Vortex Alpha Release

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Hello everyone,

For over a year now we've been working on a mod manager to replace the ailing Nexus Mod Manager. The premise was simple, attempt to combine the simplicity of the Nexus Mod Manager with the advanced functionality of Mod Organizer and create something that is accessible to all types of modders. Back in May of 2017 we named this replacement "Vortex".

A couple of weeks ago we did a limited Alpha release of Vortex to 1,000 users, many of whom have been extremely helpful in posting bugs and feedback for us to work from. As a result of this feedback, Tannin has released four new updated versions of Vortex since the initial release two weeks ago. These have included fixes for a number of bugs and some updates to the functionality. I want to thank those of you who used the software extensively and posted bugs via the feedback system within Vortex, like we requested. Your help has been extremely useful to us during this process.

We're now ready to open up the Vortex Alpha to anyone who wants to give it a go.

Before you jump in head first, I implore you to fully understand what "Alpha" means, what state Vortex is in, and whether Vortex is currently right for you.


What is Alpha software?

To save you a Google search, here's the first result for a description of Alpha software:

Alpha software is computer software that is still in the early testing phase. It is functional enough to be used, but is unpolished and often lacks many of the features that will be included in the final version of the program. The "alpha phase" of software development follows the early programming and design stages, but precedes the "beta phase" in which the software closely resembles the final version.

Since the alpha phase is an early part of the software development cycle, alpha software typically includes significant bugs and usability issues.


It's important we adequately warn you of the state of Vortex (as we are, right now!) because if you run to the forums or elsewhere to complain about Vortex breaking your mod install, and you didn't make any backups of your save files or game states, knowing full well what we're telling you right here and right now, we're honestly not going to have much sympathy. We're going to want to know about whatever bug is causing this issue and will work our hardest to fix it ASAP, but I want you to be under no illusions that this is Alpha software, and we're treating it like Alpha software with the expectation for there to be unfound bugs that will need fixing.



Who is this for? Should I use Vortex?

Ask yourself whether being an early adopter is right for you at this time, or whether it makes more sense for you to wait until Vortex reaches a more polished Beta or full release state. Considering we're being fully open about the fact Vortex will have bugs and is not in a feature complete state, do you really want to be using the software in this state? Are you going to get upset if it does not function properly or creates issues that mean playing your game is not possible until Vortex is updated or until you fix things manually? If so, this is NOT the right time for you to be using Vortex as your mod manager.

Are you competent enough to know how to backup your save games and modding folders, and able to rectify any issues manually or in another mod manager if Vortex doesn't work properly for you? Do you want to help us by providing constructive feedback and bug reports without getting emotional and rude? Are you patient and able to wait for fixes and functionality to be developed? Then we'd love it if you could download Vortex and give it a thorough run through, and we're looking forward to hearing from you.



Does Vortex replace NMM/MO/my current mod manager?

Right now? No. We're not recommending anyone fully switch to Vortex from their current mod management tools. We think it will get there in the not too distant future, but it's not there yet.

Many users in our testing group and in the limited Alpha we did over the past couple of weeks have been able to switch over fully. We do recommend that you try and switch over, but that you backup and keep whatever current mod manager you're using (and your mod setups/savegames attached to them) so if something goes wrong with Vortex, you can easily and quickly switch back so it does not affect your gaming.

With all this in mind, we're not officially replacing NMM on the site at this time. We're keeping the "Install NMM" button in the top nav, and the only place you're going to be able to download Vortex is from our own Nexus Mods game page, which will also hopefully include extensions for Vortex moving forward.

This, in itself, should tell you how we're treating this release of Vortex. This isn't an all singing and tooting release of Vortex to the masses where we tell everyone it's the best thing since sliced bread and that everyone should switch. This is still us releasing quietly, telling you that we're happy with the direction it's heading but we know that it still needs more time in the oven.



What type of people are you looking for during the Alpha?

We really want people to try Vortex and we're really grateful for any help you can provide in bug reports and functionality feedback. What we're looking for right now are individuals who are competent in modding their games, who understand the risks of using this Alpha software and are willing to be patient with bugs and possible missing functionality to help us develop something really good.



