modern firearms 2.6 is out. they have patches for texture problems and bugs, now guns show up after lvl 15, modern sidearms and firearms were merged and armors are now in a different file (modern armors), also they use scripts to insert guns in leveled list. Do NOT use the damage patches from 2.5 with 2.6, they create bugs.
Another MF dev team member passing through. This looks damned interesting, I'll be testing it out over the weekend. Safe to assume it'll be incompatible with mods like Super Mutant Redux and Raider Overhaul though, correct? That might be a sticking point, since both of those are mainstays in my load order.
Also, just a heads-up: For some weird reason, the download link(s) on our official site have been going screwy for some people. IF that happens to you (it seems to be rare, but when it happens it's RALLY annoying), re-download via these two direct links:
Why did you guys create a minigun that uses .308? Ran into a pack of 3 wandering Supermutants escorting a settler for whatever reason. Killed one mutant from I'd say 40yds, and was instantly followed up with a quick BRRRT in which I explode in a hail of gun fire from the A-10's gun. Your team's work has revitalized my interest in FO4, and made the game very fun for how dangerous it is (even on survival with no dmg% mods). Paired w/ "Tactile Armor," the holster and armor pieces provide a decent amount of protection on survival.Thank you.
Too far in my save to utilize this mod, but I've been considering buying FO4VR. Would love to do a vanilla play through with MF and this mod. Currently using MF - firerates reduced or whatever it's called, but I'm guessing with this mod one would want MF's normal fire rate.
You should feel lucky it's not an A-10 BRRT because that'd be 6000 rounds a minute of HE 25mm. Granted, the recoil would send the super mutant flying but nonetheless, be glad it is a 25mm cannon. For the real answer, the real minigun uses 7.62x51 so that's why it's in the .308 caliber. MF has aimed for more realism. By no means does this balance the game. A minigun will wreck anything now, but life isn't fair. .50cal should kill just about any F04 thing in one hit and the mod accomplishes that even if there can be automatic .50cal's (and if you use Draco's health mods, the loading screen my get as much playtime as gameplay)
Sounds good. I use Better Locational Damage mostly and it has a similar approach to health balance.
A word to "realism". First, it's a game and it's not realistic of course (otherwise you should pause for some weeks every time you were hit as player). Anyway, the idea that a human should "die" after 4 or 5 rounds of 5.56 to the breast is ok but not really realistic. Because death in FO4 is more the equivalent to incapacitation in the real world and the latter depends on the "internal structures" hit (and psychological factors and blood loss of course). If all 5 bullets enter one lung and exit, there may be no fast incapacitation. But if a human is hit by only one 5.56 bullet in the breast and the heart is hit, relatively quick incapacitation is near guaranteed (after several seconds). If the CNS is hit, instant incapacitation may occur. Take in psychology, very important, and you have a chaotic situation. This should be simulated to a certain degree.
Of course, the more hits, the higher the chance of a hit in important places. So I'm generally ok with the approach, and frankly said there is by and large no other possible due to the limited game mechanics. I would however opt for more randomness, like in real world shootings. This is where criticals would shine. It's a terrible game design that in vanilla without drugs they only happen in VATS, and that you can "spare" them for deliberate use. The usual primitive game critical, a random chance of higher damage, were much better here. It simulates the one hit which hits critical structures.
Could a random critical chance out of VATS be introduced? Maybe a 10% base chance of critical damage, with the possiblilty to increase with perks? NPCs should also crit, of course.
Definitely. Hopefully damage values in 3.0 won’t be changed much otherwise that not only means I have to redo every NPCs health, it also means a new game must be started.
Hello, I've been using this mod since the first version and have to say that this really brings the MF weapons in to line with the vanilla weapon damage range and I actually find it a lot more fun as it's pretty much even ground as far as weapons are concerned. I've been looking for a mod like this for awhile with no real success till you made this one. Luckily I was just starting a new game and was still in the early stages so I could actually see and appreciate the changes early. This has earned a permanent spot with MF/MS on my load order. Thank you making, sharing and updating this great mod.
This mod is dangerous, and by that i mean it can really REALLY f*#@ the game even more than how f*#@ it is alread. Will keep an eye and see what others think. Interesting.
Pretty sure just putting down a hard save before installing will safeguard against any potential issues. Not that I'm advocating taking a sledgehammer to vanilla records while being gentle with them is one of the things taking up time in the re-writing of the mf plugin, but it's pretty easy to test safely as this is (I imagine) only an esp, so nothings gonna get overwritten.
Headshot damages were modified using in-game values. In fact every change was made by only modifying an already existing value. No scripts what so ever, so no need to worrry.
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Also, just a heads-up: For some weird reason, the download link(s) on our official site have been going screwy for some people. IF that happens to you (it seems to be rare, but when it happens it's RALLY annoying), re-download via these two direct links:
MF 2.5-1.4: http://www.mediafire.com/file/60atggsen2koh6s/Modern_Firearms_2.5-1.4.zip
MSidearms: http://www.mediafire.com/file/d3e1sw5wjna786v/Modern_Sidearms_9-23-2016_Archived.zip
Too far in my save to utilize this mod, but I've been considering buying FO4VR. Would love to do a vanilla play through with MF and this mod. Currently using MF - firerates reduced or whatever it's called, but I'm guessing with this mod one would want MF's normal fire rate.
A word to "realism". First, it's a game and it's not realistic of course (otherwise you should pause for some weeks every time you were hit as player). Anyway, the idea that a human should "die" after 4 or 5 rounds of 5.56 to the breast is ok but not really realistic. Because death in FO4 is more the equivalent to incapacitation in the real world and the latter depends on the "internal structures" hit (and psychological factors and blood loss of course). If all 5 bullets enter one lung and exit, there may be no fast incapacitation. But if a human is hit by only one 5.56 bullet in the breast and the heart is hit, relatively quick incapacitation is near guaranteed (after several seconds). If the CNS is hit, instant incapacitation may occur. Take in psychology, very important, and you have a chaotic situation. This should be simulated to a certain degree.
Of course, the more hits, the higher the chance of a hit in important places. So I'm generally ok with the approach, and frankly said there is by and large no other possible due to the limited game mechanics. I would however opt for more randomness, like in real world shootings. This is where criticals would shine. It's a terrible game design that in vanilla without drugs they only happen in VATS, and that you can "spare" them for deliberate use. The usual primitive game critical, a random chance of higher damage, were much better here. It simulates the one hit which hits critical structures.
Could a random critical chance out of VATS be introduced? Maybe a 10% base chance of critical damage, with the possiblilty to increase with perks? NPCs should also crit, of course.
Headshot damages were modified using in-game values. In fact every change was made by only modifying an already existing value. No scripts what so ever, so no need to worrry.