First of all, thanks for all your replies - it motivates me to go on with development of this mod. Second, I read every comment and considered all of your ideas, even if I haven't replied to your particular post.
I want to share my ideas for future releases and would love to hear your feedback on it: 1. An additional bonus for VIGOR: increase gained moral (default: 5% per attribute) 2. An additional bonus for CONTROL: decrease lost moral (default: 5% per attribute) 3. An additional bonus for ENDURANCE: after battle set your hitpoints to X% from what you had before it, doesn't lower your HP obviously:) (default: 2.5% per attribute) 4. An additional bonus for VIGOR, CONTROL and ENDURANCE: XP multiplier for respective troops: VIGOR: all melee troops e.g. Infantry, Cavalry (default: 5%) CONTROL: all range troops e.g. Archers, Horse Archers (default: 5%) ENDURANCE: all troops (default: 2.5%) 5. An additional bonuses for SOCIAL: a) get renown each time you met a new character default (1 per attribute) b) increase all gained renown and influence (+2.5% per attribute) This bonuses also will be affected by option that includes SOCIAL of party members (default: true) 6. Add option to include INTELLIGENCE of party members for income increase and expenses decrease (default: true) 7. Add option for maximum expenses decrease (default: 75%, which still seems to be hardly reachable with default settings) 8. Add option to calculate bonuses for attributes starting from 3, so attributes with the default value of 2 won't provide them, which seems to be logical (default: true) 9. It isn't the fault of my mod, but since some of you faced problems with light-speed attacks: I'll add hard-cap for the maximum attack speed bonus to ensure that fastest sword always can deal damage (it should also fix situations with OneHanded perks on 300+ skill level)
What do you think about such a roadmap for the current future?
P.S. I also think about mod that provides injuries after being killed in battle. And injuries would affect your attributes (even lowering them to zero). But such mod will have to save data which makes it not safe-to-remove in the midgame. Will it be a good addition for "Attributes Reloaded"?
1. YES 2.YES 3.YES 4. sounds great and makes sense! 5. Both sounds good add both. But if you must choose (A) makes the most sense. 6. hum... I like it because companions just don't do enough in this game as is, but I am not sure it works. As the saying goes anything with more than one head is a monster. 7. defiantly if you add 6. But like you said not easy to reach so it can wait to last :) 8. NO. it will make Tie 1 troops extreeeemly weak compared to everyone else. 9. Yes
10/PS. NO. game is hard as is and sitting around for my char to heal sucks. Not being able to do anything with him/her due to a wound would just kill the game long term.
1. Yes, but 5% default might be to much ... testing needed. 2. Yes, and same as above. 3. I don't like this one, but having it as an option, could never hurt. If skilled in combat, this would mean close to inhuman amount of arrows and throwing axes stuck to your body, with you still running around like nothing ever happened, later in the game ... but again, if people want it, let them have it. 4. Yes please. But I still think the default values is to high. 5. Option B, sounds to me like the most balanced. 6. Oh yeah, that would be great. Companions ...even with other mods, is still not valued enough in this game. Giving people the this option adds variety to both more companions and playing around with their stats. 7. Make sense with number 6 in mind. 8. My first thought was no, but I would not mind to have it as an experiment, but I can't tell before I have tried it. It might screw with the balance of the battles more then you think. But I'm not sure. 9. Haven't had this problem, but a hard cap might be a good idea ... at some point, attack speed seem to be ... ridicules near end game.
PS. I really like the injuries idea, specially if you could make this happen to companions and lords too in the long run, but I think you should make that a separated/optional mod if possible.
Overall, I like what you have in mind for the future, and I look forward to the updates to come. My new save, do feel different with this one installed. The combat is more .... rewarding.
Edit: I general, I think the default values is too high, also the current implanted. My character reach "end game attributes" before I'm anywhere near the real end game. Personally, am I down 2/3 the values in most of the options, and that seems more balanced to me, and still rewarding from actually engaging in the combat, tactics, charming people etc. etc. then just hitting F6, or hitting the same dialogue each time.
@LMDother Thak you for good words:) As I said it motivates me to go on. 5. I actually planned to add both options;) 8. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how it accountably differs from what we have now with my mod. Since with this option on ALL troops will have attributes bonuses lower for 2 points. So the difference will stay almost the same as it is now. The only reason to include it is a plan for creating Injuries mod. 10. Talking about Injuries mod - I have no intention to force the player to sit waiting for heal. Your character will be fully playable, just less effective if you lost a battle or received huge damage.
@RellomQ thanks for your support. 5. It was intended to have both:) But do you think that it might be a problem if both are included? 8. Yes, obviously it needs more testing:) But I don't have so many testers as TaleWorlds, so I'll add it as an option, hoping that you and others will provide me with feedback;)
Regarding Injuries - yes it is planned as a separate mod that plays well with this one. The biggest issue with it is that it needs to save data in your savegame, so removing it will break your savegame files:(
Regarding balance - you might be right, but different players want different experiences, especially in terms of challenge. So options are provided to provide an ability for fine-tuning mod effect on your gameplay. But I'm still looking for balance, even though I don't have too much time for testing and can rely only on my personal experience which might differ from somebody's else.
