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Any feedback is welcome here. If you don't like my work, I can respect that as long as you show respect in return. And if you have any suggestions, feel free to post them too.
2018-05-26
I've made clearer in the FILES section that the few people experiencing issues with the store not opening should try version 1.2.0 of the mod.
Version 2.0 and 1.2 are basically the same mod beside 2 details: when exactly the store opens (before/after dialog) and how much gold can be replenished at a time (1x, 2x, 3x, 5x, 10x, 20x VS 1x only).
Version 1.2 is a bit more annoying since you need to exit the store, back to dialog panel, and enter the store again. That's a small price to pay for those experiencing issues with version 2.0.
They are 100% compatible out of the box (make sure this is below ordinator in the load order obviously), this mod will replace the Trade Prince perk (flat +gold to merchants) with the Master Trader perk from this mod.
There are no negative consequences, they both perform the same role of increasing merchant gold.
The only difference is that you need 100 speech to unlock this mod's version, and only 90 for ordinators. This is a very quick edit in SSEEdit to change this one's requirement to 90, if you lack that ability, you can accept the higher barrier for entry. A small price to pay for the main benefit of this mod as a whole. :)
If it's the 1st option:
If it's the 2nd option:
The 2nd option is more likely, what you're describing is looking like a mod conflict.
What puzzle me is how you can have absolutely no dialog option...🤔 This mod doesn't add or remove dialog options, it just add a script on the dialog option, which means it doesn't affect the dialog being there or not, just what it does when you click on it. So for the dialog option to not be there at all, you might have a corrupted save-game, which is very frequent even without mod. It's just that we don't usually see those corruptions because they're rare enough or not big enough to be of any consequences...
Keep me updated if this solved the problem please.
Further things you could try...
Disable all other mods
Disable all mods except Master Trader SE. This could show if it's another mod that somehow interferes with the dialog option.
Use a downloaded savegame
Download a separate savegame from Nexusmods and try with that savegame instead.
Why not just try a new savegame from your own installation? Weirdly enough, Bethesda games sometimes have weird corruption based on the actual system you're playing... I know it feels like it's impossible, but I've experienced it myself with Oblivion. No matter how many new games I started, the game would crash on loading the savegame. I re-installed the game, Windows itself, no custom config, all updated, pretty much anything you can think of. Bethesda itself worked 2 months on my savegames and couldn't figure out why... 😭 As soon as I downloaded a new savegame from the Nexus => 100% working, no bugs whatsoever! 🤷♂️
I'm not saying you should start a new game, but at least testing a basic new savegame downloaded from the Nexus could help figure out if it's something in the game engine that conflicts with your hardware/software.
Is it possible you have installed "too many" mods? (more specifically, too many mods with scripts)
Bethesda, in their infinite wisdom 🤮, implemented the Papyrus scripting engine in a way that it will skip lines of code if the game lags too much. 😱😱😱
Their reasoning is that no script should endanger the game so for performance reasons, let's skip some code randomly... What could go wrong?!?! It's not like it could corrupt your savegames and you'd lose all your time investment... /sarcasm
So yes, maybe it's not actually a mod conflict so much as you hit some hardware limitations on your system.
It's totally crazy that modders have to deal with this stuff, but this is the
fecesreality Bethesda has thrown at us. The worst part is it varies from computer to computer because no one has the exact same hardware/software setup. I even saw modders that would be fine 95% of the time, but the game wouldn't work if some specific background task would start in Windows... It's absolutely batshit crazy, I just hope we, as a community, don't have to deal with this in Starfield and whatever comes next for Bethesda.It took days but I finally realized I had a typo in my Engine Fixes .toml file that had been there in my previous playthrough, but caused far less issues. Corrected it and so far everything is back to normal, including the merchant dialogue issue I reported here.
Endorsed, and thank you!
Also, a huge thank you for the follow up. Most people would have just left the issue in here without resolution, making others think there was something wrong with the mod... So yeah, a huge thank you for closing the thread on a positive note.
