Donation Points system now live for mod authors on Nexus Mods

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Back in December I announced our intention to create and release a system that provided some modest rewards to mod authors on Nexus Mods.

It's taken us a bit longer to implement than we initially anticipated, but I am happy to announce that from today, any mod authors on Nexus Mods will be able to opt their files into our Donation Points system.

The premise of the Donation Points (DP) system is relatively simple on the surface. Each month Nexus Mods will donate a set amount of money into a central donation pool from which the total DP available that month will be calculated. At the end of each month, mod authors will receive DP based on how many unique downloads their mods received that month. How many DP your mod(s) receive will depend on a number of factors including how much money we have donated into the pool and how many unique downloads all the other opted-in files from other authors have received.

1,000 Donation Points will be worth $1 and mod authors will be able to choose from a number of ways to spend their DP, including receiving straight up Pay Pal donations, buying Premium Membership from Nexus Mods, donating their DP to a number of charities or sharing their DP with other users on the site that they like or have received help from. We hope to expand on what's available in our store over the coming months and years while promoting exactly how much has been donated to mod authors (in a general sense) and how much we've given to charities on their behalf.

You've probably got some questions about this system so we've setup a Frequently Asked Questions section that should hopefully answer all your questions in detail.

There is a 3 month delay before any payouts happen so we've still got plenty of time before the first Donation Points are handed out to mod authors who opt into the system. We've done the bulk of the work on this system, but it's still early days and we've got a little ways to go before it's fully complete. However, we'd really like to get the ball rolling and letting mod authors opt their files into this new system is the first milestone.

In the first couple of months the money we donate into the pool will be lower than what we hope to donate each month. This is because we know it will take time for word to get out and we'd like to give all mod authors a good opportunity to gain from this system, rather than chucking a load of money into a big explosive opening only for a limited number of authors to benefit from it. However, I've set aside a budget of $100,000 from Nexus Mod's own funds over the next 12 months to this system. Our gesture of thanks from Nexus Mods, and the users of Nexus Mods, to all the mod authors who use our site and share their work freely with the internet. Looking forward, we would also like to introduce a crowd funding mechanism that will allow users of the site to donate to the monthly pool and top up what Nexus Mods is already paying in each month.

Also of note, we've updated our permissions system on mod pages to include an area where you can specify whether you'd like others using your assets/mods to be able to receive Donation Points for their mods and whether you'd like to be contacted for permission first. If this is of interest to you, please update your "Permissions" on your files accordingly.

Because our Donation Points system makes extensive use of the "Unique Downloads" stats, we have had to make a tough choice and remove our "guest downloading" system entirely from the site. For those not aware, up until this point we allowed non-members and users who are not logged in to download files that were less than 2MB in size. Unfortunately, with the prevalence of proxies, VPNs and services like TOR it has become impossible to accurately track unique downloads from these users and it opens up an avenue for abuse in our Donation Point system. As such, we had to choose between those downloads not counting in our Donation Point system or removing the guest download system entirely. We felt not counting these downloads would significantly impact some of the smaller mods out there (of which very popular mods, like SkyUI, are a part) and thus, we've decided to make it so that you need to be logged in to Nexus Mods in order to download all files on the site now. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.

For more information on this system please read through our FAQ section. If you're a mod author and would like to opt-in one or more of your files, head on over to our opt-in page. You can access this page at any time from the "Mods" drop-down in the top-nav or in the bottom-nav of the site. And if you'd like to see what you can buy with your future DP then you can check out our store page.

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  1. RickLaviolette
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    I am in favor of such a donation program. However I personally would like to make annual donations once or twice per year. (I have an illness so I want the billing to end when I do.) Also the "like or dislike" system for mods is difficult for me. Not being a hacker, I seem to have trouble resolving mod conflicts or even understanding which conflicts are which. A no vote by me would be very unfair to any mod creator when it might simply be a fix unknown to me. I impulsively try mods without saving games correctly. A recommended, prepackaged and known compatible mod list would be a bible to wannabe mod users like me.

    Can I donate annually toward this fund and donate separately to individuals whose mods I have used the most?

    Here's what I want:$12 per month for an annual payment of $144/year. My most used, top 10 modder picks for a hit of $10 each annually. The Sum therefore would be $244 US annually. (Equivalent to approximately a $25 per month fee at an annual $250.)

    Or, I could just send you $12/per month and figure out the individual patrons. Later.

  2. steve40
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    In response to post #60519602. #60542232, #60553337, #60555852, #60573257, #60588362, #60659242 are all replies on the same post.


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    delete it or set it to hidden and release it as a new mod.. problem solved..
     