How long is the Alpha going to last?

We're aware that NMM was in a permanent Beta state and this was not ideal for anyone. We want to avoid that with Vortex, but we cannot give you a timeline or roadmap at this time.

Our initial focus is going to be on fixing bugs in the Alpha and addressing any issues that it brings to light. We'll then work on a roadmap moving forward, establishing what goals we want to hit before we're confident with it reaching Beta.



Is there any documentation?

Right now documentation that is ready for public viewing is very limited, but we hope to rectify that over the coming months. In the meantime, popular YouTuber Gopher is working on some tutorial videos that will introduce Vortex to users and help guide you through the process of using the software. I'll update this news post when his Introduction video is ready, and you can get further updates by visiting his channel.



Does Vortex include an import tool from NMM or MO?

Vortex installs as a separate application on your computer. Any existing installations and setups you have of NMM and/or MO will not be affected by you installing and using Vortex. The only thing that will be affected is how NXM (download) links are handled on the site, e.g. what application starts and downloads files when you click the "Download with manager" button on the site.

Vortex includes an "Import from NMM" and "Import from MO" functionality that will attempt to copy your mod setup from those respective mod managers. This is non-destructive and will not impact your setups.

Please be patient during the process, it might take a little while for Vortex to read your current mod setups if they're particularly large.

Because of the (now) archaic way that NMM handles files in the data folder, we recommend disabling any mods you have installed in NMM (or switching to an empty profile, that will in turn clear up any files NMM has placed in your game data folder) if your import to Vortex is successful. This is because Vortex and NMM both try to keep track of which files they've installed, and using multiple modding tools for the same game at the same time makes that difficult. If you need to revert back to NMM, you can simply disable Vortex and reapply your NMM profile to return your setup to how it was before.

As always, please backup your current modding setups in case the worst happens. Ensure you create a safe copy of your mod installations somewhere else so that you can restore from this backup in case of a problem, and ensure you know how to restore these backups properly before you attempt to use Vortex.



How should I provide feedback?

Vortex contains a feedback and bug reporting system built in to the software, which can be access from the menu in the top-right corner. If you experience issues while using the software please report them using these methods, providing detailed information about what you were doing at the time the problem occured. This is the direct line to Tannin and the fastest way of getting any bugs spotted and fixed.

If you post your bugs in the forums or elsewhere, without using the bug reporting tools in Vortex, it's honestly not helpful to us. Feel free to discuss any bugs elsewhere, but at least ensure you give us a proper bug report from within Vortex first (if you can!).



A note on feedback

Please keep in mind that, currently, Tannin is the only developer working on Vortex and as such, we need to manage his time carefully. To us, it's more prudent that he spends the vast majority of his time actually working on Vortex to improve it, because every hour he spends responding to user feedback is an hour he hasn't spent working on Vortex itself. So while it's my hope we can respond to as much as possible, please be aware it's unlikely we're going to be able to respond to all feedback. We will read it all, however.

A common thing we're hearing at the moment between the Vortex release and the release of our new site redesign is this concept of "you don't listen to us". I want to take this time to nip this silly notion in the bud right now.

There is a big difference between not listening to what some of our users are saying and not acting on what some of our users are saying/asking for/outright rudely demanding. I guarantee you, we read all the feedback we receive on Vortex and on the site, but not acting on that feedback does not mean we do not listen.

We might not act or change something that you or multiple users request for a number of different reasons and you should not expect to always get your way. We need to cater for a user base of over 14 million users, some of whom may completely disagree with what you're saying or have completely different wants and needs to your own. Yes, we want to try and cater for all users, but sometimes that simply isn't feasible or possible.

If we agree changes need to be made, or even contemplate them, then you need to be aware that our to-do list is years long, and acting on your feedback might not be placed right at the top of the pile (nor is it just going to be dumped at the bottom). This, once again, does not mean we "do not listen" or that your feedback is not valued. Thank you for your understanding.


Is Vortex open source? Where can I get the source code?

