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New Vegas got Mormonism right says Mormon gamer

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Fifth-generation Mormon, Skip Cameron, has an article on Kotaku talking about how Fallout New Vegas portrays his faith.

He notes that it was "sympathetic and respectful" instead of the "unflattering and even disrespectful" approach that is seen in other media. He also shows how deep some of the research that Obsidian took was, and provides some interesting information on Mormon NPCs.

While the name Nephi will not likely carry any significance to anyone outside Utah or the Mormon Church, to those in the Church Nephi is the first author of The Book of Mormon. For Fallout players, however, Nephi is one of the three fiend leaders that NCR Major Dhatri asks The Courier to kill in the Three-Card Bounty quest.

Bert Gunnarsson, on the other hand, is a ghoul medic and Mormon working with the Followers of the Apocalypse. He can be found helping NCR Captain Parker care for the poor and needy of New Vegas at the Aerotech Office Park.

If you speak to Gunnarsson he reveals that he is ministering to the poor and needy of New Vegas and that he has some medical training from the Followers. However, the GECK (mod tool) reveals a number of lines of unused dialogue that more fully flesh out his character. In one of Bert's lines he explains that in the Church people call him "Elder Gunnarsson," the title borne by full-time missionaries of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, implying that Bert is a Mormon missionary.

Also cut from the final game was an option that allowed The Courier to ask Bert what brought him out of Utah, to which he replies, "Following a lost cause, I'm afraid. My old friend Nephi fell in with a bad crowd. Drug runners, raiders, probably worse things it's better not to dwell on. When his gang headed west, I followed. I thought perhaps I could turn him back to the Church." This obviously implies that the golf-club wielding fiend Driver Nephi is also a Mormon, albeit a seriously lapsed one.

Again, I find much to appreciate in these two characters and their stories. First of all, Bert Gunnarsson is a Swedish name. Scandanavia was the second most successful foreign mission in the early days of the Mormon church with 23,000 Scandanavian converts emigrating to Utah between 1852 and 1905. Consequently, Elder Gunnarsson may be a seventh- or eighth-generation Mormon, his ancestors perhaps dating back to those early Swedish converts. Did Obsidian know this historical tid-bit? I don't know, but their research into Mormonism so far seems to reflect a much deeper level of effort than is typically evidenced in entertainment media, so maybe they did.


Read the full thing at Kotaku.

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  1. gir489
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    The whole religion is a joke.
     
    http://youtu.be/2Gm6JYFdnD8
  2. GenaTrius
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    I'm a horrible grumpy atheist who doesn't like evangelistic religions in general, and I'm also satisfied with the portrayal of Mormons in New Vegas. It would seem that they got them pretty accurate, including everything that proponents like about them, and everything that opponents hate. That is quite a feat.
    1. TupeloMan
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      whats to hate?
    2. GenaTrius
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      Sorry, I'm not going to go into what I dislike about Mormonism here, particularly because it has to do with what I dislike about Christianity in general.
    3. MInorWinger115
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      I really don't understand why there is hate for Christianity or Mormonism. They aren't like they once were. Sure there are hardcore religion lovers, but most (including me) are normal. I don't try to force my religion on others. It is your choice to believe what you want. I don't hate atheist, but many seem to hate my religion. Even if you don't agree with some Christians, doesn't mean you should hate all of them. The only that really angers me is atheist that hate Christianity and Christians. It doesn't really make sense to me. Maybe it does to you but I'm not you.
    4. Diyos
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      I find your lack of faith disturbing
    5. demented737
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      I find your lack of doughnuts disturbing. You see how pointless that was. Exactly.
    6. Deadredskittle
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      I find faith disturbing. Period
    7. Schilcote
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      Winger: Ooh. Good to see someone who has the same ideas as myself on this whole thing. Funny how they condemn Christianity for proporting hate (which it does not, just because certain Christians do doesn't invalidate the entire movement), when they have such vitriol for anyone who doesn't think exactly the same way they do.
    8. bazza013
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      I dont hate any religions, but one thing i dont get about christianity is this.. If god is so loving and caring and loves all people equally and so created them all equally, why is one kid born into a family which sets him/her up with a trust fund and gives them a good life where they basically gets everything they want, where one kid is born in the slums of a 3rd world country and basically starves all their life.
      And since at death, you either go to heaven or hell for eternity. What happens to a baby when it dies? If it goes to heaven, then thats a pretty darn easy way to get into heaven dont you think? and if it goes to hell, its reallyyyyyy unfair because it didnt do anything yet.
    9. AlexanderKenneth
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      A child cannot understand the concept of sin, they cannot understand that what they do is wrong. Only when one understands the distinction between right and wrong, yet continues to do wrong, does one go to hell. This is why Adam and Eve were not bothered by being naked in the Garden of Eden (initially). Therefore, babies and children who are too young to understand (even those with defects that prevent such cognitive understanding) go to heaven.

