Nice mod, haven't kept current since about yr 2000. There are a lot of changes since my high school/college days (1965+) and a lot of new elements. Funny that my science teachers in HS said that we had probably found all the elements.
i hope you are still playing fo4/video games today, i love hearing that 60+ year olds are playing video games, i just hope that i am still able to play when i get to 70.
There is a small problem with the School Desk one. The game does not load the texture due to a typo in the file path (Chalckboard instead of Chalkboard).
Fallout effectively ended in 2077. It effectively diverged from our timeline sometime between 1950 and 1970 (depending upon how you view it).
This means that large parts of the cold war, the rise of China, and the supposed future events of Fallout differ from our own. Namely, the international community did not exist, and that the lack of resources meant creating excessively short lived atoms would be unreasonable. On top of this, international naming conventions would not have been possible. In short if the higher end elements could be synthesized there's no reason they'd agree with their current names (given the insane patriotism on display, they'd just as likely be Freedonium as anything else).
What then is the point of this mod? I get the nearly insane attention to detail (kudos by the way, I missed this), but you could have had fun with this. Heck, it'd be just as valid to think that they'd discover new stable isotopes of these elements given the substantial amount of ionizing radiation sources that are present.
To explain this, high number elements are made by smashing two isotopes together, and hoping that the resulting isotope is stable long enough to measure. It has been proposed that there may be more stable isotopes, that we cannot generate unless we were slamming together rare isotopes of the lighter elements. This means that huge amounts of refined and concentrated uranium could theoretically spawn isotopes of common elements which would then interact with the uranium to form a heavier element (given sufficient temperature and a high amount of atoms present. If the new heavy element was stable (we're talking milliseconds in some cases with the current elements) enough it could potentially last for years. Given the multiple decades of illegal dumping, and atomic power's ubiquity, I'd expect at least a few more elements.
Not from the scientific content, but from the apparently hostile attitude.
I discussed my own thoughts on the matter over on my mod and I mentioned that the periodic table that I used should maybe have been a 1950's one, but that the science has obviously deviated greatly from our own, so what would go in the gaps between 1950's and now is anyone's guess. The thing is that the more I time I spend as a mod creator, the more it irks me when people apparently feel the need to belittle other people's efforts. If I misread the post then I apologise.
Re-reading the later part of the post it is less hostile than I originally read it as, but the first line to me reads as: "I don't understand why you made this" or perhaps: "why you made it like this".
Agreed, it's an alternate timeline, so it's only natural many things are different from reality, including the periodic table. (like nuclear powered wrist computers, etc)
Sure, the first part of the post reads "I don't understand why you made this", but that's actually the point. There really was no reason to make this, other than the fact that the mod maker might be OCD enough to not be able to play a game without having the correct (in our world) Periodic Table, despite the fact that the lore goes against one like it existing in-game.
So either the mod creator is severely OCD, or they don't understand the lore of the game.
Either way, it's a mod that seems out of place and not needed.
And n01special explains this way more eloquently than I could, or would have the patience of doing.
Your "don't like it, don't download" comment, however, seems very knee-jerk in comparison. It's like you only read the very first line and then posted that response.
Kneejerk, perhaps, but I did read the whole thing and I stand by my comment that if you don't see the need for a mod, just don't download it. Other people may like it. I like it.
I remember when the recently named elements were first created and how interested I was by the whole process (I was studying chemistry at the time, but haven't had much to do with any of that in years, so didn't hear about the name changes until tomparis brought it up. So understanding that the elements in question were created through the high speed collision of particles, yada yada, particle accelerators, etc. etc. is not beyond me.
And realising that the world in FO4 is a different one both scientifically and geopolitically is not beyond me, but if you look at the lore - as in the periodic table in Far Harbor - the table is accurate enough for a little over a decade ago and would perhaps have not been totally up to date at the time of the war due to various reasons, thus it isn't unreasonable to surmise that science in terms of the elemental names would continue as is, despite the differences? According to Bethesda, who probably just didn't bother to even think about it?
Would adding science fiction names - nonsense names - make more sense? Has Bethesda anywhere stated what precisely the periodic table is supposed to have been at the moment the bombs dropped? In the Far Harbor one a few elements are missing, not given alternate names. Has lore been destroyed by this mod? I quite frankly don't think so. For anyone who wants to argue that at great length, forgive me for preferring to spend my time otherwise engaged.
I don't really want to get into arguments with name-callers, so unless someone wants to discuss lore or science or something intellectually interesting, I'm going somewhere else for a while.
I apologise Tomparis, for de-railing your discussion. I for one will be installing this - for science.
@Oddball_E8 "There really was no reason to make this..." - other than the fact that the mod author wanted to, you mean? Which is the only reason any mod author ever needs to make a mod, because they wanted to. That's it. That's all there is to it. There may be other reasons that go alongside that, but when it comes down to it, mod authors make mods because they want to. There needs to be no other justification for a mod's existence, and if you don't like the mod, that's fine - as frogprincessQ4 said, just don't download it. It really is a simple concept.