You are welcome. I can only contribute to testing, my knowledge of modding and coding is rather non existing, so thanks for doing the heavy lifting.
About 5. I'm guessing, that having the option to disable/enable both, is in the cards. So like you say, different players, want different things. Applying this school of thought to this as well, if you can make it so. 8. I'm all for testing ... doing a lot of that, and this feature, is the one concerning me the most, but again ..different players/different things.
Personally, am I not worried about breaking my saved games. I do a lot of testing before implanting new or updated mods into my "real" save. I got plenty of those mods already, and I must say, this injury idea, would work really well with other mods and can be expanded upon ... maybe even adding bandages to items both in and out of combat, dyeing from injuries later on if it was severe enough, could be funny, but I think that is a bit down the line, when we know how much trouble other modders got with dying main heroes in the current state, the game is in. But it could possibly be implant for companions/lords/soldiers and so on, a lot more easy. And that, is something that would be cool, and very realistic.
What about field medics, using the current medic system and expanding on it ... if above x attribute in MED and INT, hero/companion/lord can rescue injured with x% possibility when in a radius of X. I mean, its all up to you and the other modders and the time you have, but the possibilities down the line, is not only awesome but also increasing with TW working on their engine and development.
Looks good so far. I wanted to address the configuration bloat you mentioned in another post. I haven't modded with MCM yet, but would it be possible to reduce that by using config files? The MCM could have 5 generic functions for each attribute. The configuration file lets you choose the effect function you apply to your own configured attribute. ex. Vigor.function1 = someid that corresponds to a function within the mod, lets anyone choose which effects they want. I would still prefer to customize my own attribute effects to my own liking without having to create an entirely new mod altogether. One framework to let people work with, what do you think about making Attributes Reloaded into some kind of framework for attribute effects?
Another thing is compatibility with other mods, xp modifiers/renown modifiers might conflict if bannerlord tweaks patches them. Not sure if harmony lets you patch on top of patches or how that works. Maybe something like fastreflect could overcome that limitation if there is one.
Ad. 9 Problem with Agent Smith attacks is that TW messed up WayOfTheSword/GreatAxe perks. Instead of AddFactor as in tooltip they used Add so to basic speed modifier of .93 they add .02 per level (more than 2%!!). Thats the issue. There are mods thats fix this
I recompiled this on 1.5.5 though the increased renown feature when talking to hero can only be triggered when you're using the talk button not quick talk(still trying to figure this out help me out please ><)
other features work fine though, fortunately. Requires MCM and it's requirements I haven't tested on 1.5.6, If you do please tell me if it works or not.
here ya go! https://www.mediafire.com/file/bpjbp5am52md87o/AttributesReloaded.zip/file
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Second, I read every comment and considered all of your ideas, even if I haven't replied to your particular post.
I want to share my ideas for future releases and would love to hear your feedback on it:
1. An additional bonus for VIGOR: increase gained moral (default: 5% per attribute)
2. An additional bonus for CONTROL: decrease lost moral (default: 5% per attribute)
3. An additional bonus for ENDURANCE: after battle set your hitpoints to X% from what you had before it, doesn't lower your HP obviously:) (default: 2.5% per attribute)
4. An additional bonus for VIGOR, CONTROL and ENDURANCE: XP multiplier for respective troops:
VIGOR: all melee troops e.g. Infantry, Cavalry (default: 5%)
CONTROL: all range troops e.g. Archers, Horse Archers (default: 5%)
ENDURANCE: all troops (default: 2.5%)
5. An additional bonuses for SOCIAL:
a) get renown each time you met a new character default (1 per attribute)
b) increase all gained renown and influence (+2.5% per attribute)
This bonuses also will be affected by option that includes SOCIAL of party members (default: true)
6. Add option to include INTELLIGENCE of party members for income increase and expenses decrease (default: true)
7. Add option for maximum expenses decrease (default: 75%, which still seems to be hardly reachable with default settings)
8. Add option to calculate bonuses for attributes starting from 3, so attributes with the default value of 2 won't provide them, which seems to be logical (default: true)
9. It isn't the fault of my mod, but since some of you faced problems with light-speed attacks: I'll add hard-cap for the maximum attack speed bonus to ensure that fastest sword always can deal damage (it should also fix situations with OneHanded perks on 300+ skill level)
What do you think about such a roadmap for the current future?
P.S.
I also think about mod that provides injuries after being killed in battle. And injuries would affect your attributes (even lowering them to zero). But such mod will have to save data which makes it not safe-to-remove in the midgame. Will it be a good addition for "Attributes Reloaded"?
2.YES
3.YES
4. sounds great and makes sense!
5. Both sounds good add both. But if you must choose (A) makes the most sense.
6. hum... I like it because companions just don't do enough in this game as is, but I am not sure it works. As the saying goes anything with more than one head is a monster.
