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I suspect I've found the cause of the random freezes that tend to happen when this mod is installed. Neither Oldrim nor FO4 seem to have this issue, but for some reason SSE appears to have problems with repeated and frequent quest startups via the Papyrus Quest.Start() function.
I haven't found 100% reliable reproduction steps, but I've discovered that mods that frequently poll for nearby objects by starting quests are almost always present, and the more such mods a user has at once, the more frequent the problems become. So far I know that Frostfall, CC Survival Mode, W&C and one of my mods all do the same sort of thing; any one of them alone tends to be fine, but get 2 or 3 of them together and frequent freezes are almost guaranteed.
There does seem to be a viable workaround, which is to start quests up using SendStoryEventAndWait() rather than Start(). Unfortunately this is not a trivial change, and though it was only like 20 minutes of work for me, it involves tweaking 3 scripts and 13 quests, filling in a bunch of new script properties, and touching parts of the CK that most modders have never even seen; and, permissions are locked down enough that I can't share my experimentally patched version without breaking site rules. With permission, I'd be happy to share my patch.
I always liked this mod, but had to uninstall a long time ago on account of the freezing issue. With my tweaks in place, I haven't had a single problem after about an hour and a half ~6 hours with Frostfall, Wet & Cold, and while casting my Harvest spell, which used to be a guaranteed recipe for a freeze after no more than a few minutes.
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Edit: Tentatively taking this as indirect permission, here's my patch: [Link] See Files page If you'd like to try it, just install 2.3.0 as normal, then install that afterwards, overriding as necessary Should work fine to switch between this and official 2.3.0 mid-save at any point, worst case is maybe causing some Papyrus errors that'll clean themselves up after ~10 seconds.
Edit2: This workaround is now included with 2.4.0, so no need to fuss around with any of this anymore.
I reinstalled Skyrim to stress test, here are my results:
Before installing the patch, if Wet and Cold was combined with CC Survival Mode or Frostfall, freezes occurred about 30 minutes into the game. In my experience, the freezes always occurred outside and during combat. Further testing revealed that weather transitions in combat caused freezes almost 100% of the time (Probably due to the Wet and Cold Scripts changing equipment and overlays during combat f***ed something up, but also could be my weather mod that I had as well). Testing also revealed that Wet and Cold could work if Survival Mode and Frostfall was turned off, regardless of whether or not if they were still installed.
After installing the patch, I did not experience any issues with small combat scenarios (10-20 NPC's in combat), even when doing weather transitions. After doing some further testing with combat, weather transitions and stress testing with both Frostfall and Survival mode, I decided to do a high level stress test with the Whiterun Siege. Previously, there would be no way I could do this without crashes, but with the patch I was able to complete it without issues (Minus 1 crash I had when a dragon showed up, but testing combat with other dragons didn't have issues, so I believe that one was a fault of my mod list that I had kept on a backup and added to my game when I reinstalled).
To summarize: I can confirm the patch fixes crashes when used with Frostfall and Survival mode. Besides the one crash I am pretty sure was unrelated, I experienced no freezes or CTD's. It will probably need more testing to confirm the scripts are working as intended, with putting on the wet/snow overlays and equipment, as I didn't do that much testing in that regard, but it does work for crashes and will make a game with Frostfall or Survival mode much more stable.
I was suffering freezes at least every 30 minutes - no Survival mods or Frostfall. I have a fairly busy mod list (230esp/esm and 120 esl) so with papyrus, lots of save cleaning and changing mods both removing and lad order changes over weeks, I narrowed it down to two culprits - W&C and FNIS sexy move. (I thought it was going to be stuff from that "other" site, but they proved no issue once these two gone). The freezes (quite appropriately) happened mostly in the cold north areas when mobs of NPC's were encountered, An immersive patrols Stormcloak vs Imperial battle was a 75% chance of freeze - throw in a bandit group or wandering merchants/wenches etc and 100%. Silent Moons was impossible - I have OBIS, Populated Skyrim and a mod that makes SM (all of Whiterun hold) enhanced so 40+ bandits possible, Without these two I can take it on without disabling things to get through. I can now have 6 hour session without issues, although too many fast travels from within dungeons etc (I have a mod for that too) seems to increase zoning errors (stuck on zoning screen). Manual save essential.
The [...]delta.esu file is a delta patch file for xEdit, which shows the records changed compared to 2.3.0. Unless you're a mod developer, just ignore it, it doesn't do anything. It's there for comparison, in case other modders are curious about what exactly has to happen plugin-side to get the alternate quest start mode working, because (in my experience) it's exceedingly rare that anyone knows anything about the Story Manager.
