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  1. pangallosr
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    uh....... wow.... I knew Maven was a mean woman but wow. You hit her demeanor perfectly. Almost expected her to cuff Sibi, haul him by the ear back to the jail herself.
    Really enjoying this tale Jess.
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      Oh that's what I should've done! I should've had Maven slap him about a bit! Next time

  2. Bowsong
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    Eww! Maven Black-Briar! Such a loathsome, conniving character... can't stand that b*tch. And her worthless, sniveling son is laughable at best. Dropped as a baby? Well that explains a few things lol Great installment, images (title shot and bonus) and music too. next chapter please...
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      Thanks dear! Glad you enjoyed the chapter (even if it was about two such loathsome characters ).
  3. aok
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    Oh how I have missed your writing! You nailed Maven's personality in that conversation with the pathetic Sibbi. Loved it!
    So Sibbi think's he can off Rathe? Certainly not by his own hand, but maybe he could hire someone...But who could be up for such a task??
    Brilliant work tying this together with your previous "book" with the destruction of the Rose and dear Sister.
    This is fantastic!!!! Can't wait to see what happens.
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      Aw thanks hon. Glad you enjoyed it. Yeah, poor deluded SIBBI... I think he's got no hope really... then again...
  4. AmadanBezerk
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    LMAO!!
    That whiny, rich, spoiled little milquetoast playboy wanna-be tough-guy Sibbi wants to impress Mommy-Dearest by wasting the Listener, right after he heard Mommy say something about getting Rathe to "fall from the Night Mother's grace and protection".

    SO: more than likely he'd be simply the latest of a bunch of people bolloxing his very own Mom's plans....Oh yeah....THAT ought to really "impress" her all right.
    What a dumb-@ss!

    Maven's disgust at her useless excuse of a son is VERY well-justified....She may be a ruthless, evil woman, but she's definitely NOT stupid like her little prison-boy whelp is.

    I liked how you created a "near-future" Tamriel with some interesting politics behind it all, and how those politics just cut a common, power-mad, control-freak gangster like Maven Blackbriar out of the "halls of power", to her massive, purple-faced, choking apoplexy! ^^

    Endorsed.
    Many thanks and cheers, dear!

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      Bwah haw haw har!!!! Ah boy have I missed your colorful replies!!! You gave me a great laugh with that description of Sibbi - very on par too. And yes, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but somehow I wonder if Maven was manipulating him all along and saying just the right words to make him come to his own conclusion about 'offing' the Listener. Not that he could. Or can he?

      Many, many thanks for your comments and I'm glad you're back into Rathe's tale again!
  5. bison1967
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    Powerfully written chapter, a joy to read, Jess! A very intriguing future that you have created here! The imagery that goes with the story is equally as good! Brilliant work! <3
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      Thanks hon, glad you enjoyed it!!
  6. Rincevent69
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    Fantastic work Jess! and thank you for sharring your music...
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      Thanks dear!
  7. wolfgrimdark
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    Nice to see more about Maven and her family and how they get along - about as expected. I wonder if anyone in her family actually likes her? I suppose others will end up treating you the way you treat them.

    The politics you got into was a great idea and sounded very solid to me. Like that you picked a Redguard to represent the new government and how that all resolved. Peace in a way although in a very different approach than how Dannee did it. In some ways your approach may be more stable as it is held together by a joint effort (no matter how fragile) versus a fear of a single person.

    Clearly Maven is not pleased with recent events in both the Senate and Madam ZuZu. Interesting that for all Sibbi's hate towards her he still wants to impress and please her. But then from the game I never saw him as a very strong person. More of a loafer interested in his own pleasures.

    I personally suspect he has taken on more than he can handle with his desire to eliminate Rathe though. Enjoying your great plot lines and writing style - long enough to get good details across but succinct enough that it doesn't get in the way of the story itself.

    In this case it was the two bonus shots I enjoyed the most - they look great. The other shots did their job though - they properly showed what was going on in the story and added some nice visuals to the events taking place.
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      Thanks Jon. As I said to Nataly, it was sooo difficult, time consuming and quite agonising to come up with a 'future' for Tamriel post the Emperor's assassination. I needed a scenario that would satisfy logic, MY world (which is a bit gritty), and still be malleable enough for me to work within. Hence the Senate. Redguard just seemed the natural leader to me (I guess because I always found Kematu to be a charismatic sort and I could imagine him, or someone like him, pulling the lands together undersome kind of unified banner).

      Sibbi is an interesting one. He has all the hallmarks of being a bufoon and a failure, but by his very bloodlines he has ambition, greed and lust enough to make him dangerous. While I too suspect he hasn't thought too deeply about HOW he's going to take down someone as powerful as the Listener of the DB, simply by being a Black-Briar I wouldn't write him off yet.

      It was the 'unsaid' in this chapter that was most important. The third person who wasn't fleshed out, who wasn't introduced, who merely was implied, that was the real plot point here.... more to come about that soon....

      I too loved the bonus shots the most. Quin, when he does that creepy side-glance from out under his hood freaks me out in game, and Rathe... well, I can't post a Rathe chapter WITHOUT Broody in it can I?

      The Maven and Sibbi shots drove me UP THE WALL!!! They wouldn't behave, I couldn't make them followers to MAKE them behave, in the end it was a lot of patience, a lot of re-loading saves and a lot of swearing at my screen!!
    2. wolfgrimdark
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      I read your reply to Farvat on the politics and see what you did - a great choice and matches up with your non-skyrim plans for Rathe as well.