7. defiantly if you add 6. But like you said not easy to reach so it can wait to last :)
8. NO. it will make Tie 1 troops extreeeemly weak compared to everyone else.
9. Yes
10/PS. NO. game is hard as is and sitting around for my char to heal sucks. Not being able to do anything with him/her due to a wound would just kill the game long term.
Love the mod keep the good work up LOVE the mod
2. Yes, and same as above.
3. I don't like this one, but having it as an option, could never hurt. If skilled in combat, this would mean close to inhuman amount of arrows and throwing axes stuck to your body, with you still running around like nothing ever happened, later in the game ... but again, if people want it, let them have it.
4. Yes please. But I still think the default values is to high.
5. Option B, sounds to me like the most balanced.
6. Oh yeah, that would be great. Companions ...even with other mods, is still not valued enough in this game. Giving people the this option adds variety to both more companions and playing around with their stats.
7. Make sense with number 6 in mind.
8. My first thought was no, but I would not mind to have it as an experiment, but I can't tell before I have tried it. It might screw with the balance of the battles more then you think. But I'm not sure.
9. Haven't had this problem, but a hard cap might be a good idea ... at some point, attack speed seem to be ... ridicules near end game.
PS. I really like the injuries idea, specially if you could make this happen to companions and lords too in the long run, but I think you should make that a separated/optional mod if possible.
Overall, I like what you have in mind for the future, and I look forward to the updates to come. My new save, do feel different with this one installed. The combat is more .... rewarding.
Edit: I general, I think the default values is too high, also the current implanted. My character reach "end game attributes" before I'm anywhere near the real end game. Personally, am I down 2/3 the values in most of the options, and that seems more balanced to me, and still rewarding from actually engaging in the combat, tactics, charming people etc. etc. then just hitting F6, or hitting the same dialogue each time.
5. I actually planned to add both options;)
8. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how it accountably differs from what we have now with my mod. Since with this option on ALL troops will have attributes bonuses lower for 2 points. So the difference will stay almost the same as it is now. The only reason to include it is a plan for creating Injuries mod.
10. Talking about Injuries mod - I have no intention to force the player to sit waiting for heal. Your character will be fully playable, just less effective if you lost a battle or received huge damage.
5. It was intended to have both:) But do you think that it might be a problem if both are included?
8. Yes, obviously it needs more testing:) But I don't have so many testers as TaleWorlds, so I'll add it as an option, hoping that you and others will provide me with feedback;)
Regarding Injuries - yes it is planned as a separate mod that plays well with this one. The biggest issue with it is that it needs to save data in your savegame, so removing it will break your savegame files:(
Regarding balance - you might be right, but different players want different experiences, especially in terms of challenge. So options are provided to provide an ability for fine-tuning mod effect on your gameplay. But I'm still looking for balance, even though I don't have too much time for testing and can rely only on my personal experience which might differ from somebody's else.
About 5. I'm guessing, that having the option to disable/enable both, is in the cards. So like you say, different players, want different things. Applying this school of thought to this as well, if you can make it so.
8. I'm all for testing ... doing a lot of that, and this feature, is the one concerning me the most, but again ..different players/different things.
Personally, am I not worried about breaking my saved games. I do a lot of testing before implanting new or updated mods into my "real" save. I got plenty of those mods already, and I must say, this injury idea, would work really well with other mods and can be expanded upon ... maybe even adding bandages to items both in and out of combat, dyeing from injuries later on if it was severe enough, could be funny, but I think that is a bit down the line, when we know how much trouble other modders got with dying main heroes in the current state, the game is in. But it could possibly be implant for companions/lords/soldiers and so on, a lot more easy. And that, is something that would be cool, and very realistic.
What about field medics, using the current medic system and expanding on it ... if above x attribute in MED and INT, hero/companion/lord can rescue injured with x% possibility when in a radius of X. I mean, its all up to you and the other modders and the time you have, but the possibilities down the line, is not only awesome but also increasing with TW working on their engine and development.
I would still prefer to customize my own attribute effects to my own liking without having to create an entirely new mod altogether. One framework to let people work with, what do you think about making Attributes Reloaded into some kind of framework for attribute effects?
Another thing is compatibility with other mods, xp modifiers/renown modifiers might conflict if bannerlord tweaks patches them. Not sure if harmony lets you patch on top of patches or how that works. Maybe something like fastreflect could overcome that limitation if there is one.
Thanks
O, you can use this instead:
https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/3434
other features work fine though, fortunately.
Requires MCM and it's requirements
I haven't tested on 1.5.6, If you do please tell me if it works or not.
here ya go!
https://www.mediafire.com/file/bpjbp5am52md87o/AttributesReloaded.zip/file
I would want to have you in my game, but since you are dead I'll settle for dancing on your grave instead!
CalculateClanExpenses(TaleWorlds.CampaignSystem.Clan clan, TaleWorlds.CampaignSystem.ExplainedNumber& goldChange, System.Boolean applyWithdrawals)