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  1. SphereOfRa
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    Does this also make you able to wear them with hats/helmets?
    1. VaultBoy113
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      Get armorsmith extended, that mod will let you wear them with helmets/hat
    2. CatTentacles
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      No. Get Armorsmith Extended for that.
    3. bfr2014
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      I made a armorsmith extended version: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/11868/?
      Credited lolcat for the idea ofcourse, I wanted it to be a compatibility patch, though only a replacement .esp was possible.
    4. Juice2k
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      don't get armorsmith extended it makes it so you can't load your saves past hour 5
  2. Zaayl
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    I know its a long dead argument, but this point needs to be made every time I see the "realism" argument about radiation and other sciencey stuff in fallout for anyone seeing it now:


    The Fallout series isn't based on real science. It doesn't pretend to be based on real science. Its based on 1950's comic book/television/radio play science. AKA "SCIENCE!"

    So stop taking it so seriously, because it doesn't even take itself seriously.

    Nice mod lolcat.
    1. keepsyou
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      yea, i just wish there weren't so many people arguing that it is realistic :/
      and yes, good mod.
  3. NexusC
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    Hey lolcat!
    If you're still active, could you add these bonuses to those Helmeted Cage armor and the other one too? Maybe add these to those raider "helmets" which looks like trashbags with filters too?
    That would be effing awesome!
    Anyways, great modding! Cheers :)
  4. TheMuffinoMan
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    Please place this in he god items section, or at least somewhere more fitting, this to me is considered heavily overpowered.

    It's a ridiculously common item that you can achieve within the first hour of the game if you go straight to the objectives, not to fond of this myself.

    But, don't let my opinion matter, do as you please, everything is in the eye of the beholder.
    1. CatTentacles
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      This isn't god item like at all. A gas mask in real life is just as effective as I've made this one.
    2. TheMuffinoMan
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      You are comparing a rusty, worn and broken gas mask, which doesn't even cover the users face, to what we currently have in the modern world, which tightly straps around your face so the only area of air intake is through the front, that is not the case for a fallout gas mask, hence the low amount of protection it provides. (it shouldn't really provide any, but whatever, that is going to far probably)

      That is only if you think logically about it though.
    3. CatTentacles
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      The only thing that matters is the filter and the straps. And the straps fit tightly on your Player Character's head. This is a totally "logical" mod, if you still maintain it isn't than you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how Gas Masks work. You could pick an old gas mask from Chernobyl or Pripyat and just replace the filter and it would work fine, it wouldn't be very healthy but it wont make you sick or kill you.
    4. TheMuffinoMan
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      A broken gas mask wouldn't protect you from atom radiation, changing the filter wont fix it.

      That is the last I'll say on it, since you probably wont come to any agreement with me since it would prove you wrong, replies to this will be ignored.

      Take care and good luck with your future modding.
    5. jnthn0584
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      lolcat12345678, you clearly don't know how radiation works. It isn't a gas in the air, it is an overall environmental pollution that can seep through stone and steel, so a bit of leather with a filter is useless. You would need a completely sealed bodysuit, such as the hazmat suit, to protect you from it. Just putting on a gas mask would do exactly nothing, as the radiation would still be seeping through the other 97% of your body.

      Radiation DOES NOT attack your lungs and you DO NOT have to breathe it in; it passes through your body like a fucking laser beam and rips your very atomic structure apart. Using a gas mask to protect against radiation is like expecting a pair of swimmers goggles to protect you while you go for a dip in lava.
    6. mancar48
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      Given the fact the gas mask is "meant" to protect your from rads this is not that over powered in the game. Is it realistic? NO, but nor is the game where i can shoot a deathclaw 20 times and it do nothing. This is a game and he/she only made it so that it is more inline with what feels promised. I think of this as perfect not over powered. Me and the modder agree but you do not. Should we change it just for you? Why? I say no. If you think of it as a god item then do so but the modder and i along with others feels that it is right where it should be. You can logic it otherwise but we aren't looking for logic so much as enjoyment. I feel like it is either power armor or drugs for rad-resit but those aren't always an option so i don't wanna feel fcuked over just cause. I wanna run around in my gas mask and have at least some protection. Not to mention yes a irl gas mask can protect against rads that are bounded to dusk or small particles that give off rads. Yes it wouldn't help against a uranium rod but the game doesn't discriminate against such forms of radiation only that your getting it. In the end blame bethesda games for not differentiating between how you get rads as opposed to everything will give rads and only rad resit matters because some dust with alpha or beta waves will stiff give radiation even if cloths can deflect it and gas mask filter out the dust. Where as rods or waste with gamma with most certainly irradiate you no matter what unless lead or something akin protects you.
    7. Philosophiac
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      Let's discuss radiation, shall we? Gas masks aren't ONLY for preventing the inhalation of gasses, but also the inhalation of many toxic chemicals which might be floating around in the air. Spores, airborne viruses, so on and so forth. They do this by being attached firmly to the head... some with hood and protective veils for the purpose of preventing exposure to caustic chemicals which might burn or irritate the skin... and forcing air inhaled by the wearer to pass through a filter. The smaller the size of the holes in the filter, the more protected the wearer will be from whatever might be in the air they're breathing