Have fun!
Doesn't work with the bBarterMenu = false either, but granted that I have a rather big modlist (including Requiem), it's unlikely the mod's gonna work without all kinds of patches.
I wish there was some kind of a simple SKSE-plugin preventing the merchants to ever run out of a set amount of gold in a barter menu :(
On one hand, it shows a possible incompatibility with another mod, which could be an important information for users of this mod.
On the other hand, the lack of etiquette is a bit appalling... There's no help request, just a "fear spreading" conclusion that my mod should be compatible with Skyrim Souls but isn't... There's no link to help me reply, I have to look it up myself and it seems the real mod name is Skyrim Souls RE - Updated, not Skyrim Souls...
Reading the first line of that mod's description makes it 100% clear to me it will never be compatible with my mod:
Well, the only thing I state is incompatible with my mod is those kind of mods that messes up with the barter dialogue, which is a menu itself... 🤷♂️
So yes, my mod will not be compatible with Skyrim Souls RE - Updated. Although I'd argue it's Skyrim Souls RE - Updated that isn't compatible with my mod. They go nuclear on menus; things are expected to not work as intended...
What bothers me the most is that I use a lot of finesse in my mods to minimize the possible incompatibilities, but there's always a modder somewhere that acts like a bulldozer and then point fingers at the other mod authors. No, we're not the problem, mods like Skyrim Souls RE - Updated are...
In any case, about the bBarterMenu = false part, I read a bit on Skyrim Souls RE - Updated and their solution is to dump the problem on other modders. There was already an utility function called utility.waitmenumode(1) which sole purpose is to wait until the menu closes. All they had to do is to validate which menu we were currently accessing and adjust according to their bBarterMenu = false configuration instead of inventing a new way of doing things. This way, they would be compatible with every mod, not just those that changed their perfectly fine implementation for the one required by Skyrim Souls RE - Updated. I'm not saying it would be easy, but this is what it means to act with finesse instead of using a bulldozer...
Sorry for the rant, it had to be said 😅
But I do apologize if my post seemed harsh or offending to you. There was no such intention or salt behind it, and I'm sure your mod works great by itself and will be very helpful to most people.
Because again, it doesn't work for me with SkyrimSouls completely disabled, too. If a merchant initially has, say, 5000 gold, I deplete it and refresh the barter menu, his amount of gold will now be ranging between 50-70 septims. I looked it up in SSEEdit, and the only conflict was in the LeveledItem "PerkMasterTraderGold" with Requiem - Trade and Barter patch. I tried adjusting the values so they match, didn't work. Oh well.
I also apologize if my post seemed a bit more brutal than it should 😅
The first thing to try would be to load my mod last to see if it does work for you when no other ESP file could overwrite the values.
I would also validate the scripts are physically installed correctly. I've seen the NexusModManager skip some files sometimes back in the days, not sure how much of this is still possible with Vortex. But given it kinda is an evolution of NMM, I wouldn't put it past Vortex to have the same bug.
Maybe remove any SKSE plugin to validate if it's something behind the scene that can't be controlled by an ESP file.
Bold maybe, but I still stand by it. This mod was released at least 3 years prior to Skyrim Souls RE - Updated. I did the best I could to avoid conflict with any existing mods and used method to reduce the chances of conflicts with future mod. Skyrim Souls RE - Updated simply barged in and didn't take any care about the mods made before them. They consciously chose to break some game commands and then literally ask modders to adjust to their method... It is their mod that breaks mine, not the other way around 😜
Using it some more, I have found that the Dawnguard merchants aren't affected by the extra gold, almost certainly because of their unique merchant dialog. The vampire merchants for that path would likely have the same result.