      I'm going to answer this before someone asks. As for the Native Americans, 16th century philosophers believed that any native who yearned and actively searched for the truth, but could not find it (The Atlantic tended to get in the way of Native American philosophers wanting to talk with European ones), would be allowed into heaven. Again, they could not understand right and wrong if they are never told.

      Example: Two children (4 or 5 years old) grow up and somehow survive on an island in the middle of the pacific. If they ended up having sex (outside the sanctity of marriage), lying to each other, or even killing one another, they would be excused. They didn't and couldn't know.

      This may just be balogne to try and make themselves feel better, and I don't know the modern explanation, but that is what I know.
    10. MInorWinger115
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      @Schilcote: I feel like I have met just as many Atheist as I have Christians that get upset because you believe differently than them. I have Atheist friends and Christian ones, but they don't get mad at me or each other over religion. Personally I think everyone should just keep their religious views to themselves unless they are speaking to others with their sames views (ex. Church).

      @bazza013: Religion isn't needed to answer your first question. Where you are born and under what conditions should not dictate how your life turns out. There are individuals born in a rich household with everything given to them and they turn out as failures. On the other hand there are people in 3rd world countries that grow up to lead mass movements in their homeland, helping millions.
    11. Pronto5353
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      What's to hate about Christianity? Are you joking? They try to condemn gay marriage because "Jesus said it was wrong", even though he didn't, in the Bible it says that, but it doesn't say Jesus said it. Well, the Bible also condemns eating Shellfish, wearing clothes woven of different fabrics, and shaving. Where are the rallies against lobsters and razors? No where. FYI, the Mormons didn't allow black people to enter their churches until 1972, and say that dark skin is a curse from Satan that can be cured (in other words, you'll turn white) through prayer.
    12. Zachsparrow
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      SHUT UP THE LOT OF YOU! I'm an atheist myself, but there is no reason to be dickheads about it. Same goes for the religious. Shut yer yaps and let people believe what you don't, or not believe in what you do! Alright!? Good!
  3. FiftyTifty
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    Magic underwear.

    All I'm saying.
    1. Improvman
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      The sacred garments are not magic. They are a Symbol of an oath and covenant that is made to the lord. And remind the wearer of the Lord's promise of protection.
    2. Mullett
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      the lords promise to cover your balls?
    3. SysKonfig
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      The Lord has my ass covered yo!
    4. liamnirvana
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      LOL xD
  4. FiftyTifty
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    In response to post #7594557.
     

    The sacred garments are not magic. They are a Symbol of an oath and covenant that is made to the lord. And remind the wearer of the Lord's promise of protection.

    And they protect the wearer from fire.
     
    Sounds like magic underwear if you ask me.
  5. johnydeath18
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    To paraphrase QuilledMind:

    "Mormonism should absolutely be targeted for mockery, the same as any religion and any ideology that promotes racism, homophobia, oppression of women, and extraordinary claims that aren't backed by evidence. Mormonism has direct scripture that pushes racism.