     
    That would constitute abusing the system, and as has already been pointed out clearly in this thread, would be dealt with accordingly by admin.
  3. bilago
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    I'm assuming this change isn't retroactive. My main mod has over 400,000 unique downloads, if only this existed then!
    1. NMC
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      If it was, I'd be planning my retirement :D
      I don't like the word 'prospective', smells of hard work...
    2. Kriemen
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      I absolutely love hard work. I can just sit and watch it for hours...
    3. NMC
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      Haha, I enjoyed that!

      But on a serious note, a concern of mine is the licensing for the photo reference I use in my texture mods- they typically indicate that they are only for use in non-profit, non-commercial personal projects. So I have a nagging concern that this may automatically preclude me from opting in, as this may breach those terms... although I'm not sure opting into this DP system and releasing work would or could ever be viewed as 'making a profit' or a 'commercial venture' as these are indirect voluntary donations, not direct payments... but that said, Nexus would provide payment in a way.... the more downloads, the greater the share, and some of it from their own funds....

      So I wouldn't want to just take a chance and hope for the best without a second opinion. Having no legal knowledge to speak of, it's a point of uncertainty that would be good to have cleared up and at least give me the option, as those t&c's can be worrisome to the uninitiated and uninformed like myself... I do suspect it depends on the person/website applying those original terms on how strictly they are upheld and applied though, and I doubt anyone would be hunted down over the price of a sandwich, ethical considerations aside for the moment.
    4. Kriemen
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      Writing this whilst waiting for the first coffee of the day to kick in. Hope it makes sense. For me, the main considerations are...

      Is opting into the DP system actually considered as commercial income? Is accepting a donation from a mod user considered as commercial income? To me they are quite similar. Except that some could consider the Nexus as being a commercial entity. If so, does that have any impact on things?

      If the answer to any of the above is yes, then does any of this contravene the original Game usage agreements? I'm sure the Nexus team and their legal people have looked into all of that. Personally, I feel that that the odd small donation or “cashing in” a few DPs here and there does not constitute a commercial quantity.

      These are permissions from a random mod.

      “Asset use permission in mods/files that are being sold You are not allowed to use assets from this file in any mods/files that are being sold, for money, on Steam Workshop or other platforms”

      “Asset use permission in mods/files that earn donation points You are allowed to earn Donation Points for your mods if they use my assets”

      I read this as “DO NOT sell my hard work”, but “Earning a few DPs” my my hard work is quite OK. I feel the same about my work. So, one can infer from this that the DP system is not considered as commercial income. Admittedly, the DP permission has been enabled by default. Perhaps it should have been set to an “undecided” state and mod authors encouraged to review their permissions. But, that's already been discussed and is being looked into.

      As for resource usage, that's another consideration. I'd encourage people to double check usage permissions for everything their mods use and also encourage fellow mod authors to review their own mod permissions. Keep in mind that some permissions may change as authors make a final decision. Permissions for my mods may do the same, depending on others resource permissions. (Managed to get the word permissions into this paragraph 6 times... )

      Do the same for any external resources. I've got quite a few resources from other sites that I need to check up on. My resource library is over 1.5GB and growing. So that's a lot of mods yet to be checked. Will authors from other sites agree to their work earning us DPs? Are we all worrying about nothing? Who knows?

      Personally, I'm rewarded enough just to see people enjoying my work, sharing their pics and giving feedback. It encourages me to try to become a better modder. Been modding since the early 80's and am still learning... (At least I don't have to do everything via a Hex Editor any more...) I've only opted in 2 mods that use vanilla resources. At this stage, I just don't feel right opting in any others. In the meantime, I'll just wait, watch and see how it all works out.
    5. NMC
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      You made some very good points, thanks for the new perspective and insight... and I too am likely to sit back and wait to see how things pan out all things considered. That's more pragmatism than pessimism, as I use too many external resources to take a risk. But the optimist in me would hope the following is true:
      *The 'Donation' itself could be seen solely as reward for the 'hard work' the modder themselves applied in making the mod, and NOT payment for the content of that mod.
      * So, the donation is simply an appreciation shown to the modder, who did not make it a mandatory financial agreement- ie., pay me or no mod.
      * The modder used those assets with the mod itself viewed and considered as a personal project.
      * And in making that mod, there was no certainty or expectation of gaining any financial return whatsoever, it was released as a personal project.
      But all that said, I'm not sure I want to volunteer to be the first canary down the mine and so I'll err on the side of caution for now. As you said, I also find reward in positive feedback and the sense of achievement and self development in itself, or I would have quit long ago.
      PS., I too was there in the 80's, tinkering with Z80 assembly language, and making homemade adventure games in Basic with a few graphics thrown in- (my first ever graphics!) It never really leaves you ;)
    6. Kriemen
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      I'm a bit like my cat. I too, tend to sit quietly and observe before pouncing. Hope it all works out well.