We plan to release the source code to Vortex as soon as possible. You will see the repos show up on GitHub, step-by-step, probably over a day or two. I shall update this news post and we shall post in the Vortex Code Development forums when they're ready.



I've read all of this and I'm sure I'd like to use and help test Vortex. Where can I get it?

Vortex can be found via the "Nexus Mods" game page where we've setup a special mod page just for Vortex.

333 comments

  1. Thandal
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    Ahhh... I see the problem. Darklocq thinks of the Nexus as a "business", and therefore the members should be treated as "customers".

    Many (most? the vast majority?) of us think it is a community of like-minded fans of computer games and mods who come over to Dark0ne's place to hang out with friends, share our toys, (and stories) and generally have a good time.
    1. Dfart
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      It has ToS and employs staff. That means it's a business. People can purchase stuff (premium), so they're customers.
      I get whar you're saying, but by definiton, those terms are definitely correct. Just want to put that out there.
    2. Darklocq
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      That, and it's a false dichotomy anyway. Even the earliest online communities – e.g., the WELL, MindVox, Illuminati Online, and later (like around 2000) Tribe, DeviantArt, the original MySpace, etc. – were/are all online communities and also businesses, and they've all understood the difference between "my personal opinion and tone" postings and official messaging tone, in different posts by the same persons. Ironically, about 99% of of the Nexus posting I was slightly critical of IS written in business tone; it just veered oddly into informal venting in one place. So all the defensive "I hate businessy writing" responses above are technically far more critical of the message, without realizing it, than I ever was. >;-)

      The idea that I'm only thinking in terms of "business" and not understanding "community" is a silly and very mistaken attempt at magical mind-reading. Coincidentally, only a few minutes ago I sent a request to Nexus's admins that they change the mod posting/management system to not permit mod uploaders to disable both the Posts and the Forum features at the the same time on any mod, since it interferes with the ability of the community to act as a community (in posting compatibility observations and so on, to help other users). I'm the furthest thing from non-community-minded, and have been involved in online community building since the late 1980s on BBS systems, FidoNet, UseNet, and (since 1992 or so) the Web, i.e. before the majority of you were even born, I would wager. I'm part of THIS community too (e.g., I've done more mod testing and workaround debugging for OpenMW than anyone else on the planet), yet I'm having rocks thrown at me like an interloper, all because of "you do not think exactly as I do, therefore you are an enemy" cliqueish nonsense.

      The implicit assumption that "is critical of being talked down to like a naughty 12-year-old facing a grumpy parent" equates to "not community-minded" is absurd. There's simply no relationship between the concepts at all. All that's going on here are two different sets of expectations about organizational communication. Having one expectation versus the other doesn't make this any less of a "place to hang out with friends, share our toys, (and stories) and generally have a good time", but demonizing someone as "un-community" just because you disagree with them about something trivial sure does.
  2. Darklocq
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    You need someone to do a public-relations review on this material before you publish it. Text like the following reads like it was written by a surly teenager, and is really off-putting (I say that as someone who's actually paid to Supporter level so far, by the way): "There is a big difference between not listening to what some of our users are saying and not acting on what some of our users are saying/asking for/outright rudely demanding. I guarantee you, we read all the feedback we receive on Vortex and on the site, but not acting on that feedback does not mean we do not listen." It doesn't even send a clear message, and actually reinforces the "not listening" viewpoint!

    What this should have said was something like "We read all the feedback we receive on Vortex and on the site. We are not able to act on or respond to every request or observation, but we do receive and consider it all. In prioritizing our work, we have to balance a number of factors including aggregate user preferences and demand level, clarity and validity of problem reports, issue severity and urgency, practicality of feature requests, and the project's actual goals."

    I see similar messaging problems in other official posts here.
    1. Vanguarde2017
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      It's because they are not professionals.
    2. Dark0ne
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      In response to post #58857216. #58922306 is also a reply to the same post.


