The CoT page http://climatesoftamriel.skyrim.modunion.com/patches/ says that ESS for CoT v3 is also compatible with CoT v5. (I assume that the IDs/names didn't change.)
I can't confirm that since I didn't swith to CoT v5 yet. But I am sure that JJC knows things better than I do !
Sidfu says that the 'chances for weathers changed. So that might have to be adjusted/forwarded, which I might do someday when I switch to CoT v5.
Will be some boring drag-and-drop work (with all the confusing patches), which I lazily avoid at the moment
ALSO BE AWARE, THAT I RARELY CHECK HERE CURRENTLY !
3.17: The CK Wiki recommends that the total of the weather chances should be 100. CoT itself doesn't follow this recommendation in many regions. Although there is no word about negative effects, I wanted to have this sorted properly at least for the 5 snowy regions covered by ESS (3 weathers in their 3 variants = 9 ), also for a better overview of the weather chances.
After lowering CoT weather chances as smooth as possible... ESS chances are now Mountains 30, Windhelm 21, Coast 21, Snow 21, Winterhold 33
All 5 regions now have a total of 100
Patches for SoS and even CoT Sounds available ! (Patches always need to be loaded after their masters.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b
( Previous v3.17 failed to forward the AMBrWindEclipseGustA sound re-introduced by JJC's new CoT DG Patch from 28 June 2014. )
This is for those 2 new CoT DG Patch updates (released by JJC on 28 June 2014) on the CoT page. Those re-insert that one DG ambient wind sound, that I once included in old alternative versions.
YOU NEED the ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG PatchADDITIONALLY to the MAIN ESS version !!!
I also provided new extra patches for the use of CoT Sounds or SoS Wilds (optional files / use instead)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EXTRA FILES INFO :
CoT - non snowy Regions Patch :
That little private ESP (with no reference to ESS) is available under Miscellaneous just for fun. It adds / sorts / increases the chances of the 3 CoT Rain Storms (grass, needles and leaves particle effects) for some regions (Whiterun, Tundra, Reach, Volcanic Tundra)
The tundra didn't feel as rough anymore as it did in CoT 2.
Expect more unfriendly weather in Whiterun and the Tundra
Remember that it requires extra patches if you use any ambient sound mods !!! Won't patch that until I start using SoS again. Skyrim has reached an age where people should start to become familiar with Tes5Edit.
JONUS made the version for the old CoT 2. He has sort of retired (after making ESS for CoT 2.1), but he is still watching (I hope). I made it compatible with 3.1 and tried to find a balance for the frequency of the chances to happen between CoT and ESS weathers. (Mostly followed Jonus' example in 2.1 and reduced CoT Blizzards.)
I understand how JONUS made the storms with the CK but I will NOT touch that part. I examined the old ESP with Tes5Edit and corrected the missing data and image space values (IDs changed from CoT 3.0 to 3.1 in the process of fixing the corrupted version and some stuff has different names). This has cost me some hairs (as you can see), but I fumbled it out.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some recommendations / hints:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unimeix has created aWeather and Ambience Overhaul Megapatch http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/55705/ Go check it out !
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recommend to use a snow flake replacer like Real_Snow_Flakes by KW71 for a much better look. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/4252/
The vanilla snowblobs are crap !
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESS is fully compatible with the CoT Winter Edition ESP ! ( ESS and CoT Winter Edition change different regions )
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always say NO during installing extra ESPs when NMM asks you during mod-installation ! (Bla bla version bla do you want to bla ... )
Still someone here? What I am supposed to use? I don't understand it. I have Climates of Tamriel (last version), Supreme storms - compatibility version, Sounds of Skyrim and all DLCs...
I just picked up Skyrim again - slowly getting back into what I did in my few mods. Especially this mod (which I just ported to CoTv3 for Jonus) and all its patches always gives me a headache after such a long time of absence. So please be patient with me
ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT 3_17 ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b is correct .
Now I will trust my own blubbering and say: Yes, the patches for the Sound mods in 'Updates' are either-or and do eliminate the need for ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b.
I am too busy with updating the mods I use for Arthmoor's Legendary Patch Edition now and playing The Division (Gear Score 216)
There are 2 files. File 2 says "Use instead of ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch" but the old patch that it is referring to actually came out a year after this one did? ******************************************** ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b RELEASED 5-10-2015 !!! DAWNGUARD required !!! fixed missing wind sound in 3 regions (coast, snow, Winterhold ) re-introduced by JJC's new CoT DG Patch / Necessary for the CoT DG Patch released by JJC on 28 June 2014. This ESP needs to be loaded after JJC's patch !!! ******************************************** ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT Sound DG Patch 7-4-2014 !!! Dawnguard and CoT Sound required !!! Necessary for the new CoT Sound DG Patch released by JJC on 28 June 2014. Use instead of ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch / Needs to be loaded after JJC's and Prod's patches !!!
So essentially on the old file it says that it replaces the new file, which of course doesn't make sense?!