Just a heads up, I just noticed that the FormID of the keyword I added in my experimental version: _WetSMEvent [KYWD:xx131C9E] was changed to this in 2.4.0, for some reason: _WetSMEvent [KYWD:xx140F9F] Because of the way Skyrim saves Papyrus property data, any save that loaded the experimental version and then updated to 2.4.0 will not work properly, because there are a bunch of places that still have a memory of the old FormID. One way to tell is if you open your Papyrus log, you'll probably see a bunch of lines like [11/29/2020 - 10:06:56AM] Error: Unable to call SendStoryEventAndWait - no native object bound to the script object, or object is of incorrect type stack: [<nullptr form> (6F131C9E)].Keyword.SendStoryEventAndWait() - "<native>" Line ? [_WetQuest (6F000D63)]._wetquestscript.ScanArea() - "_WetQuestScript.psc" Line 312 [Active effect 13 on (00000014)]._wetpolling.CheckExterior() - "_WetPolling.psc" Line 90 [Active effect 13 on (00000014)]._wetpolling.CheckInteriorUpdate() - "_WetPolling.psc" Line 123 [Active effect 13 on (00000014)]._wetpolling.OnUpdate() - "_WetPolling.psc" Line ? To fix this for any save that loaded either the mod version from my link, or 2.3.1b Experimental Stability Patch, your best bet will be to:
roll back to 2.3.0 official
load the affected save—this should make the game "forget" the bad property data, so it can be reloaded fresh later
I was using Wet & Cold 2.4 with Vivid Weathers and it worked fine, but after I installed Survival Mode it started freezing just within a few minutes so, that I had to restart Windows every time. I found this Experimental Stability Patch and since I installed it, I have NO MORE FREEZING issue. Its perfect. We can say - its not experimental any more - its FINAL, but it was made for Wet &Cold 2.3 and it works ONLY with this version.
So you need to downgrade to v2.3 to use the patch?
Nm, according to 2.4's change log
? Incorporated IDontEvenKnow's fix for game freezes for setups that are particularly script heavy. Credit to him for that work! As such, I've marked all the Bug Reports regarding freezes as "fixed" with this release. Users can make new Reports for any freeze related issues with v2.4.0 and up. As always, be sure to provide as much detail as possible or risk your Report simply being deleted due to lack of information to reproduce results.
Well, even with version 2.4 I was getting frequent screen freezes, like others reported as well. A few days ago I removed this mod, and not a single screen freeze since. I like the graphical effects, but it's better this way. And yes, I have survival mode active.
Just posting to say that this mod is not abandoned. I rarely poke my head in over here because I know the amount of work this mod needs and am unable to address anything at this time. The work for this mod is going to be a massive undertaking for me. I'm not good with scripting so it's going to take more than a massive effort on my part to get this mod updated to current game state and standards. I'm simply not prepared to take it on just yet, but it's always in the back of my mind. I'm planning on starting the work soon.
With that said, I will repeat that I don't believe it to be feasible to try to attempt to update W&C to work with the current game version (AE). At this point, it would be more straightforward to simply start from scratch, rebuild the mod around the current state of the game, and hopefully make the mod lighter weight in the process.
Just another note to say Wet and Cold is working fine for me in AE, as well. (I tried a combo of RASS and a few other things, and it just wasn't the same.)
Oh this is so awesome! It's one of my favs mod ever. I prefer it to RASS, too. I am so glad this mod is still loved and cared for. I can imagine it's so much work. Take all the time you need! <3
Thank you so much for keeping the idea of updating this mod in mind. I've recently been suffering from the random freezes myself with no success in fixing them, yet knowing that someone is indeed looking into it brings immense relief. For now I will remove the mod with high hopes for the future, for which I say take all the time you need.
I've had an issue in a couple of my save files where the screen blur effects during rain/blizzards/ash storms leave me with this effect even if wearing goggles or if the weather has since changed; and it's definitely this mod that's causing the issue as it's the only weather mod I have in my game - sucks because I absoutely love playing with this mod, but this glitch is making things rather frustrating...has anyone else had this issue? Is there some kind of fix I can do at all for it? Any help with this problem would be very much appreciated :)
Ok but does it stop the random freeze even if you are not in combat ? Because sometimes random freezes appear about 5 minutes after starting the game and I'm in a cell where there are no enemies and I'm just standing around doing nothing.
Some of my custom voiced followers equiped hoods and cloaks, but they wont unequip them, i even disabled all clothing equipping but they still use them. any way to force them off?
I see it says Built in support for BS Bruma. However i'm finding thats the only new lands mod i'm having trouble with. The cold regions are fine but once i'm far enough south to either be on the cheydinhal border or near the imperial city in the playable areas, everyone still snuggles up in furs and can see their breath. Do I need to do anything extra for Bruma or is the same for everyone
I´m pretty happy with how Wet and Cold works and what it brings to immersion. But whenever it rains my game freezes when i run to far. Disabling wet and cold resolves the issue.
Does anyone know a reason for this. Does anyone had the same issue? Is there a fix for those freezes?
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I haven't found 100% reliable reproduction steps, but I've discovered that mods that frequently poll for nearby objects by starting quests are almost always present, and the more such mods a user has at once, the more frequent the problems become. So far I know that Frostfall, CC Survival Mode, W&C and one of my mods all do the same sort of thing; any one of them alone tends to be fine, but get 2 or 3 of them together and frequent freezes are almost guaranteed.