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      I hate corporate and PR speak. I much prefer being down to earth and myself rather than having to place what I write and say through the "PR bulls*** machine". If that puts some people off then I'm OK with that.
    3. Augusta Calidia
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      @Dark0ne. Thank you for your always refreshing candor. I much prefer it to indigestible PR claptrap. Your candor has a clarity that's totally lacking in the muddy morass of PR Speak.
    4. Darklocq
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      Nothing in what I suggested as an alternative approach is "PR speak", its just not directly insulting to one's userbase.
    5. Dark0ne
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      I disagree that your version is any better. I understand that anyone can be insulted for any reason. I also understand that just because someone is offended, it doesn't mean they're right.

      How I write and get my point across is unlikely to change.
    6. Gigist
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      Not trying to be a fanboy but I have to side strongly with Dark0ne here. Darklocq, your "should have said" example is just the kind of vague and hyper polite junk that like 95% of the people hate. Speaking like that reinforces the idea that nobody really gives a damn about what's asked or said. "We're considering everything and balancing things from every angle and aspect and have to weight clarity and validity and and blabbla" helpdesk/support autoresponses 101. Nobody believes stuff like that. It's just over the top politically correct.

      I also don't get your hostility towards the original quote. To me it tells clearly the message and I really can't understand how it's insulting! It literally reads that they read feedback but not responding doesn't mean they don't listen to it. That's a very reasonable position.
    7. Darklocq
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      There's nothing "hyper-polite" about it, it's just matter-of-fact, without referring to user feature requests as rude demands, or acting all put-upon and stand-offish. I'm also not buying the "they're not professionals" bit. This site makes money (they have some of mine, after all and probably some of yours, and are doing well enough to survive the long tide of mod site deaths), so it's a business, which makes it professional. There's no reason the output of this business should read like it was written by temperamental kids even if many of the target audience are in that demographic. I'm just suggesting this software and online services business act like any other such business. Professional tone is something even serious free software projects adopt, so it has nothing to do with profitability anyway. I'm not going to go round and round with rest of you about this. I've expressed an opinion and given clear rationales for it, based on industry experience. You're all leaping to defend your buddy with "I like it" reasoning. So, whatever. It's starting to feel like arguing science versus religion, or economic analysis versus blind patriotism, and I have better things to do.
    8. Ethreon
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      You've already been given an answer that is more than enough for what you asked. Your continuous push of this corporate blabbery with no real value is weird.
    9. Darklocq
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      Not "pushing" anything. I've advanced no demand, nor suggested anything beyond my original suggestion, I'm simply responding to defensive handwaving with a clear rationale. Just because I don't agree with you or run away crying when you don't agree with me doesn't make me wrong or misbehaving.
    10. Tannin42
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      Where is it written that a candid statement is "unprofessional"? Who defines that?
      Dark0ne writes articles in a tone that the majority of the community seems to appreciate, as the responses you got indicate.
      "You need PR personnel to be professional" sounds like something a PR person would say to justify their job, I would argue that "professional" means "acting appropriately for your position" and in a customer-facing position like this, the customer-base should be the judge of what they feel appropriate.

      Besides, re
      > without referring to user feature requests as rude demands

      Dark0ne did no such thing. He said (rephrased) "us not acting on rude demands doesn't mean we don't listen to feedback". He did not at all equate user requests in general to rude demands.
      And if you think we don't get some objectively rude demands I can just reply with a tired "ha"...
    11. Darklocq
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      Every public-facing project in the world is subject to demands from the public that come across as rude. A handful of defenders of their buddy are not the majority of the user community (hundreds of thousands? millions?); don't presume to speak for everyone. Speaking of assumptions, I'm a systems and network admin, not a PR person. I'm not sure why you and a few other people here refuse to accept the difference between writing with clarity and calm versus writing in actual PR style, which is smarmy and manipulative. The former is more effective in this kind of context than emotive disgruntlement, in business and technical communication, especially when it's public-facing material. I agree with you that actual PR-speak would be worse that either. Finally, of course I know that EVERY SINGLE user request is not being equated to a rude demand; I never suggested such a thing. The problem with the messaging is it sends a signal that any particular request may be taken as yet another a rude demand, by someone stressed out enough that they don't keep their irritation at this jerk or that one out of their more formal writing. If you're still not understanding this, I really don't know what to tell you. It's weird as hell to me that half a dozen people are losing their s**t over nothing more than a suggestion to use a more businesslike tone in announcements, a suggestion that's free to be ignored.
    12. Dark0ne
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      Yes, I've already said I disagree with your opinion and will be "ignoring" the suggestion. I really don't see why there's a need to continue this.
    13. calscks
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      i'd rather have people in the company to directly respond to one matter in their own honesty instead of passing through a "PR" mask.