Do I need all this compatibility patches if I use CoT5 (with COT-Dawnguard-Patch and COT-Dragonborn-Patch) and full SoS (with SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT and SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT)? - Patch for CoT DG Patch - Patch for CoT DG Patch with SoSw - CoT ESS SoSciv Patch - CoT ESS SoSw Patch
You have no idea about how confusing it has become for me
I stopped working on weathers long time ago and stuck my into followers. That made me forget too much. Then somebody came up with a patch for CoT 3.1 which required to expand the patch madness. I still don't dare to re-open the box of pandorra for CoT 5.
But lately I tried to bring a little order to the files and deleted old stuff.
Maybe my loadorder screenshot sheds some light on what you need from CoT and ESS and how to sort the load order. (BOSS and LOOT are the ultimate solution and should only be regarded as good advisors.)
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT Sound DG Patch !!! Dawnguard and CoT Sound required !!! Necessary for the new CoT Sound DG Patch released by JJC on 28 June 2014. Use instead of ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch / Needs to be loaded after JJC's and Prod's patches !!!
So this file is to replace ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b? If so then why is this an optional file and the previous 1 an update? If this file replaces that 1 it seems there is no reason for that file to exist? Any input is appreciated!
The explanation is in the 2nd sticky: blabla ... I also provided new extra patches for the use of CoT Sounds or SoS Wilds (optional files / use instead) ... blabla
An either-or situation depending on 'if and which' ambient sound mod you have. I shoved them into 'Updates'.
You really made my brain boil when I had to understand my own explanation
ESS 317 Patch for COT Sound DG Patch-"COT Sound required". I dont understand what COT Sound is and whether or not i have it and if this patch is needed. I'm on COT 3.1. due to Supreme Storms.
What is the deal here? You have several updates that do not make sense, there are no clear instructions on how we should install this part of the mod, I have no idea what to do beyond the main mode how can anyone? I appreciate your mods but seriously man this is confusing!
Might be hard to believe, but for me it is confusing, too since I didn't work with it for a long time. And that cost me a lot of knowledge and oversight
Now with the release of CoT 5 I would have to go through it all again and I currently really have other priorities.
Also, modders sometimes assume that users know certain things because it seems simple to the modder ( which is a mistake that I made as well )
Now, please take the time and tell me what you have ( lighting and sound mods ) and I or another nice person will try to tell you what you need and how to set it up
With the default weathers for a region already tallying up to 100%, arent you giving a very small chance for the new weathers to appear? For instance the Winterhold region has 100 listed for the chance of the default SkyrimStormSnow, the next largest chance is only 7 for any the new weathers. Even if it scales the percentage arent any of the new weathers only being applied 1/2 the time at most? I'm not sure, I'm asking, I just started looking into this because I wanted more snow on christmas :p
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The CoT page http://climatesoftamriel.skyrim.modunion.com/patches/
says that ESS for CoT v3 is also compatible with CoT v5.
(I assume that the IDs/names didn't change.)
I can't confirm that since I didn't swith to CoT v5 yet.
But I am sure that JJC knows things better than I do !
Sidfu says that the 'chances for weathers changed.
So that might have to be adjusted/forwarded,
which I might do someday when I switch to CoT v5.
Will be some boring drag-and-drop work (with all the confusing patches), which I lazily avoid at the moment
ALSO BE AWARE, THAT I RARELY CHECK HERE CURRENTLY !
UPDATE and PATCH INFO :
3.17:
The CK Wiki recommends that the total of the weather chances should be 100.
CoT itself doesn't follow this recommendation in many regions.
Although there is no word about negative effects,
I wanted to have this sorted properly at least for the 5 snowy regions covered by ESS
(3 weathers in their 3 variants = 9 ), also for a better overview of the weather chances.
CoT default is
Mountains 81, Windhelm 100, Coast 90, Snow 87, Winterhold 100
After lowering CoT weather chances as smooth as possible...
ESS chances are now
Mountains 30, Windhelm 21, Coast 21, Snow 21, Winterhold 33
All 5 regions now have a total of 100
Patches for SoS and even CoT Sounds available !
(Patches always need to be loaded after their masters.)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b
This is for those 2 new CoT DG Patch updates (released by JJC on 28 June 2014) on the CoT page.
Those re-insert that one DG ambient wind sound, that I once included in old alternative versions.
YOU NEED the ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch ADDITIONALLY to the MAIN ESS version !!!
I also provided new extra patches for the use of CoT Sounds or SoS Wilds
(optional files / use instead)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EXTRA FILES INFO :
CoT - non snowy Regions Patch :
That little private ESP (with no reference to ESS) is available under Miscellaneous just for fun.
It adds / sorts / increases the chances of the 3 CoT Rain Storms (grass, needles and leaves particle effects)
for some regions (Whiterun, Tundra, Reach, Volcanic Tundra)
The tundra didn't feel as rough anymore as it did in CoT 2.