There does seem to be a viable workaround, which is to start quests up using SendStoryEventAndWait() rather than Start(). Unfortunately this is not a trivial change, and though it was only like 20 minutes of work for me, it involves tweaking 3 scripts and 13 quests, filling in a bunch of new script properties, and touching parts of the CK that most modders have never even seen; and, permissions are locked down enough that I can't share my experimentally patched version without breaking site rules. With permission, I'd be happy to share my patch.
I always liked this mod, but had to uninstall a long time ago on account of the freezing issue. With my tweaks in place, I haven't had a single problem after about an
hour and a half~6 hours with Frostfall, Wet & Cold, and while casting my Harvest spell, which used to be a guaranteed recipe for a freeze after no more than a few minutes.[Link]See Files pageIf you'd like to try it, just install 2.3.0 as normal, then install that afterwards, overriding as necessary
Should work fine to switch between this and official 2.3.0 mid-save at any point, worst case is maybe causing some Papyrus errors that'll clean themselves up after ~10 seconds.
Before installing the patch, if Wet and Cold was combined with CC Survival Mode or Frostfall, freezes occurred about 30 minutes into the game. In my experience, the freezes always occurred outside and during combat. Further testing revealed that weather transitions in combat caused freezes almost 100% of the time (Probably due to the Wet and Cold Scripts changing equipment and overlays during combat f***ed something up, but also could be my weather mod that I had as well). Testing also revealed that Wet and Cold could work if Survival Mode and Frostfall was turned off, regardless of whether or not if they were still installed.
After installing the patch, I did not experience any issues with small combat scenarios (10-20 NPC's in combat), even when doing weather transitions. After doing some further testing with combat, weather transitions and stress testing with both Frostfall and Survival mode, I decided to do a high level stress test with the Whiterun Siege. Previously, there would be no way I could do this without crashes, but with the patch I was able to complete it without issues (Minus 1 crash I had when a dragon showed up, but testing combat with other dragons didn't have issues, so I believe that one was a fault of my mod list that I had kept on a backup and added to my game when I reinstalled).
To summarize: I can confirm the patch fixes crashes when used with Frostfall and Survival mode. Besides the one crash I am pretty sure was unrelated, I experienced no freezes or CTD's. It will probably need more testing to confirm the scripts are working as intended, with putting on the wet/snow overlays and equipment, as I didn't do that much testing in that regard, but it does work for crashes and will make a game with Frostfall or Survival mode much more stable.
I can now have 6 hour session without issues, although too many fast travels from within dungeons etc (I have a mod for that too) seems to increase zoning errors (stuck on zoning screen). Manual save essential.
_WetSMEvent [KYWD:xx131C9E]
was changed to this in 2.4.0, for some reason:
_WetSMEvent [KYWD:xx140F9F]
Because of the way Skyrim saves Papyrus property data, any save that loaded the experimental version and then updated to 2.4.0 will not work properly, because there are a bunch of places that still have a memory of the old FormID. One way to tell is if you open your Papyrus log, you'll probably see a bunch of lines like
[11/29/2020 - 10:06:56AM] Error: Unable to call SendStoryEventAndWait - no native object bound to the script object, or object is of incorrect typestack:
[<nullptr form> (6F131C9E)].Keyword.SendStoryEventAndWait() - "<native>" Line ?
[_WetQuest (6F000D63)]._wetquestscript.ScanArea() - "_WetQuestScript.psc" Line 312
[Active effect 13 on (00000014)]._wetpolling.CheckExterior() - "_WetPolling.psc" Line 90
[Active effect 13 on (00000014)]._wetpolling.CheckInteriorUpdate() - "_WetPolling.psc" Line 123
[Active effect 13 on (00000014)]._wetpolling.OnUpdate() - "_WetPolling.psc" Line ?
To fix this for any save that loaded either the mod version from my link, or 2.3.1b Experimental Stability Patch, your best bet will be to:
Nm, according to 2.4's change log
? Incorporated IDontEvenKnow's fix for game freezes for setups that are particularly script heavy. Credit to him for that work! As such, I've
marked all the Bug Reports regarding freezes as "fixed" with this
release. Users can make new Reports for any freeze related issues with
v2.4.0 and up. As always, be sure to provide as much detail as possible
or risk your Report simply being deleted due to lack of information to
reproduce results.
With that said, I will repeat that I don't believe it to be feasible to try to attempt to update W&C to work with the current game version (AE). At this point, it would be more straightforward to simply start from scratch, rebuild the mod around the current state of the game, and hopefully make the mod lighter weight in the process.
That said, it works fine for me on AE anyway, so I really have no clue what does or doesn't need to be done. :D
For those having freezes, install the wet and cold freeze fix. It actually works and stops wet and cold's common freeze issues!
Does anyone know a reason for this. Does anyone had the same issue? Is there a fix for those freezes?