      I admit I don't know Sibbi very well .. or at all for that matter. I never dealt with him in the game. I think he has a quest? I found him despicable so never did his quest if he has one. So I could have easily misjudged him.

      Is the third person is the lady in the bedroom then? I was assuming she was meant as a prop to show Sibbi's personality with. Very interesting if she is the master manipulator here. Or maybe it was one of the other people mentioned in the story? Something to look forward to as I try to figure out where you might be headed ... never easy with your intricate plot lines. I think you may be a priestess of Mephala

      On Maven and Sibbi - did you try a place at me command with them and then AFT command to take them over (or another follower mod with that ability, not sure which, if any, follower mod you use)? That sometimes works a little easier. Can still have some glitches and really complex characters often get screwed up. Not something to save in a permanent game of course!
  8. Kamikazekossori
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    It is never a good thing when Maven is angry, when she is kept from having power she believes is rightfully hers, makes her scheme all the more than usual and many have met an unfortunate fate from her machinations. It was interesting to learn of the politics of Skyrim after the emperor's death, power shifting into different hands, the war ended when a common enemy for Skyrim was found, a semblance of peace returning to the lands, though the schemes in politics are never quite over. Sibbi should be careful what he says around his mother, barbed words could get him in quite the trouble, I don't think she thinks much of family ties unless she can gain power from them. I wonder what plan Maven has brewing in that ruthless mind of hers, can't be good for Rathe that he has her attention. The amount of intrigues only grows around the broody assassin it seems, fantastic work, Jess
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      Thanks dear! Glad you enjotyed this chapter. I found it difficult to write of a post-emperor assassination landscape but had to; this Book will be set in that world-space so it needed to be clear. Plus I got to royally piss Maven off by having her snubbed as a representative on the Senate.

      Sibbi and Maven seem cut from the same cloth; both dangerous with their tongues and lustful for power... but he should not underestimate the matriarch of the family. She got to where she is by being ruthless as well as with her wits... and you're right, I don't think blood-ties would necessarily stop her from sticking a knife in someone's back should the need arise.

      It all comes to one thing for Rathe; trouble.
  9. Farvat
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    I think that only a few can really appreciate the complexity of the plot, and also the construction of the political dimension after the death of the emperor. Needless to say, even in my narrative general, after the fall of the Senate is a republic, with a certain delay in order to settle the question of the various general rampant, eager to accomplish the same task performed by Titus mede I, ie occupy the capital and declare himself emperor.
    Having recently very interested in Riften I must admit that I really appreciate the story. I also thought that Sibbi is a very interesting although I chose to leave it completely in the shade and a little vague following the narrative of the game. Sibbi in my reading is a reflection of his father, that whoremonger, and definitely less clever in the affairs of his wife, but prone to vices and so on. Sibbi, on this path seems out of jail, having learned the lesson only in part, but also on the way to get in big trouble, trying to please his mother.
    Great job.
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      Thanks dear! Yes, it is a tough ask to try and imagine how the world would look after a fall of an empire. I cheated a lot and borrowed from Roman history (with the end of the Empire and the beginning of the Senate), but also just went with what would work for MY world. Who knows though, maybe a bastard child of Mede will be found and come to declare himself in time??

      I didn't know all that much about Sibbi before writing this but I can see in him the potential to be a threat if he can temper the madness he seems to allow to swallow him up at times. He's bumbling, ineffectual and feeble... but at the same time lustful, greedy and ambitious. A dangerous combination I think.

      Thanks for your comments my friend. I always appreciate them!
  10. Nataly1q2w3e4r5t
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    Awesome new chapter, wonderfully written! Great shots too, very expressive!
    I like your idea of Tamriel possible future after the death of the emperor. would be very sad to see all humans destroyed or turned into Thalmor slaves but of course Thalmor must have their own plans and I will never believe they will be content with Senate ting, especially since Alinor senator has ties with Elenwen. Maven Black-Briar, who had ties both with Thalmor and Dark Brotherhood is not happy either... given her grand plans of getting power. However her hands are tied with Rathe... it was interesting to hear her emotional outburst about whole Momma Zuzu situation, since seeing Maven losing her nerves like that is not something everyone could see often.

    And Sibbi... of all Maven's children Riften citizens considered him t be the worst and most instable one. He was tossed in jail for murder and also because, as it was told, Maven wanted to teach him a lesson... which he apparently took to heart but seemed to come up with wrong conclusion of how to return to her good graces. Sibbi seems to be overly emotional, given his crime that threw him in jail and reason of it and now he wants to dispose of Rathe... somehow I doubt Sibbi will prove to very fearsome enemy, but I guess we will have to wait and see...
    Thank you very much for sharing your awesome work and I will look forward for continuation!
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      Thanks Nat. You won't beleibve how long it took me to research and write the possible future for Tamriel. I ended up going with something a bit gritty (because it suits my world) but where I could also logically see the world going. After the fall of the Roman Empire they embraced a senate and it just seems to me to be where a populace would head in a time where there was no heir apparent and hostilities on every front (ie, the Thalmor and the civil war in Skyrim).

      Anyway, it suited my purpose (mainly as a way to royally piss off Maven )!

      Ah Sibbi. Yes, I needed a new villain who could fumble and stumble around and be seen as a fool and a failure, but at the same time, maybe capable enough of being a threat. I can certainly play enough with his character to make him into what I need.

      The real point of this chapter was to introduce the THIRD player in this little drama, the unseen listener who was so very interested in Maven and Sibbi's conversation....... more to come on THAT soon...