    I find it sad when religion is portrayed as a positive and righteous thing in video games, aligned with altruism, which couldn't be farther from the truth...it is impossible to do good for good's sake when also being commanded by your god to do good in the name of god."
    1. SaturnVII
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      Tell your friend he failed his philosophy class and to just get over it. Speaking simply, God and goodness could very well be synonymous, one and the same. I think that most of us could agree that whether or not you agree with our good Christian friends, they most certainly aren't bad people, or even ill-willed and that regardless, one following a religion does not mean they observe it verbatim.


      On the note of the game, I too was happy to meet some good Christian people in Fallout. It was quite the relief from the many other characters of lesser morale, but Fallout is very good at making a nice variety of characters.
    2. aeron245
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      True, those two COULD be the same, or at least tied together, but is being good for fear of punishment by an almighty child with a magnifying glass as noble as being good out of genuine empathy towards other people? Aristotle said "I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law." I agree with johnydeath18 and Aristotle in that respect.
  6. Breanna138
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    Bethesda wants to convert us to Mormons.
    Its happening again....
    1. sycoeman
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      run to the hills there here
  7. SkipCameron
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    Author here: I'm so glad to see my article cross posted here! Thanks Lingwei for sharing it with the Nexus community. I love this site and am so amazed by the work that this community does. You modders really do amaze me and I wanted to be sure to take this moment of publicity to thank you all for your fantastic work! You make these games so much more than they would be otherwise and I am continually impressed and delighted with what the community comes up with and makes available for others to enjoy. Despite what some cynical critics over on the Kotaku forums would have you believe, this article was not at all meant to proselytize Mormonism; I was originally just going to send it to Obsidian as a letter of appreciation until my friend/editor suggested publishing it online to share with a broader audience. My whole purpose in doing so was to have it renew interest in the wonderful world of the Mojave wasteland, as well as increase awareness of the exceptional attention to detail and professionalism exhibited by Obsidian in the research that went into crafting their world, specifically from a viewpoint most players were probably unfamiliar with (i.e. the Mormon viewpoint). In any case, thank you all for your overwhelmingly kind and thoughtful comments and I appreciate you and the Nexus taking the time to read and share my article.
  8. DangerasTM
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    I read this guy what a pretentious hack
    1. SkipCameron
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      Please be more specific.
  9. Duster45
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    Interesting read - learned some new things... I am glad to see that we have fewer haters here than Kotaku seems to have.
    1. PipNich
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      nexus if very quick with the ban-hammer. No telling how many haters have been whacked.
    2. SkipCameron
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      Author here: I am also very refreshed 1) to see my article cross-posted here (Yay! Thanks Nexus!) and 2) to see such nice and constructive comments. I knew the Kotaku comments would be brutal, but I was still surprised with how carried away ragetantrum people got. But I was also very pleasantly surprised to see how many other people stuck their necks out to stick up for me and for civilized conversation in general.
  10. dragoon2k
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    i'm a non practicing mormon and don't even try to turn me back but ever thought maybe a few of the game designers were mormon?
    1. SkipCameron
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      Author here: I don't think any of the designers are Mormon but there are a few quotes from Josh Sawyer, project lead on New Vegas, who talks about the unique role the Mormons played in the settlement and evolution of the Western US. I got the vibe that he basically felt that you can't tell the story of the American West and ignore the Mormons. I wrote the piece basically in appreciation of the unusual amount of research and homework they did on Mormonism historically and otherwise and how relatively nuanced and complex their portrayal was. Of course, he explains how the Mountain Meadows Massacre--certainly the darkest chapter of Mormon history--was part of his inspiration for Honest Hearts, but also the Utah War, where the Federal government sent Johnston's Army to Utah to put down a non-existent Mormon insurrection. In short, I don't believe any of the designers are Mormon, but that makes it all the more remarkable that they did the good work that they did when they had no personal vested interest in doing so beyond their professional integrity. I think that speaks very highly of them.