      the way you've constructed your "arguments" is showing a rather condescending tone and behaving in a superior manner. your sentences are created in a way you indirectly telling people that your "science and economic analysis" are a one-step-ahead of this site owner's and developers' "religion and blind patriotism" then went like "oopsie! i have better things to do."

      when ethereon mentioned about your "pushy" demeanour , you quickly shut that down, yet you then continued with that both Dark0ne and Tannin "refuse to accept or understand" your arguments and suggestions, when the owner has already discarded your opinion.

      a man wearing a tuxedo sure looks professional, but can be a serial killer behind the scene. i would rather acknowledge the fact he's a serial killer than be obscured and deceived by his looks of professionalism.
    14. VaporWatch
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      Ok, in the unlikely event my statement will make any difference, here goes.

      @Darklocq, First things first, please understand this is not an attack. This is simply my opinion. I am not suggesting I speak for anyone else and certainly not for Dark0ne (who, as history has proven, is perfectly capable of fighting his own battles)
      I have to say your approach to your "advice" has the distinct whiff of entitlement. You say you've "advanced no demand", yet your first sentence begins with "You need". Under the definition of "need", your statement was begun with a demand, then followed through with another demand when you unilaterally made the decision "What this should have said". For all your care in rewording a statement you have no stake in, you failed to follow the same formulae for your own statements. In the end, what you have said in your original post, regardless of the fact it was stated as fact, is your opinion and yours alone. It is also the epitome of the original topic regarding feedback. I'm not sure if you understand exactly how rudely your own statement could be interpreted by the recipients, but it is a perfect example of "what some of our users are outright rudely demanding". By initially demanding the owner of this site hire a person to do a public-relations review on material before release, then further demanding your statement is how it should have been, you essentially told Dark0ne the time and effort he put into writing his message was irrelevant (and believe me, as a business owner I know how much effort it takes and how statements like these are nitpicked and rewritten).

      Now, in regards to the statement in question, while there are certainly thousands, if not millions, of ways to write it and get the point across without offending and alienating certain segments of the people who will read it, I can completely understand why a business owner might write it precisely how it was written. Once again pointing to my own experiences in owning and running a business, it is utterly absurd how often demands are made regarding how I run my business. There is a rather strange sentiment held by some that, due to their own investment in my business (ie, they buy my product) they now have the rights to demand I change some aspect of it. While I suspect Dark0ne fully appreciates each and every person who has paid to be a supporter of his business, I also suspect he is likely very tired of people making demands upon his business (especially considering the likelihood ad revenue is far more lucrative than paid supporters). Once again, this is my personal opinion on the matter, but I believe the way his statement is written is done so specifically to inform those people who irrationally make demands upon his business that HE is the owner of HIS business and HE will do what HE feels is best for HIS business. The fact he didn't actually spell it out in that manner is likely testament to his own careful consideration of what he was saying.

      In the end, it is Dark0ne who has the most to lose in making a mistake. Every single decision I make regarding my business is a decision I make very carefully knowing whatever I say can (and likely will) impact my employees. While I don't know this for certain, I can be pretty confident in my statement that Dark0ne is no different in this regard. I feel it's probable he weighed the possibility of offending a certain segment of his customers against the possibility of getting some relief from the volume of people making demands on his business and found it to be an acceptable trade. I'm sure he feels the weight of his employee's (and his own) financial stability and makes his decisions accordingly.
    15. Darklocq
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      > I really don't see why there's a need to continue this.

