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  1. readyfready
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    I am a sucker for your Images, Bernt. This one says it all. You never do images without purpose !!

    !::! Fred
    1. Bernt
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      Thanks a lot Fred Well - in this specific case you are right. I needed the pictures to fit a specific purpose
    2. readyfready
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      You are clever. Admit it !!

      !::! Fred
  2. M48A5
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    It would defiantly be the younger people that would want to leave the vault.  The older generation would have become adjusted to the way things are and would have resigned themselves to the status quo.  So, it would be more likely that the BOS recruits and the recently trained people would what to see what life outside was like.  But, of course, that would depend on how effective the indoctrination programs were.  If you tell someone a lie often enough, they will begin to accept it as the truth.
    1. Bernt
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      Thanks a lot M48 Yes indeed. Many variables are in play here. And not least your last sentence is so very true.
  3. JimboUK
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    If I had to pick just one I'd go with the young, they tend to be rebellious.
    1. Bernt
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      As others have said too. Hmm..... Thank you for your input Jim. I appreciate it  
  4. Karna5
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    I think one of the beauties of the bunker life concept is that those who live their whole lives in a bunker are indoctrinated to believe it's the best and possibly only life, so the odds of them deciding they want to leave the bunker is small.

    Ironically, the armored knights are the ones who get to leave the bunker and explore the world. They're possibly the only ones who might experience first hand that there's the possibility of another life outside the bunker. So the knights, though they're the top of their sect and have the most power and rank., possibly have the best chance of being lured away. On a related note to that, the Fallout TV series last year captured that idea well.

    Knights aside, though, I think the group you labelled as unskilled is by far the most likely to dream of a better life. They're brought up in that society from youth to adult, and they weren't taught skills, weren't given opportunities for advancement, weren't treated with as much respect as every other caste in the bunker and were relegated to menial duties.

    So as a group, I would set the percentage of them dreaming of a better life being 95% with knights and scribes maybe the remaining 5%.

    On side note, your images are wonderful :)
    1. etholas
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      I'm inclined to agree. The 'unskilled' are usually the least appreciated and most mistreated because they are taken for granted and have no other choice.
    2. Bernt
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      Thank you very much Karna and Etholas I'm not runnign with percentages quite as high as that. But the overall idea still makes sense
  5. theeggman99
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    Tough call.  So many variables at work there - the quality of life in a society, the current leadership, any internal or external stressors that may be felt.  The political theorist Ted Gurr would ask about the "relative deprivation" within society - i.e., it doesn't matter how good you have it, but if you think that others have it better, you're unhappy.

    Not sure if this helps, but in situations I can think of where I've been a leader or a manager, I could generally break the team into thirds - 1/3 were happy to be part of the team and the mission and would work towards a worthy goal without prodding; 1/3 were apathetic, but would go along; the last 1/3 had to be prodded to do anything because they had their own agenda and/or were lazy.  The things mentioned above (quality (or even the attitude) of the leadership, environmental stress, etc.) would move those numbers up or down.  

    I think you've done a great job of your characters expressing why they wanted to leave or stay, btw.  
    1. Bernt
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      Thank you very much Eggman I've already done some numbers. But this post causes me to rethink some of them. It's muddled to say the least  
  6. Auslander66
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    All three, but using drones whilst in a bunker.
    1. Bernt
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      Thanks Aussie
  7. cormell
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    Teenagers are always rebellious. Maybe not ready to leave the nest, not necessarily, but definitely ready to rail and b-itch against the "system."
    1. Bernt
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      Tnank you Laird This is starting to go in all directions. But it defintely makes me think - which was the whole purpsoe of this post  
  8. 0nelazyBattlemaga
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    I believe the ones who go on missions outside would be least likely to want to break away. For what it is worth.
    1. Bernt
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      Thank you very much OLBM I believe you are right. They, at least, have something worthwhile to do.
  9. Brigand231
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    Perhaps an oversimplification, but to my mind it's as easy as "who does this arrangement benefit?"  Those that benefit want to perpetuate the system, those that do not want change.

    I think you've already summed it up in the last entry, the scribes are probably bored to pieces with a sort of limit on things for them to dissect and pore over.  They may have their needs met, but aside from folks who are content to be maintenance workers (in chapters that actually allow them to perform those tasks - in some chapters the knights do all the labor) with zero prospect for promotion or advancement, they're probably not content to live out a pointless existence where every day is the same as the last.

    I suspect it's mostly the same for the casteless unless someone comes up with a leisure activity that everyone can enjoy, maybe give everyone a PC terminal and start making video games?  I doubt the establishment would allow that, they'd likely be just as unwilling to let someone read books or something every day instead of contributing to the community despite the lack of actual jobs available.  The closest analog we have is Vault 101 in Fallout 3, but without the GOAT.  I know for sure that Butch probably wouldn't be allowed to be a barber if Vault 101 was a Brotherhood facility.

    Knights could go either way, depending on the chapter.  In chapters where scribes do the physical labor knights are likely to see a lot of combat and may feel fulfilled in their duties IF they believe in the cause being fought for and their lives aren't being thrown away.  In chapters where knights are the physical laborers, some would be content to live a safe existence but I suspect that just like the casteless, they would soon become bored with routine monotony.

    Paladins would be much like militant knights, as long as they have faith in their cause they would likely be happy being at the top of the food chain if they don't get bored.
    1. Bernt
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      Thank you very much Brigand I was actually thinking the knights would be the most eager to leave - in this specific case with no more tech coming in. And not much repair going on either as the paladins are not subject to combat anymore. But I see your point with the scribes and the casteless. Hmm..... Maybe I should rethink the numbers.
    2. Brigand231
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      I guess there is a case to be made for people who are too afraid of the unknown as well, people who are afraid to leave a bad situation because they fear the alternative.  Our world is full of abuse victims who downplay their abuse because they think it's easier/better than facing life on their own.
  10. Helos743
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    I wonder how they handle disabled cases? Like people who are born mentally or physically unable to preform the tasks of a regular person, do they provide any kind of financial aid or are the weak links simply cast out to fend for themselves?
    1. Bernt
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      Thank you very much Helos :) That is something I am pondering myself. It is a very good question indeed. I balk at the thought of them simply killing their newborn; or leaving their disabled - stroke, combat or whatever- (not to mention mentally challenged) to fend for themselves outside the bunker. I have not been able to find anything on it lore vise.