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How much is 1cap converted to dollars?

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  1. Cetochtli
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    You can use the pre-war magazines prices to get an idea, fallout dollar was devalued by the war so it doesnt have so much adquisitive power, also have you considered to add other currencies or high-grade loot? Like i was thinking in nazi gold or even gold dinars from the islamic state as a reference to the war with the middle east of 2050

    I love your work and creativity, keep it up!
    1. futoshisan
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      surely.
      Taking Hubris comic as an example, comic magazines cost $ 35 per book, which is a bit high in terms of modern values.
      I'm Japanese, so I don't see real-time U.S. prices, but even Amazon.com's Marvel and Dark Horse comics are expensive, at most $ 10 to $ 20.
      Because Fallout is the future, you can simply think that the economy was growing or that war was causing inflation.
      Given the setting of wars around the world due to fuel depletion and frequent riots in the country, the economy in the United States just before GreatWar may have been worse than we might imagine.
      However, the Fallout economy after GreatWar is completely different from the PreWar economy.
      Therefore, the price index before the war should be considered separately from the postwar economy.


      What I'm making now is a simple mod that adds a new cash item. Prewar coins, prewar banknotes, NCR dollars, legion gold coins ...
      And what bothers me is how much worth prewar coins should be in caps.
      But prewar money, by the conclusion, is of little value in wastelands.
      US dollars are most often made of small chunks of relatively inexpensive metal or cloth or paper. The material value is only as small metal lump, cloth or piece of paper.
      The important thing is that the US dollar is worth it because the US government guarantees that "the face value can be exchanged for another value."
      As you know, when you look at the history of money, you can see that old money has secured its value because the money itself is scarce gold.
      Entering modern times, it has been replaced by "bank notes" and cheap metals. The only thing that guaranteed the value of money was the credit of the issuer.
      However, in the Fallout world, the US government is already gone. In short, dollars should only be worth a piece of cloth, paper, or metal.
      If there is a demand for gold even in the wasteland, a $ 1 gold coin or a $ 50 gold coin issued as a commemorative coin will be worth it. But otherwise it will be a junk item. The trader you buy will probably melt and use it as ammunition.
      What's strange, however, is that prewar banknotes can be exchanged for decent caps.
      Since it is a very thick wad, do you find value as a cloth or paper material?
      Do wasteland people plug holes in their clothes with prewar banknotes or use them as notepads? We can only imagine ...

      If there is a large nation as a backing, such as NCR dollars or legion coins, even if the money itself is a piece of paper or bad metal, it is well worth it.
      What I find unique is the "cap" that is the tradition of the Fallout series.
      Who on earth guarantees bottle cap value as currency? It is very strange.
      Many people have decided to use money that has no value other than the fact that it is difficult to forge and is reliable, so it's very unique to use it as money. It's like BitCoin.

      The story has derailed. Anyway, I still need to worry about what value pre-war coins will have....
    2. Cetochtli
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      If you convert the cap value of the magazines into pre-war dollars you would only have to do an operation like the following: $ 35.00 between the number of caps assigned as value, or you can also see the cap value of a pre-war dollar and only slightly increase its value since metal is worth more than paper, in the case of centenarians of gold and silver they should have the value of a high-tier loot since the material they are made of is worth and they must also have some type of historical value for the inhabitants of the commonwealth due to its supposed scarcity (since they are not completely illiterate and ignorant of the historical context)

      Also if I remember correctly the NCR dollars are also backed by gold, which means that gold is still the standard of value for some industrial societies after the nuclear holocaust, although the NCR dollars should not be worth much more than the old dollars since there is no hegemonic entity that imposes its own standard of value in the commonwealth and makes a centralized trade with the NCR

      Basically, this means that any pre-war currency can only be worth in proportion to the material of which it is made, plus the hypothetical value that people gives to it due to cultural ties and the supposed scarcity they have in this context.
    3. Cetochtli
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      if you are very strict with this you can run the risk of falling into paradoxes and dead ends, as maybe a coin is not worth a single cap and if it is reduced to its components by the player magically gain some value again, completely eliminating the notion that the npc of the commonwealth give some value to the past and the craftsmanship or manofactura of objects, turning them into purely mathematical entities that only value in amounts of raw resources
      in the end you will have to make some commitments and decide first what role you want that they have in the game economy, if they will be scrap metal or a parallel currency to the hegemonic concept of the caps and their supposed credit in drinking water, dont be afraid of being a bit arbitrary and remember that is a game so maybe if something fits better in the gameplay the lore issues can go second

      p.s: also dont go full 1 coin = 2 caps that will break the economy and is lazy lol
    4. futoshisan
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      Your views are very interesting.
      Well, even after the nuclear Holocaust, some people will know the value of gold.
      In ghouls who know the prewar world as you say, and in cultures that have revived modern civilizations like the NCR, prewar coins, especially those containing gold, are should be considered rare.
      ... Fallout4 seems to sell gold bars with weight 0.1 for 9caps. As for "Weight" in the game, "5lb Weight" of junkitem is 5 weight as it is, so it can be interpreted as 1weight = 1lb.
      I have never traded gold because I am poor like the commonwealth people. So I looked it up on Google.
      Apparently, as of 2020, the market price is $ 2,500 for 1.6 ounces (0.1 lb) of gold.
      In the Commonwealth of the 2280s, watermelon has 6 caps and Tato has 7 caps.
      Despite the nuclear collapse of the world, I don't think watermelon is worth more than $ 1000. In fact, Abernathy farm grows a lot of watermelons and tato, but they are not billionaires.
      Obviously the commonwealth people do not know the value of gold.
      In other words, Federal people see gold bars as a bit more valuable metal chunks than watermelons.
      "Gold ...? Oh, it seems to be used to repair machines. Laser gun circuits and so on ... you can buy them cheaply with Diamond Surplus."...They might say.
      After discussing with you, I have come to think that what I need for this mod is an economic system whose prices fluctuate depending on who buys it.
      Ghoul, who knows the prewar world, and caravan traders who have dealt with NCR and Legion, buy gold at high prices, and commonwealth merchants only buy gold at low prices (NCR dollars and legions Coins are working currency, so some stores can trade properly.)
      It's more immersive if you have a system like that. Well, I don't know how to achieve that...
      If it is too hard to implement such an economic system, I may not do it, but I will try it.
    5. Cetochtli
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      I appreciate that you take your time to respond, you're right, if you want this to be super immersive this would require a whole parallel system, which sounds quite complicated, I was thinking and I came up with the idea that maybe the best option is to use the prices and weights of the different types of ammunition, since that may give you the feeling of coins not being completely garbage and in addition many people use ammunition as a type of currency in their games, so the player can choose to increase their profits with a family of currencies of different values in exchange for space (weight) in your inventory