      Me neither, but people are still venting about it. Whatever. I have better stuff to do. I'm hard pressed to think of a time I've encountered this much testiness firehosed at someone for simply making a tone and approach suggestion. People are reacting like I insulted your mother. Your own 'Yes, I've already said I disagree with your opinion and will be "ignoring" the suggestion' was entirely sufficient. Everyone has an opinion, and we're all free to ignore ones we disagree with. Endless finger-wagging for having dared to express an opinion is pretty silly.
    16. Vanguarde2017
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      There is always one like this in the crowd
    17. DarkDominion
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      @Darklocq :
      Me neither, but people are still venting about it. Whatever. I have better stuff to do. I'm hard pressed to think of a time I've encountered this much testiness firehosed at someone for simply making a tone and approach suggestion.
      It's always the people who stir up a shitstorm that call the : "I was simply making a tone and a suggestion" line. You were not and you know it ( we all know it, so... )
      People are reacting like I insulted your mother
      Don't tell people how to react to a stirred up shitstorm. Just don't stir one up, and people will react accordingly

      So, you had better stuff to do ?
      Bye then !
    18. MrKit
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      Many of us defend the original not because we are particularly defending our friend, which is not possible because we have never met the person involved, but because we get tired of people telling others what they SHOULD do, how they SHOULD speak and how they SHOULD NOT speak when handling their own business. Don't folks have the right to handle their communications with the public the way they want to rather than the way you think they SHOULD? Who says they SHOULD do it your way? You? For every you that thinks they SHOULD do it one way, there are many others that think they SHOULD do it some other way, as well as those who think the way they did it was appropriate for them. I am a professional writer and no doubt you'll decide that I SHOULD have written this differently or stayed out of this.

      I got the point from the original, and I'm not a fanboy. There are things about the Nexus I like, and things I don't like. I have written about both and I'm a paid member. Still, when I write, I don't tell them what they SHOULD do, as if my personal opinions are their marching orders. People do business the way they like, and, as long as it it legal, they get to do it that way.
    19. Darklocq
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      Why are people still talking about this a week later, when neither of the actual parties GaF? MrKit: You're fundamentally mistunderstanding the difference between "should" and "must", between a suggestion and a demand. The only reason this thread still has posts is because people it didn't concern are still posting about it and stirring the pot. DarkDominion: The only "shitstorm" in evidence is the one being created by drive-by dramamongers. I suggested a tone change (in business-related, not personal, statements). The party to whom it pertained read and rejected it. The end.

      Let it go. Move on. Get over it.
    20. chronomaestum
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      this is just funny at this point
    21. mcdanielskh
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      Yep, and VaporWatch nailed it, entitlement. I also smell the stench, makes me sick.
  3. Thandal
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    Guys;  This is the alpha release ANNOUNCEMENT topic.
    There's a whole set of dedicated Vortex forums, including "Feedback" and "Discussion" ones.
  4. Khumak
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    Overall I like Vortex so far. I have run into a few things I think could use some improvement though.

    1. There are a LOT of mods that have an incorrect directory structure so a feature like Mod Organizer's manual install where you can for example move everything out of the data directory so the mod manager doesn't install everything in /data/data would be very useful and would save having to install the mod, check the file structure to see that it's installed wrong, then uninstall the mod, unzip it, fix the directory structure, zip it back up, and then reinstall it again.
    2. If you move previously downloaded mods into Vortex's download directory, Vortex doesn't seem to be able to link those mods to Nexus for purposes of version tracking and upgrading. The only way I found to get it to work is to redownload the mod through Vortex again. It would be nice if there was some kind of manual linking feature where you could go to the nexus and find the mod and tell it to link to that mod, update version numbers, etc rather than having to redownload it. This also ties back into point number 1. If I had to manually download a mod to fix the directory structure I can no longer keep track of updates/versions etc in Vortex.
    3. Installing mods didn't work for me at all until I went to settings and disabled automatic deployment. It would say it was installing and it would just act like that process took forever. Even tiny mods would never finish. After disabling auto deployment installing and enabling work fine and deploying also works fine.
    4. The option to import from another mod manager worked for me (in my case MO2), but it seemed to install every mod that was in either the download or mod directory for MO rather than only the mods I actually had installed in any of my profiles. It would be nice if there was an option to pick only the mods installed in a certain profile (preferably in the same install order).
    5. The dependency checker for installed mods is really nice (better than the one in MO in my opinion) but I'd like to see an option when you're creating rules for conflicts where there is already an existing rule to either override that rule with whatever you pick or to accept whatever that other rule is instead of creating conflicting rules that create cycles.
    6. The Plugin section really needs an option to enable all plugins with 1 click. If I purge my mods and redeploy them, they're all disabled and it gets tiresome having to individually re-enable hundreds of mods each time.