      A gas mask's protective value in Fallout is against radiation damage. To this end, the contained environment of a suit of power armor would offer only marginally better resistance to radioactive particles floating about in the air than a fully-hooded gas mask. A hoodless gas mask, on the other hand, would prevent the inhalation of radiation but not the exposure to radioactive particles which might come into physical contact with the body.

      Now, in terms of high-radiation zones where the background radiation is immense... itself entirely illogical in a realistic world but something we're to accept as a given in Fallout's universe... a gas mask without a hood would provide only minimal protection. But the game makes no distinction for the KINDS of radiation one is exposed to. It simply applies a flat resistance to whatever piece of equipment the player might be wearing.

      So what, then, is the proper number?
    8. CatTentacles
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      @TheMuffinoMan. I would have had no problem debating this with you. But since you're going to be smug, good riddance
    9. NoahEllam
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      don't listen to this fool, this should have been a part of the game to begin with... good job!
    10. Fruitbasher
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      @jnthn0584
      You are clearly the one that doesn't understand. Let me break it down for you.
      ''Radiation DOES NOT attack your lungs and you DO NOT have to breathe it in''
      It does if you breathe in radioactive dust, which is practically the only way your can get harmed by alpha radiation, which won't even pierce the skin and reach your vitals unless you literally breathe it in. So the gas mask protects you from most of the dangerous stuff.

      ''it passes through your body like a f***ing laser beam and rips your very atomic structure apart.''
      Only the gamma radiation does that, the alpah won't even go through a newspaper and the beta will be blocked by a thick winter jacket.

      ''Using a gas mask to protect against radiation is like expecting a pair of swimmers goggles to protect you while you go for a dip in lava.''
      You have no idea of what you are talking about.

      ''You would need a completely sealed bodysuit, such as the hazmat suit''
      A 3 pound hazmat suit would do jack s#*! against the gamma radiation. You would need something a lot denser to deal with that effectively power armor and all the other kinds of armor in the game would be infinitely more effective at protecting you against radiation then that paper thin hazmat suit. The only thing the hazmat suit does (would do, if it wasn't open because of the pip boy) is keep your air clean and protect against alpah radiation. The same thing a gas mask, boots, pants and hoodie would do.

      Realistically speaking the gas mask + any type of full body clothing + any kind of armor would provide better protection against radiation then the hazmat suit. Seeing as the hazmat suit is paper thing and weights only 3 pounds.

      @Philosophiac
      ''So what, then, is the proper number?''
      250 is fine, i would have put it 1/3 at the hazmat suit, i think that would have been a fair. Realistically speaking every armor item in game should add rad resistance based on its coverage/weight but that kinda takes away from the game. Maybe if they upscaled radiation while adding more rad resistance to everything primarely based on weight. So heavy robot armor would be best (not counting power armor) followed by heavy metal > combat > etc. Either way the rad res the mask has now is a joke, they could have put that kind of ras res on a gunner bandana and that would have been more realistic.
    11. adamkins
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      "Radiation DOES NOT attack your lungs and you DO NOT have to breathe it in; it passes through your body like a f***ing laser beam" This is wrong. Radiation will be attached to particles floating in the air and you will breathe it in. A gas mask would protect you, not completely, but very much in a post apocalyptic irradiated world. Youre thinking of a beam of radiation directed towards someone, yes that will pass through the body like a laser beam and a gas mask wouldnt protect you from that you're right. But in fallout it's an irradiated world with irradiated particles floating through the air which you will breathe in, it's not a world where radiation beams are constantly shooting at you.
  5. AzBoGaming93
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    Dont know what is the problem, maybe needs an update but since auto-matron i haven't had it working, re-installed, checked load order, tried both of the version files and yet it doesn't work still.