Throwing around complaints of "why did you bother to do this" helps no one - it's not constructive, it's not beneficial, it's just whining about something that literally doesn't affect you. You can pretend it doesn't exist. You don't have to download it or acknowledge it.
However, lilhasselhoffer's original comment was at least worded constructively IMO, which isn't usually the case with comments like this, so I wouldn't go so far as to say "why did you bother commenting this."
PS: The terms of service essentially state that if you have nothing constructive to say then don't bothering saying it and go about your day, i.e., don't be a dick. Check 'em out.
I did not think I'd have to explain why but yeah okay, whatever.
I made this updated Table not because it's more immersive (even if I personally think it is) or lore friendly, you're completely right about the timelines splitting from the 50's and naming convention could be different and so on. But that's not the point.
Bethesda put a table that is first, incorrect. The element that should be in box 114 has the number 113 and the systematic name of 112 (ununbium). That's one thing (stupid detail but whatever).
Second, why did Bethesda put a Periodic table that comes from 1998-2004 in a game published in 2015, because it was more lore friendly ? Yeah sure! If they had a table from the 50's or 70's okay, but 1998-2004 It's probably just because the person who did that what too lazy, typed periodic table in google and copied the first occurrence that came out. Without checking if this was accurate and up to date or not.
This annoys me in movies and tv shows when they show schools with those old periodic tables or the opposite in a story that supposed to happen in the 50's and that shows a very recent table. it just bugs me, and I'm not even a physicist.
In a game where the atom science plays a big part, I found this could be a thing to correct. And mostly, I just wanted to play with Gimp and voilà.
I dunno about the lack of international community. More like there were two communities, capitalists and communists. In China those elements might have different names, I suppose. Also, due to obviously very different physics laws (I'd say more simple and forgiving) it would be easier to discover new elements. Otherwise they wouldn't have everything powered by nuclear reactors.
Oh and by the way on the left of the periodic table the 3 elements painted on the side of the bookcase [Mo] [Th] [Er]: Mo should not be 99 but "the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything", but who am I to judge right? :-p
Let me be blunt. I've asked for understanding, because not everybody functions in the same way.
The mod author found it sufficiently annoying to have a periodic table circa 2004, but the end of Fallout's development (technologically, via nuclear bombing) was 2077. The inclusion of a periodic table that is accurate to 2016 data is...puzzling is the word I'd like to use. Don't get me wrong, the 2004 version actually included by Bethesda isn't logical in any sense.
I at no point was hostile, and I don't suggest the mod is useless. What I suggested is that the mod doesn't make sense in context, and I wondered what the motivation was. Help me to understand your logic, so that I can reasonably understand the intentions.
What I propose is that the split between our world and Fallout was sufficiently far back that "modern" periodic tables would not match. Heck, the 2004 version was 40ish years after the timelines split (and 40 years of development without electronics such as the transistor would make a lot of difference. My point was that the author could have taken the time to add something more in keeping with the Fallout universe to the table, or even added more elements. Instead we've got a naming convention from a separate universe that literally could not exist in Fallout. I wonder why the author didn't have some fun with this, given the effort involved.
Edit: Much obliged tomparis1999. While I don't believe it makes sense (Bethesda's inclusion of the table, mistakes, and general lack of control on lots of things), I can appreciate anyone crazy enough to fix it.
Thank you for doing so. While it might make no sense, it's infinitely more reasonable than the trash we were provided.
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Salutations, nice work.
Fallout effectively ended in 2077. It effectively diverged from our timeline sometime between 1950 and 1970 (depending upon how you view it).
This means that large parts of the cold war, the rise of China, and the supposed future events of Fallout differ from our own. Namely, the international community did not exist, and that the lack of resources meant creating excessively short lived atoms would be unreasonable. On top of this, international naming conventions would not have been possible. In short if the higher end elements could be synthesized there's no reason they'd agree with their current names (given the insane patriotism on display, they'd just as likely be Freedonium as anything else).
What then is the point of this mod? I get the nearly insane attention to detail (kudos by the way, I missed this), but you could have had fun with this. Heck, it'd be just as valid to think that they'd discover new stable isotopes of these elements given the substantial amount of ionizing radiation sources that are present.
To explain this, high number elements are made by smashing two isotopes together, and hoping that the resulting isotope is stable long enough to measure. It has been proposed that there may be more stable isotopes, that we cannot generate unless we were slamming together rare isotopes of the lighter elements. This means that huge amounts of refined and concentrated uranium could theoretically spawn isotopes of common elements which would then interact with the uranium to form a heavier element (given sufficient temperature and a high amount of atoms present. If the new heavy element was stable (we're talking milliseconds in some cases with the current elements) enough it could potentially last for years. Given the multiple decades of illegal dumping, and atomic power's ubiquity, I'd expect at least a few more elements.
I discussed my own thoughts on the matter over on my mod and I mentioned that the periodic table that I used should maybe have been a 1950's one, but that the science has obviously deviated greatly from our own, so what would go in the gaps between 1950's and now is anyone's guess.