While the mod will work with almost all merchants, somehow Bethesda made a very select few merchants not have "physical" references in-game?!?! That's why they don't work with this mod, they don't have a "body" to put gold in their pockets... It seems Bethesda did this mostly for the expansion merchants, maybe it was a different team and they cut corners 😅
As for the limits of the mod, the technical reason I didn't go over 20x is because of the gold glitch. If a vendor gets too much gold, he will still accept your items, but not give you any gold in return... nobody wants that!!!
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/41625
Would be great to have much more gold. I am not sure, but the glitch may be repeated above 80.000, but maybe this was just me.
Actually, you're describing the gold glitch which is a known glitch of the game.
Whenever the merchant goes over 32767K , it will take your item but won't give you gold in return. Effectively giving the item for free to merchants.
The very reasons this mod exists are two-fold:
You most likely sold too much to a merchant without resetting the gold and you went over the limit for that merchant. Unfortunately, since it's a game glitch there is nothing to do about it. That merchant will be corrupted for the remaining of your savegame.
There are only 2 solutions to this:
If this is not the actual problem, then I encourage you to give me more details so I can help you resolve the issue. I'd start by making sure this mod is loaded last just to check if you have another mod running interference with this one.
Allow me to highly doubt your claim, especially that this mod is causing a shop to close forever.
This mod won't affect schedules, the NPCs themselves, inventory or anything else for that matter.
The only thing this mod affects is the dialogue system when you say the lines "Have you got something for sales" or a derivative.
Given only a few dialogue lines are affected and I only added to their original script to manage the gold, I fail to see how this could possibly close a shop forever.
There are a ton of possibilities as to why a dead Belethor could close the shop forever:
- There's no one to take over the shop in the un-modded game, so the shop closes forever even without my mod
- You might have a ton of mods installed and Skyrim is very finicky about a ton of its systems... meaning it's entirely possible you just got into a situation where your computer lags a tiny bit and Papyrus (the script engine) skips lines to make up for it
- Your savegame is corrupted
- Another mod could cause an interference with my mod, meaning that removing this mod instead of mine could make mine work as intented
- etc.
Given nobody has ever reported that kind of problems and this mod has been downloaded at least 35K times, I'm inclined to believe the problem is not with this mod.[ Possible Solutions ]
There are still solutions to your problems, even if it most likely isn't caused by my mod...
If Belethor dying is causing you much troubles, then simply resurrect him with the console. I don't remember the exact command, but you should be able to easily achieve this with a Google search.
You could use another merchant, the game is full of them... I fail to see why 1 merchant dying means the mod is unplayable 🤷♂️
[ Conclusion ]
Mod authors are there to help, not to be pointed fingers at...
There are no excuses for the way your formulated your comment, you were inappropriate...
I would appreciate if you seek technical support for my mod instead of accusing it with a blank statement.
Or is that to much work, code wise?
That's not to say the suggestions aren't heard, I fully plan on integrating them when I create new mods for the next Elder Scrolls game. Or maybe the Starfield new IP if it ever come out...
Unfortunately not. My mod is stable and works just fine as it is.
Although, Bethesda modding is flexible enough to allow you to use both. Just load my mod after Adamant and you should be fine. You do lose some changes from Adamant, but it's a choice left to the user.
The same could be said from any user using a perk overhaul mod. They choose a particular mod over some other modifications, it wouldn't be realistic for modders to build patches for every mod in existence. As any other human being, we have time constraints 😅
This mod doesn't change speech leveling progress, it's really just a way to give infinite gold to merchants without triggering the gold glitch.
I don't remember if speech levels when selling stuff. But no matter if it did or not, this mod won't change the mechanic.
I fail to see how SkyUI would conflict with this mod.
This mod is entirely based on using the normal dialogue engine while SkyUI is entirely based on changing the menu appearances. They should never touch in any way, which seem valid since nobody ever reported any problem using SkyUI with this mod.
Could you be more specific to describe what actually is happening?
Make sure to include how many mods you use, when is this mod is loaded (before/after SkyUI) and your CPU/RAM (yes, it matters in Skyrim because of Papyrus). The more information the better