    PS. i dont use any mods to do with altering clothing.

    Is the mod dead?
     
    (edited because of spelling)
  6. Seattleite
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    I know its a long dead argument, but this point needs to be made every time I see the "realism" argument about radiation and other sciencey stuff in fallout for anyone seeing it now:


    The Fallout series isn't based on real science. It doesn't pretend to be based on real science. Its based on 1950's comic book/television/radio play science. AKA "SCIENCE!"

    So stop taking it so seriously, because it doesn't even take itself seriously.

    Nice mod lolcat.


     
    Also, the people arguing this mod is unrealistic are wrong.
  7. GhostlyComa
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    can you add helmeted caged armor?
  8. EchoZeroJ
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    Man why is everybody so worried about realism. This is just a game. Where a gas mask ingame is just one solution to protect ourselves against inhalation of chemicals. Ofcourse in real life this would be different. But i think this is a great mod as i don't like the radiation that much. Thanks!
  9. Seattleite
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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jnthn0584" data-cid="36424805" data-time="1460053081">
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    <div><i>In response to post <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='?showtopic=3986205&p=36411940'>#36411940</a>. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='?showtopic=3986205&p=36417665'>#36417665</a>, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='?showtopic=3986205&p=36418410'>#36418410</a>, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='?showtopic=3986205&p=36418605'>#36418605</a>, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='?showtopic=3986205&p=36418635'>#36418635</a> are all replies on the same post.</i>


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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><b>TheMuffinoMan wrote: </b> <i>Please place this in he god items section, or at least somewhere more fitting, this to me is considered heavily overpowered.

    It's a ridiculously common item that you can achieve within the first hour of the game if you go straight to the objectives, not to fond of this myself.

    But, don't let my opinion matter, do as you please, everything is in the eye of the beholder.</i></blockquote>
    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><b>lolcat12345678 wrote: </b> <i>This isn't god item like at all. A gas mask in real life is just as effective as I've made this one.</i></blockquote>
    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><b>TheMuffinoMan wrote: </b> <i>You are comparing a rusty, worn and broken gas mask, which doesn't even cover the users face, to what we currently have in the modern world, which tightly straps around your face so the only area of air intake is through the front, that is not the case for a fallout gas mask, hence the low amount of protection it provides. (it shouldn't really provide any, but whatever, that is going to far probably)

    That is only if you think logically about it though.</i></blockquote>
    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><b>lolcat12345678 wrote: </b> <i>The only thing that matters is the filter and the straps. And the straps fit tightly on your Player Character's head. This is a totally "logical" mod, if you still maintain it isn't than you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how Gas Masks work. You could pick an old gas mask from Chernobyl or Pripyat and just replace the filter and it would work fine, it wouldn't be very healthy but it wont make you sick or kill you.</i></blockquote>
    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><b>TheMuffinoMan wrote: </b> <i>A broken gas mask wouldn't protect you from atom radiation, changing the filter wont fix it.

    That is the last I'll say on it, since you probably wont come to any agreement with me since it would prove you wrong, replies to this will be ignored.

    Take care and good luck with your future modding.</i></blockquote>
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    lolcat12345678, you clearly don't know how radiation works. It isn't a gas in the air, it is an overall environmental pollution that can seep through stone and steel, so a bit of leather with a filter is useless. You would need a completely sealed bodysuit, such as the hazmat suit, to protect you from it. Just putting on a gas mask would do exactly nothing, as the radiation would still be seeping through the other 97% of your body.

    Radiation DOES NOT attack your lungs and you DO NOT have to breathe it in; it passes through your body like a f***ing laser beam and rips your very atomic structure apart. Using a gas mask to protect against radiation is like expecting a pair of swimmers goggles to protect you while you go for a dip in lava.
     