      "tinkering with Z80 assembly language"
      That would be an interesting topic for the forums, if it doesn't already exist. For me it was a TRS-80 running CP/M and extended color basic on a Zilog Z80 cpu or it could have been the Motorola 6809... We could only dream of doing what we do now... :)
    7. Ashes2Asherz
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      delete it or set it to hidden and release it as a new mod.. problem solved..
  4. Ashes2Asherz
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    Where's the page with the ladders to see who is earning points?
  5. Thandal
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    The unique downloads start counting for donation points as of now? does previous downloads before to this count too?

    "Yes" to the first question.
    "No" to the second.
  6. etayorius
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    The unique downloads start counting for donation points as of now? does previous downloads before to this count too?
  7. tonycubed2
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    Hi,

    I am ok with a three month wait. Or a 6 month wait. Not my complaint. What I really really dislike is being unable to see where I stand for a whole month. It takes the excitement away. Makes it boring.

    It makes it like a rebate check. You send it away and try not to think about it because you know it will take forever. By the way, this is not about the money either.

    So is there any way to track progress on the wallet page weekly instead? I would love daily. Simply for the excitement it would create. Would serve I believe as an incentive for modders even more than the payouts.

    Respectfully

    Tonycubed2
  8. steve40
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    In response to post #60519602. #60542232, #60553337 are all replies on the same post.


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    Haha, I enjoyed that!

    But on a serious note, a concern of mine is the licensing for the photo reference I use in my texture mods- they typically indicate that they are only for use in non-profit, non-commercial personal projects. So I have a nagging concern that this may automatically preclude me from opting in, as this may breach those terms... although I'm not sure opting into this DP system and releasing work would or could ever be viewed as 'making a profit' or a 'commercial venture' as these are indirect voluntary donations, not direct payments... but that said, Nexus would provide payment in a way.... the more downloads, the greater the share, and some of it from their own funds....

    So I wouldn't want to just take a chance and hope for the best without a second opinion. Having no legal knowledge to speak of, it's a point of uncertainty that would be good to have cleared up and at least give me the option, as those t&c's can be worrisome to the uninitiated and uninformed like myself... I do suspect it depends on the person/website applying those original terms on how strictly they are upheld and applied though, and I doubt anyone would be hunted down over the price of a sandwich, ethical considerations aside for the moment.
     


     
    It isn't publicly available who has opted-in or not. Out of sight, out of mind.
    1. Dark0ne
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      It will be soon. It's one of the things we're adding soon because, obviously, other mod authors and right holders need to be able to see whether a mod is breaking terms of any licenses they have, or not.
    2. NMC
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      That's pretty much what I would have expected, as it's clear that Nexus respects and protects the intellectual property of the modders here so this would naturally fit that ethos. I've personally benefitted from that protection more than once. Copyright and licencing are matters that I am sure the more informed members of Nexus will write tutorials and guides on, but I sincerely appreciate the sentiment of the project as it stands- as a tangible 'thank-you' to modders from Nexus, which is definitely reciprocated. The DP system is new and unique, so naturally there is a learning curve and things to iron out for everyone but I believe it's foundations are based on what modding is actually about and will strengthen the community ultimately. I and others do appreciate the work and consideration that went into all of this.

  9. JinKanzaki
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    I wonder how many of the people complaining here have spent more than 10 bucks on mod donations in the past 10 years...
    1. User_23213994
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      I don't donate and never will. Modding is a hobby and doesn't require money for compensation. Feedback is perfectly fine.
    2. FLipdeezy
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      Lol no offense but who made you the authority?
    3. User_23213994
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      Okay, I'm going outside to the beach and making a sand castle every day. Why? because I like doing it. it's a hobby. If you don't throw cash at me, you are an inconsiderate individual because you can't understand how much effort, hard work and hours I've put into it just so people can look at it.

      Pay me. Now.
    4. MPDStudios
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      Ikr
    5. FLipdeezy
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      That was incoherent and emotional
    6. User_23213994
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      Emotional? I fail to see how it was emotional. Incoherent? No, you fail to see the picture.
  10. steve40
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    I'm assuming this change isn't retroactive. My main mod has over 400,000 unique downloads, if only this existed then!


     
    It would have made little difference. DPs are awarded on the relative percentage of unique downloads for a given month, not on the absolute number. Going back in time, all games had a much higher number of active users, and mods got much higher unique downloads across the board, so your relative percentage (and share of DP) would not necessarily have been greater.
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