Expect more unfriendly weather in Whiterun and the Tundra
Remember that it requires extra patches if you use any ambient sound mods !!!
Won't patch that until I start using SoS again.
Skyrim has reached an age where people should start to become familiar with Tes5Edit.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(fmi: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/853929-expanded-snow-systems-climates-of-tamriel-version/page-13)
JONUS made the version for the old CoT 2.
He has sort of retired (after making ESS for CoT 2.1), but he is still watching (I hope).
I made it compatible with 3.1 and tried to find a balance for the frequency of the chances to happen between CoT and ESS weathers.
(Mostly followed Jonus' example in 2.1 and reduced CoT Blizzards.)
I understand how JONUS made the storms with the CK but I will NOT touch that part.
I examined the old ESP with Tes5Edit and corrected the missing data and image space values (IDs changed from CoT 3.0 to 3.1 in the process of fixing the corrupted version and some stuff has different names).
This has cost me some hairs (as you can see), but I fumbled it out.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some recommendations / hints:
"CoT blinding bright sky / giant sun" bug:
Saerileth offers a PATCH (for the CoT snowy weathers and ESS) here:
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/42089/
now included here in the CoT Weather Patch:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/39799/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unimeix has created a Weather and Ambience Overhaul Megapatch
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/55705/
Go check it out !
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I recommend to use a snow flake replacer like
Real_Snow_Flakes by KW71 for a much better look.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/4252/
The vanilla snowblobs are crap !
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ESS is fully compatible with the CoT Winter Edition ESP !
( ESS and CoT Winter Edition change different regions )
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always say NO during installing extra ESPs when NMM asks you during mod-installation !
(Bla bla version bla do you want to bla ... )
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(fmi: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/853929-expanded-snow-systems-climates-of-tamriel-version/page-5)
ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT 3_17
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b
What about
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT Sound DG Patch
Does 3.17b patch eliminate the need for this or is it needed as well?
Especially this mod (which I just ported to CoTv3 for Jonus) and all its patches
always gives me a headache after such a long time of absence.
So please be patient with me
ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT 3_17
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b
is correct .
Now I will trust my own blubbering and say:
Yes, the patches for the Sound mods in 'Updates' are either-or
and do eliminate the need for ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b.
I am too busy with updating the mods I use for Arthmoor's Legendary Patch Edition now
and playing The Division (Gear Score 216)
********************************************
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b RELEASED 5-10-2015
!!! DAWNGUARD required !!! fixed missing wind sound in 3 regions (coast, snow, Winterhold ) re-introduced by JJC's new CoT DG Patch / Necessary for the CoT DG Patch released by JJC on 28 June 2014. This ESP needs to be loaded after JJC's patch !!!
********************************************
ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT Sound DG Patch 7-4-2014
!!! Dawnguard and CoT Sound required !!! Necessary for the new CoT Sound DG Patch released by JJC on 28 June 2014. Use instead of ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch / Needs to be loaded after JJC's and Prod's patches !!!
So essentially on the old file it says that it replaces the new file, which of course doesn't make sense?!
- Patch for CoT DG Patch
- Patch for CoT DG Patch with SoSw
- CoT ESS SoSciv Patch
- CoT ESS SoSw Patch
Just a heads up.
Other than that I'm satisfied.
I stopped working on weathers long time ago and stuck my into followers.
That made me forget too much.
Then somebody came up with a patch for CoT 3.1 which required to expand the patch madness.
I still don't dare to re-open the box of pandorra for CoT 5.
But lately I tried to bring a little order to the files and deleted old stuff.
Maybe my loadorder screenshot sheds some light on what you need from CoT and ESS and how to sort the load order.
(BOSS and LOOT are the ultimate solution and should only be regarded as good advisors.)
!!! Dawnguard and CoT Sound required !!! Necessary for the new CoT Sound DG Patch released by JJC on 28 June 2014. Use instead of ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch / Needs to be loaded after JJC's and Prod's patches !!!
So this file is to replace ESS 3_17 Patch for CoT DG Patch v3.17b?
If so then why is this an optional file and the previous 1 an update? If this file replaces that 1 it seems there is no reason for that file to exist?
Any input is appreciated!
The explanation is in the 2nd sticky:
blabla ... I also provided new extra patches for the use of CoT Sounds or SoS Wilds
(optional files / use instead) ... blabla
An either-or situation depending on 'if and which' ambient sound mod you have.
I shoved them into 'Updates'.
You really made my brain boil when I had to understand my own explanation
Similar to Sounds Of Skyrim - The Wilds (which seems to be used by far more people.
since I didn't work with it for a long time.
And that cost me a lot of knowledge and oversight
Now with the release of CoT 5 I would have to go through it all again and I currently really have other priorities.
Also, modders sometimes assume that users know certain things because it seems simple to the modder ( which is a mistake that I made as well )
Now, please take the time and tell me what you have ( lighting and sound mods ) and I or another nice person will try to tell you what you need and how to set it up
I am glad that there are some people who try to understand how stuff works in Skyrim