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    You are absolutely, 100% wrong. I just explained this one page ago, go read it. Radiation doesn't just hang around in the air, it goes zipping off to disperse at the speed of light, barely having any effect on you in the short-term. It isn't magic, it can't hang around, it's LIGHT. RADIATION IS A KIND OF LIGHT. Fallout isn't radiation, you insufferable simpleton. Fallout is PHYSICAL MATTER that EMITS radiation. And it doesn't kill you by just emitting radiation in your vicinity, that wouldn't cause significant damage. No, how it kills you is when you breathe in particulates containing unstable isotopes, allowing it to become incorporated into your body where it releases radiation in all directions from inside you, hitting you with 100% of it for extended periods. Even then, it doesn't emit enough to cause sickness most of the time.
     
    Allow me to explain the actual threat in greater detail. The three isotopes related most to nuclear fallout are strontium-90, caesium-137 and iodine-131. The latter is the only one that emits enough radiation to cause radiation sickness, and can be safely ignored in the wasteland.
     
    Iodine-131 is present in the largest quantities, and migrates to your thyroid where it causes thyroid cancer. It can cause radiation sickness when incorporated into your body, but not when around you. See, radiation flies off in a random direction, it doesn't magically target you and all fly directly at you, so the farther you are away from it, the less it affects you, following inverse square law. (Less than half, actually, as some will also be absorbed by the atmosphere.) So twice the distance, a quarter of the effect. Inside your body it will have rather a lot of effect, but it is completely without meaning outside the body. Even so, it is the ONLY one of these three that can cause radiation sickness, as it is the ONLY one of these three that emits enough harmful radiation to do so. And it does that because it has a half-life of about 8 days. 210 years is 76,704.6 days. That is so long that the half-life calculator I'm using returns a final amount of  0.0000e+0. Potassium-iodide tablets can render you almost completely immune to these particulates by preventing them from staying in your body, which is the basis for Rad-X, though Rad-X should realistically be 100% worthless as the iodine is already all gone. A gas mask would prevent it from being inhaled.
     
    Strontium-90 is the main concern. It's a bone-seeker, meaning it gets incorporated into your bones. It does not emit enough radiation to cause radiation sickness even when massive amounts are inside your body, due to its 28.8-year half-life translating to a very slow release of radiation. However, it is still more than enough to cause devastating bone tumors. (It can cause other kinds of cancer as well, mostly leukaemia, but mostly it causes bone cancer.) It also would be around centuries later, with a half-life like that. About 0.6% of the original amount would remain, but cancer rates (bone cancer especially) would be catastrophic... If it wasn't for the fact that being a physical particulate means it'll migrate with rain and wind into concentrated into pockets or bodies of water, meaning only certain areas will see any real effect from it, and most will be taken out to sea and sink to the bottom of the ocean to never harm anyone ever again. Still, it would be worth wearing a gas mask to prevent inhalation of strontium-90 and therefore minimize the amount consumed and your risk of cancer. (Though it could still end up on your food or in your water, and it can remain in smaller quantities on your clothes, so make sure to douse yourself in water before removing your mask, and preferably wash your clothes soon after.)
     
    Caesium-137 is the longest-lasting of the three and one of the more common ones. It is dangerous due to its quantity and long half-life of 30.17 years. It would still be present in about 0.8% of its original quantity after 210 years. However, it isn't a bone-seeker. It instead stays in soft tissue where it has a biological half-life of 70 days (meaning half of it will be excreted from the body in that time, as opposed to remaining inside the body for years the way Strontium-90 does). It can, in theory, cause radiation sickness as you can incorporate enough into your body, but the quantities required are nearly impossible this long after the bombs. The real risk is, once more, cancer. And once again, all this can be prevented by not breathing in airborne fallout particles, making the gas mask nearly 100% effective. You could also use prussian blue to push it out of your body faster, in about 30 days.
     
    The mask works against all fallout particles, and if anything it should be much more effective than portrayed in the mod. There also shouldn't be enough fallout particles after 210 years to cause you any harm to begin with, but that's beside the point.
     
    But hey, let's call for realism. Mr. Mod Author, if you're reading this, can we get a 1000-point version? 10,000, maybe?
  10. dexdawg
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    I don't want to be "that" guy, and I know it's a simple step to install the mod without downloading it straight to NMM, but do you think you could set up the "download through NMM" option?
    1. xwitchblade
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      Image goes PERFECTLY with the comment.
    2. CatTentacles
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      Done.
    3. dexdawg
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      Thank you!