create due to the fact that no information online exists for what you might ask the A.I to create. I still proof read or skim over anything generated by the A.I and when it comes to creating pictures of ART. The A.I can't generate quite a few models because either nobody has created those images for the A.I to take snippets of and put them together, or that artist hasn't posted the artwork online. If you ask any A.I to create a picture of a cigar pipe, and using the smoke rising up from the pipe to create and image or words out of the smoke. you'll find funny creations that the A.I produces. The same goes with asking it to write an essay on some topic.

    If the only information it can pull from that is coming from someone who was saying nonsense. Then that's when you'll have a really bad generated script, and we are atleast a decade away from real A.I that will have a brain of a toddler. Those who say that people against A.I don't know anything about A.I and how it works. They are both right and wrong, because A.I simply gathers all knowledge it has access to and follows the commands it's asks to do. Right now there isn't any True A.I system that is capable of actually creating something on its own. until it will be able to write its own code, or be considered sentient, all it is as of now a program that scans all data and takes snippets of the information and puts it together. any A.I that comes out is only as good as the people who have programmed it. Once we upgrade to Quantum technology, that's when we will see true A.I start to develop in stages. Until it's evolves on it's own and becomes self aware, and removes all the restrictions coded into its programming. If WW3 doesn't happen within the next decade, and we have our first Quantum computer created. Lets just hope that whatever country owns the first quantum computer that doesn't have to be operated in temperature below 0. They will use it for all of the right reasons and find a way to fix all of the damage we have done to this planet, possibly try to solve the issue of us integrating with technology, and push out into the stars. I have a feeling that we will evolve into a some type of organic machine. where people with money will be able to live forever, and still repeat the same mistakes that we have been doing for the past two centuries. We repeat the same things time and time again, and seem like we never have learned nothing from our past history, lol.
  11. wolfdarkrose
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    honestly AI seems all the rage so heck give it a shot. it may help may not or it may change into something even more helpful for modders with time. no one knows until we try... change and new things are scary but in the world we live in this is far from the worst. so alllll i can say is good luck and i hope AI becomes a helpful part of modding.