The thing is that the more I time I spend as a mod creator, the more it irks me when people apparently feel the need to belittle other people's efforts. If I misread the post then I apologise.
There really was no reason to make this, other than the fact that the mod maker might be OCD enough to not be able to play a game without having the correct (in our world) Periodic Table, despite the fact that the lore goes against one like it existing in-game.
So either the mod creator is severely OCD, or they don't understand the lore of the game.
Either way, it's a mod that seems out of place and not needed.
And n01special explains this way more eloquently than I could, or would have the patience of doing.
Your "don't like it, don't download" comment, however, seems very knee-jerk in comparison. It's like you only read the very first line and then posted that response.
I remember when the recently named elements were first created and how interested I was by the whole process (I was studying chemistry at the time, but haven't had much to do with any of that in years, so didn't hear about the name changes until tomparis brought it up. So understanding that the elements in question were created through the high speed collision of particles, yada yada, particle accelerators, etc. etc. is not beyond me.
And realising that the world in FO4 is a different one both scientifically and geopolitically is not beyond me, but if you look at the lore - as in the periodic table in Far Harbor - the table is accurate enough for a little over a decade ago and would perhaps have not been totally up to date at the time of the war due to various reasons, thus it isn't unreasonable to surmise that science in terms of the elemental names would continue as is, despite the differences? According to Bethesda, who probably just didn't bother to even think about it?
Would adding science fiction names - nonsense names - make more sense? Has Bethesda anywhere stated what precisely the periodic table is supposed to have been at the moment the bombs dropped? In the Far Harbor one a few elements are missing, not given alternate names. Has lore been destroyed by this mod? I quite frankly don't think so. For anyone who wants to argue that at great length, forgive me for preferring to spend my time otherwise engaged.
I don't really want to get into arguments with name-callers, so unless someone wants to discuss lore or science or something intellectually interesting, I'm going somewhere else for a while.
I apologise Tomparis, for de-railing your discussion. I for one will be installing this - for science.
Throwing around complaints of "why did you bother to do this" helps no one - it's not constructive, it's not beneficial, it's just whining about something that literally doesn't affect you. You can pretend it doesn't exist. You don't have to download it or acknowledge it.
However, lilhasselhoffer's original comment was at least worded constructively IMO, which isn't usually the case with comments like this, so I wouldn't go so far as to say "why did you bother commenting this."
PS: The terms of service essentially state that if you have nothing constructive to say then don't bothering saying it and go about your day, i.e., don't be a dick. Check 'em out.
I made this updated Table not because it's more immersive (even if I personally think it is) or lore friendly, you're completely right about the timelines splitting from the 50's and naming convention could be different and so on. But that's not the point.
Bethesda put a table that is first, incorrect. The element that should be in box 114 has the number 113 and the systematic name of 112 (ununbium). That's one thing (stupid detail but whatever).
Second, why did Bethesda put a Periodic table that comes from 1998-2004 in a game published in 2015, because it was more lore friendly ? Yeah sure! If they had a table from the 50's or 70's okay, but 1998-2004
It's probably just because the person who did that what too lazy, typed periodic table in google and copied the first occurrence that came out. Without checking if this was accurate and up to date or not.
This annoys me in movies and tv shows when they show schools with those old periodic tables or the opposite in a story that supposed to happen in the 50's and that shows a very recent table. it just bugs me, and I'm not even a physicist.
In a game where the atom science plays a big part, I found this could be a thing to correct.
And mostly, I just wanted to play with Gimp and voilà.
I dunno about the lack of international community. More like there were two communities, capitalists and communists. In China those elements might have different names, I suppose.
Also, due to obviously very different physics laws (I'd say more simple and forgiving) it would be easier to discover new elements. Otherwise they wouldn't have everything powered by nuclear reactors.
Mo should not be 99 but "the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything", but who am I to judge right?
:-p
The mod author found it sufficiently annoying to have a periodic table circa 2004, but the end of Fallout's development (technologically, via nuclear bombing) was 2077. The inclusion of a periodic table that is accurate to 2016 data is...puzzling is the word I'd like to use. Don't get me wrong, the 2004 version actually included by Bethesda isn't logical in any sense.
I at no point was hostile, and I don't suggest the mod is useless. What I suggested is that the mod doesn't make sense in context, and I wondered what the motivation was. Help me to understand your logic, so that I can reasonably understand the intentions.
What I propose is that the split between our world and Fallout was sufficiently far back that "modern" periodic tables would not match. Heck, the 2004 version was 40ish years after the timelines split (and 40 years of development without electronics such as the transistor would make a lot of difference. My point was that the author could have taken the time to add something more in keeping with the Fallout universe to the table, or even added more elements. Instead we've got a naming convention from a separate universe that literally could not exist in Fallout. I wonder why the author didn't have some fun with this, given the effort involved.
Edit:
Much obliged tomparis1999. While I don't believe it makes sense (Bethesda's inclusion of the table, mistakes, and general lack of control on lots of things), I can appreciate anyone crazy enough to fix it.
Thank you for doing so. While it might make no sense, it's infinitely more reasonable than the trash we were provided.