    Looking forward to future updates
  5. netshaman
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    As a user of Vortex i'm wondering where Vortex is putting the donwloaded files when using the " downlad with mod manager" button on nexus ?
    Just because they are into the list of downloaded  mods but nowhere in the downloads folder  !
    So where are they downloaded ?
    Curiously files downloaded manually into the folder are just here and in the list .
    1. Tannin42
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      Downloads are put into the download directory for the game the dl is associated with. That's to say: If you download a mod for X-Rebirth from Nexusmods it gets downloaded to the download directory you configured for x-rebirth, no matter what game you're currently managing in Vortex.
  6. Thandal
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    Obviously Darklocq isn't/can't get over it, or wouldn't have added yet another post asking why people are still talking about it
     
    And the whole storm is exactly because of the "suggestion" (the "demand" actually, telling Dark0ne how the original post "should" have been phrased) for a "tone change".
     
    The comments would indicate that for a number of people, the current tone is just fine, thank you.
    1. Darklocq
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      Seriously? THREE WEEKS of people crapping themselves in public because someone had an opinion you don't share? Obsess much? I wonder if there's a way to unsubscribe from this thread so you can all continue to vent on and on about it until the end of time, without me being pinged for every rehash post. FFS. This is like dealing with a town full of rednecks who think you've insulted Jesus.
  7. instyne49
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    Where do we stand on Vortex versions, is a Beta release likely in the near future? I haven't paid any attention to this forum in several weeks, and am glad I missed last weeks melodrama. For the record Dark0ne, I've never misunderstood anything you post. I think I'm ready to give Vortex another shot, my first attempt was rather unglorious, but I'm starting a new play through and what the heck. Any news on progress would be welcome.
  8. Khumak
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    I haven't had time to try Vortex yet but I plan to try converting my heavily modded SE game from MO2 to Vortex soon to try it out. Alpha status doesn't scare me. One thing I do think it would be nice to see is some sort of list of features that are planned for the near future or currently being implemented. It might also be nice to see some sort of comparison chart showing the differences between NMM/MO/Vortex. For instance, when I upgrade Vortex will it ever force me to reinstall all of my mods from scratch like NMM did? That's a deal breaker for me and is the reason I switched from NMM to MO. It would be nice to have some sort of list to look through so I can see that ok all of the features I absolutely have to have are there but these other few nice to have features aren't quite there yet.
  9. DarkDominion
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    @Dark0ne, The tin says "Capped at 1Mb/s, go premium if you want faster dl", but it should say "cap at 900kB/s".

    Where NMM gave us non premium-plebs a solid 1Mb, we now get 10% less.
    Or are you granting us the 1Mb/s limit later on in development ?

    Thanks for your time
    -=DD=-
    1. Vanguarde2017
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      Why not purchase premium? I had it once and it is well worth it. Hardly anyone uses it it seems so I was getting 10 Mb/s download speeds at minimum
    2. DarkDominion
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      1) You don't have Premium now
      2) Hardly anyone uses it it seems : that's says something about Premium, right ?

      but in all seriousness : I just want my 1Mb/s
    3. Tannin42
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      There was no change to the cap for non-premium users afaik.
      Either the dl speed indicator in Vortex is inaccurate/calculates differently or it's actually causing a bit of a slowdown on the receiving end, though that would surprise me.
      Have you tried calculating the average download speed manually? (measure the time the dl takes then divide the size of the file by the number of seconds it took)
    4. DarkDominion
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      good tip Tannin42, will use that...
      More on this later ....
  10. n@meless-one
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    I really hope it won't take too much time to fill the gap between MO and Vortex, I'd really like to switch once and for all.
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